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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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 Posted - 06/21/2005 : 21:25:10
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As predicted several months ago June has marked the month that the US invades Iran
"Normally, this would represent a good turn of events. But with everyone's heads rooted in the events of the past, many are missing out on the crime that is about to be repeated by the Bush administration in Iran - an illegal war of aggression, based on false premise, carried out with little regard to either the people of Iran or the United States."
Full article here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9199.htm |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 06/21/2005 : 22:00:20
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 06/21/2005 : 22:41:05
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 03:52:44
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KOK, stop causing trouble and start drinking the Kool Aid.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 06:58:33
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How can the US afford to keep spending so much on war?
China's just going to wait for them to spend themselves out and then become the world's superpower.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 07:04:58
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Or Canada.
Nah, you're right, that'll never happen.
What's a computer?
Eat Y'self Fitter! |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2005 : 08:27:11
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
How can the US afford to keep spending so much on war?
The Federal Reserve Bank has a printing press. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 08:58:44
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quote:
Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
How can the US afford to keep spending so much on war?
The Federal Reserve Bank has a printing press.
...and our Administration has a raging hard-on for all things WAR. This combination is not favorable. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 09:06:51
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You have to wonder if we're being toyed with when they tell us we're so severely in debt then somehow they keep spending money. Another way to keep us scared maybe? Keep us scared and we're more pliable.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 09:09:53
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Well you guys better not screw up your economy,
we're quite dependent on it here...
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 19:40:09
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KOK, stop causing trouble and start drinking the Kool Aid.
Maybe he doesn't like the Mountainberry flavor.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 20:08:18
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
How can the US afford to keep spending so much on war?
China's just going to wait for them to spend themselves out and then become the world's superpower.
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Don't believe the hype.
You're exactly right. It's already a done deal actually (see U.S. debt, biggest US retailer dependant on chinese suppliers, asian investment in US, overwhelming chinese population advantage and commensurate percentage of brilliant students/leaders/inventors who will dominate US).
The US, I mean Bush-led fascination with war seems to be a big money maker for their mega-corporation supporters in the short run at least.
All of the true things I am about to tell you are shameless lies |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 05:13:34
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 06/22/2005 : 08:27:11
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
How can the US afford to keep spending so much on war?
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The Federal Reserve Bank has a printing press.
That´s funny but I wish it wasn´t. The top US export is dollars, like we give you these stacks of paper and in return you get a fleet of destroyers in your bay ooh thanks. Tom Pynchon said the three American truths were ´shit, money and the Word.´
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 05:17:30
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
How can the US afford to keep spending so much on war?
The Federal Reserve Bank has a printing press.
I've never quite understood the economics behind this. Isn't printing more money what caused hyperinflation in Weimar Germany in the 30's?
What's a computer?
Eat Y'self Fitter! |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 05:32:10
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Same strategy, you send the economy down the crapper and people will support any war you want. Happy, well-fed well-adjusted people don´t tend to care about bombing marketplaces on the other side of the world.
Am I the first person to quote Herman Goering on the site? he said this at the Nuremburg carny:
“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship…Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 05:54:24
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Goering rulez!
(couldn't come with anything smarter, sorry)
Denis
I know the god of rock n roll / Yeah I sold him my soul! |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 06:02:17
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Not as good as your "Charlie Sheen rulez" email, but funny nonetheless.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 06:45:49
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 08:23:55
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
I've never quite understood the economics behind this. Isn't printing more money what caused hyperinflation in Weimar Germany in the 30's?
That's the way I understand it.
It's funny what's going on in the US now. I'm no economist, but it seems the US economy is being propped up by the bloated real estate market (which is being sustained by abnormally low interest rates). This has caused millions to go into horrendous debt. Americans save less than at any time in history and they're deeper in the red than ever. And what do you know, the personal bankruptcy laws were just rewritten to make it much more difficult and expensive to get debt relief-- these new laws go into effect October 17.
I'm not one who thinks people should shirk their debts, but it all sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 16:34:10
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| Bush just loves war, dos'nt he?! |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 19:20:33
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Even more than he loves a cold beer on a hot Christmas morning!
