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Kirk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 05/11/2005 : 19:26:48
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Okay, so I like to over-analyze things like a psychotic girlfriend. Especially when it comes to music, I do this...
So I have this rule, this law-of-nature, an idea that the first track on the album must be an appropriate introduction to the rest of the album. It's like the introductory music of a movie needs to have a similar, expected theme for the rest of the movie. Imagine Star Wars having a teenage-rock song playing while those words fly into outer space
Do you thing Frank has any weird first tracks?
01 Los Angeles - Frank Black
01 Whatever Happened To Pong? - Teenager Of The Year
01 The Marsist - The Cult Of Ray
01 All My Ghosts - Frank Black & The Catholics
01 Bad Harmony - Pistolero
01 Blast Off - Dog In The Sand
01 The Black Rider - Black Letter Days
01 Velvety - Devil's Workshop
01 Nadine - Show Me Your Tears
01 Sing For Joy - Honeycomb
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 rock over london, rock on chicago
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2005 : 19:43:03
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| Well, LA uses the cheap trick of starting off quite and then rocking out, so that's kind of an auspicious start to his solo career. And Pong is a quirky opener....as is The Marsist, with that weird, whacky feedback noise! All My Ghosts has that funny false start, too. Y'know, it's weird that Black Letter Days opens with The Black Rider, it was only when somebody posted a link that featured a video clip of him performing it that I discovered he did it. I love Tom Wait's version(I hav'nt heard FB's-some fan I am!!) |
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matto
= Cult of Ray =
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2005 : 19:51:29
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For me L.A. was the perfect intro to the rest of ... the future. I heard it over the telephone on a number the local newspaper had set up to preview new albums. It was the first minute I think, and it was like 6:30 in the morning, when I heard it before going in to high school (my last year!). Sniff! I actually think about all the 1st tracks and their importance. Unfortunately, I have associations for all the other ones, too.... (like when I 1st heard "Velvety", I was with a friend in L.A. and I said, "Wow this is so different! He's never done anything like this before!" and meaning it, without realizing it was a remake of a Pixies tune.... ugh stupidity...) and "The Marsist" I heard without knowing it while broke in France and thinking I couldn't afford to buy the album when it came out, my girlfriend sat me down and put on the stereo... and lo an behold, bless her heart... etc melodrama etc
"nie za volkot, volkot na vratot" |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2005 : 20:02:56
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| Ahhh. I'm just thinking, it would be pretty awful if your entire extended family were butchered by a maniac when you first heard on of his songs. That would be a bad association. Every time you put on an FB album to cheer yourself up, you'd get really bummed out. ;) |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 00:09:20
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Originally posted by matto
For me L.A. was the perfect intro to the rest of ... the future.
well put.
FB has definitely an ear for good openers. LA, pong/thalla, marsist, blast off....all perfect.
and it even dates back to the pixies: caribou, bone machine, debaser, ROCK MUSIC, TROMPE LE MONDE !!!! all perfect again, in every respect.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 00:49:39
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| Yeah, definetly. I love the way the drums start off with the symbols in the opening of Bone Machine, as if Dave Lovering was just jamming a little count in for the band and Albini just pressed record half way through! And the bass and the start of Debaser just sounds shivers down your spine.That must always gets a big crowd roar live!! |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 02:17:29
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| Pong and Velvety are the best openers for me. and Blast Off the weakest (too long) |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 10:00:03
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Usually, I think it's a bad idea to start with an unusually long song. I actually see "Blast Off" as an exception to this rule. I like the quiet openings of both that and "Los Angeles." Then there's the talking at the beginning of "The Marsist." So yeah, I'd say Frank is particularly good at first tracks.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 10:08:15
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Originally posted by Carl
Ahhh. I'm just thinking, it would be pretty awful if your entire extended family were butchered by a maniac when you first heard on of his songs. That would be a bad association. Every time you put on an FB album to cheer yourself up, you'd get really bummed out. ;)
i still think, despite the negative association, you'd still be really digging the song. in spite of yourself
I guess floop WAS right!
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 16:21:16
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Sing for Joy is now the last song on Honeycomb and Selkie Bride has become the opener, does that make a radical difference to the theory?
** I'll Be Blue, True Blue, Jaina Blue ** |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 22:13:14
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| Yeah, Los Angeles is a really weird first track. I guess it could go anywhere on the album, really. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 05/13/2005 : 01:13:16
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I think a long 1st song is a good idea and I absolutely love Blast Off. Let's see... Long 1st tracks:
- Bowie - Man Who Sold The World: Width Of A Circle
- Bowie - Station 2 Station: Station 2 Station
- Air - Moon Safari: La Femme d'Argent
- Massive Attack - Protection: Protection
OK I'm already running out of ideas and I make no point. But the thing is that I like long first tracks...
Denis
I know the god of rock n roll / Yeah I sold him my soul! |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 02:40:03
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Yeah me too, but I can't think of too many exemples either:
- He's simple, he's dumb, he's the pilot - Grandaddy
- The Concept - Teenage Fanclub
- Over the neptune/Mesh gear fox - Guided By Voices
But hey, I like short opening tracks probably just as much (Pong!) |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/13/2005 : 02:52:42
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| The Queen is the dead - The Smiths. A great long first track. |
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Devils Islander
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
101 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 08:21:24
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On the Orange album, Czar would get my vote over Los Angeles. It's intro has huge testicles, and totally blew me away upon my first hearing of it.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 05/13/2005 : 08:40:11
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Originally posted by Kirk
Okay, so I like to over-analyze things like a psychotic girlfriend. Especially when it comes to music, I do this...
I love the similes people use here. Like a psychotic girlfriend, excellent.
I also like the one in the orange juice thread: I love it more than Kevin bacon in Stir Of Echoes.
en el amor se esconden las respuestas |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/13/2005 : 10:29:43
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I think "Czar" would definitely have worked as an opening track. It also has somewhat of a build-up.
I can't really explain why I think a long first track is a bad idea, but it just seems to me like an album should open with a song that draws people in, but also makes them eager to hear the rest of the album. It seems to me like an overly long song draws too much attention to itself, rather than to the album in general.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 18:28:58
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| I don't agree that Czar would be a good opener. It is rocjy, but it dos'nt pack enough of a punch for me(despite the kind of 'Debaser-backwards' bass bit! ;)). Did'nt he used to finish live shows on Czar? Also, I'm not too keen on Blast Off either. I tend to skip it, it just drags a little, it dos'nt have a lot of momentum. |
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