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 20:01:23
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| hey kok ... welcome back! I missed ya!!this news freaks me out more about the us...but you are right about the prognostication. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2005 : 21:43:05
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Note to self: Be sure to Look up "prognostication" so I'll know what the hell I'm right about.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 06/24/2005 : 05:42:48
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prognostication
n 1: a sign of something about to happen; "he looked for an omen before going into battle" [syn: omen, portent, presage, prognostic, prodigy] 2: a statement made about the future [syn: prediction, foretelling, forecasting] 3: knowledge of the future (usually said to be obtained from a divine source) [syn: prophecy, vaticination]
yep.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 06/24/2005 : 06:22:30
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sanctimonilicious
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 05:27:46
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Well now, half a year later, what do people feel about the situation in Iran? It's clear to me that someone citing that a country "needs to be wiped off the map" with such strong racist views has no business being allowed to manufacture nuclear weapons (maybe you believe that I have no place saying something like that, if so by all means tell me why), BUT should they also be deprived nuclear power? Thoughts on the process? How you would proceed?
 "If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 05:57:15
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I'm by no means aware of all the facts, but it would seem strange to let Iran manufacture nuclear weapons. Saying that, Ahmadinejad may just be being deliberately controversial to gain greater bargaining power with the UN in exchange for not developing nuclear power. (I doubt that)
There is a real dilemma here, between 'allowing' a sovereign state to do what it feels it need to do to protect and enhance it's citizens, and protecting other sovereign states from potential consequences of that action. That's a balance that was misjudged in Iraq.
Of course, if Israel takes pre-emptive action against Iran, then there may be even tougher decisions to be made.
That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 06:26:35
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The Project For New American Century (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) outlines a plan to "fight and decisively win several major theatre wars". This Iranian war is as much about nucular weapons as the Iraqi one was. It´s not a war for oil or land or weapons but for public perception, minds. Churchill said in a speech to Yale in 1953 (same year the CIA installed the Shah in Iran) that modern wars were for the "empire of the mind." In other words, they want everyone cheering along to the massacre and scrambling to place bigger walls and locks around themselves.
Here´s another way in which you warp people´s image of their world, place this advertisement in every metro station as is in Barcelona at moment. It reads “You want peace. We work for it.” It´s for the Spanish army, and they say Happy Holidays at the bottom, bless em.
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Buy your best friend flowers. Buy your lover a beer. Covet thy father. Covet thy neighbour's father. Honour thy lover's beer. Covet thy neighbour's father's wife's sister. Take her to bingo night. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 06:42:40
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Llamadance, I hear you, that's exactly how I feel about it. And while I'm aware this does play right into the hands of the Project, Newo (though I don't think they'd have had it happen quite yet, given their Iraq commitment still), and it makes me feel slimey inside, I don't think you'd dispute that the Iranian leader has said all the things he's said about Israel and now wants to develop a nuclear industry. I think that those two items justify some concern and scrutiny whatever political movements may support it. Perhaps I'm wrong though and you believe that was all fabricated, if so, do you have some reading for me that supports that?
I suppose I could get behind them having nuclear power if it were being run by some non-Iranian agency that took proper security precautions and did not allow them access to uranium. I see no reason Iran wouldn't allow that unless their motives were different than simply energy.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Fartbone
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USA
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 09:19:52
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ah, let em kill us already, this waiting game sucks.
Horale Cabrones |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 09:21:55
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You mean East Timor have nuclear weapons? ;)
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 22:19:19
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| mesopotamia.....say it five times real fast then say it some more. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 03:35:50
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And while I'm aware this does play right into the hands of the Project, Newo (though I don't think they'd have had it happen quite yet, given their Iraq commitment still), and it makes me feel slimey inside, I don't think you'd dispute that the Iranian leader has said all the things he's said about Israel and now wants to develop a nuclear industry. I think that those two items justify some concern and scrutiny whatever political movements may support it. Perhaps I'm wrong though and you believe that was all fabricated, if so, do you have some reading for me that supports that?
I´ll say first that just because I don´t trust the motives for the war doesn´t mean I support a nation upholding a nuclear policy.
Secondly, about Irans´ comments on Israel, I don´t pay heed to slanging matches between leaders because Iran vs. Israel or US vs. Iraq or whoever is an outmoded geopolitical landscape, may as well start talking about threat posed by Prussia while we wax handlebar moustaches. But mainstream media seems devoted to fixating peoples´ attention on it. If they start talking about Pepsi vs. Israel I might start pricking my ears.
Thirdly, the reason this war is unnecessary is we´ve seen in the past century intelligence agencies basically perfect the bloodless coup - a few years ago the Fujimori govt of Peru was deposed with the posting of a videotape, so the idea that in this day and age a massive land war is needed to topple a government is obsolete.
So if intelligence agencies know this, what are they not telling you? Modern warfare is not about hitting military targets but about pounding civilians into submission. If that sounds screwy to you, think about a clusterbomb, as close as you´ll get to an official declaration you don´t give a toss who you kill. World War II could have ended earlier if munitions houses in Germany were hit but they were the property of bankinghouses who funnelled funds through to both Allied and Axis (this is no conspiracy theory, foreign investment in Germany went up 300% when Hitler came to power). If you want something to read, do a search for "Strategic Bombing Survey", the project charged with keeping a velvet rope around militaryindustrial targets while civilian worker housing was pulverised. For example, Berlins´ Ford and Cocacola plants were left untouched while most of the city was razed. Then everyone celebrated the end of WWII while power centralisation stepped up with the UN, part of an old tactic whereby you cause havoc then when people have been brought to all they can stand, you step in and pose as the saviour with your preconceived solutions - we´ve been falling for it ever since Roman emperors used to have men set fire to wealthy landowners houses then have the firemen come by with a man offering to buy the property at a greatly reduced price and if the landowner sold, the firemen would put out the fire, if not they´d let it burn.
The above rant is to show that the nature of modern war is far from the surface manifestation. I quoted PNAC with heavy emphasis on the "theatre." One pattern independent journalists noticed in Iraq was that civilians were dying everywhere and both Bush and Saddam were saying civilian casualties were being kept to a minumum. When the two opposing forces start telling you the same lie it´s time to start investigating a possibly much more incestuous relationship, and that goes double for Iran.
p.s. I´m typing this in an internet cafe but I´ll look for some articles on my computer at home for you.
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Buy your best friend flowers. Buy your lover a beer. Covet thy father. Covet thy neighbour's father. Honour thy lover's beer. Covet thy neighbour's father's wife's sister. Take her to bingo night. |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 03:50:41
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This Article is in today's Irish Times as Chomsky is in Ireland at the moment. Smart guy. Dunno if any other comupter science dudes have studies his stuff.
Chomsky blames US for Iran crisis
Joe Humphreys
Iran would be "crazy" if it did not develop nuclear weapons, the controversial US academic Noam Chomsky told an audience in Dublin last night.
While he said "no sane person wants Iran to have nuclear weapons", the country would be mad not to develop them, given the manner in which it had been threatened by the United States and Israel, two nuclear powers - the latter of which Chomsky described as an "off-shoot" of America.
More than 1,000 people crammed into O'Reilly Hall on the UCD campus for last night's lecture. It was the first in a series of speaking engagements by the anti-war lobbyist during a visit to Ireland this week.
The 77-year-old, who took to the podium in his trademark spectacles and pullover, covered political territory ranging from Palestine to Latin America. Only once in the two-hour session did he stumble over the subject matter, temporarily mixing up the presidents of Egypt and Pakistan.
The linguistics professor opened the event by thanking the Department of Foreign Affairs for allowing him into the country despite having an out-of-date passport, as revealed by The Irish Times on Tuesday.
From there on in, however, there were few words of praise for any government, with Chomsky's ire turning in particular against the British and American administrations which had proved to be "among the most brazen liars in history".
He had little good to say about the media either, other than Al Jazeera, the "most important independent media" in Iraq.
The expulsion of the Arabic satellite network from the war-torn country had proven that "no media can be tolerated that are not under US control".
On the Iranian question, Chomsky said if the US was serious about stopping the spread of nuclear weapons it should "stop compelling" Iran to have them.
The US should also start taking the nuclear non-proliferation treaty seriously, he added, claiming that the Bush administration was currently the chief abuser of that pact.
There were no protests at the venue, and few signs of dissent from the audience.
A significant portion of the attendance gave Chomsky a standing ovation at the end of his address.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 05:46:20
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A friend of mine told me he was coming over recently, forgot about it, though.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 06:46:08
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He has some good points. It is true that the western world does treat IRAN like a child. You can't have this, you can't have that, etc. It like telling your neighbour he can't have knife when you own 20 rocket launchers.
Sanctions are'nt going to work either. All they do is hurt the civilans, making them more angry at the western world for punishing the common people of IRAN. You can't drive a country into the ground, try and impose regime change and then expect everything to go hunky dory.
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The war with Iran has begun
