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Zsolt G.
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 Posted - 04/25/2005 : 17:52:58
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On his recent visit to the forum Frank mentioned (after being asked) that of his records he cares in particular for DW (He didn't go as far as say it's his favorite, but he mentioned nothing else).
Not that it makes any difference, but I think it's a particulary weak record. It's definately got some strong songs, but it's unfocused and disjointed as an "album". I always thought it would be better if they combined it with SSMVD and weeded out some of the weaker cuts. This is all besides the point. Is there ANYBODY here who would chose DW as their favorite FB record? I think it's at the bottom of my list.
Of course the artist is probably the worst judge of their own work, and he might even be taking into consideration that they had great fun making the record or something like that. No big deal, just thought it would make an interesting topic. |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/25/2005 : 18:18:01
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| Devil's Workshop is my favorite Frank Black album. There. |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 04/25/2005 : 20:04:05
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| One of my two least favorite FB albums. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/25/2005 : 20:19:35
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my least fave too, i hate to say.
doesn't mean i don't like it. there are songs on it i love. but as an album, it's probably the one i play least |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 04/25/2005 : 20:30:07
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Originally posted by BLT
One of my two least favorite FB albums.
The other being Pistelero? |
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Jordo
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/25/2005 : 20:48:24
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Man.. I love Devil's Workshop. I feel its one of his most confident and fun sounding albums in a while. I don't think it fits in with Black Letter Days at ALL (which is pretty amazing) so I don't get when people say it should have been joined with it.
I think some of his best songwriting is on DW... Heloise, San Antonio Texas, Out of State, Fields of Marigold, Bartholomew are all among my favorite Frank Black songs! I even sort of (SORT OF) stole a line from Bartholomew for one of my own songs (shhh don't tell).
I think it's a unique little album, and also I think his voice sounds great on it... He sounds really youthful on this album, like Teenager of the Year youthful.. anyone else ever notice that?
Jordan
my music! my music!
www.jordancooperLaLaLa.com
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 04/25/2005 : 20:52:13
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I agree with floop. There are many lovable songs. But as an album, it doesn't really work. It's suprisingly lo-fi.
Unlike SMYT, it really doesn't benefit from its live to 2-track production. The songs aren't really that rootsy here, and I'd love to hear a version of "Out of State" or "His Kingly Cave" recorded a la Yellow Album.
One last thing. The piano solo in "San Antonio" really pisses me off. About the only bone I have to pick with any of EDF's work, but it's a major glitch. It sounds so timid.
I do like the fact that the album's so short. Reminds me of the Ramones. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 00:42:48
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by BLT
One of my two least favorite FB albums.
The other being Pistelero?
Obviously! (I mean, I'm not BLT but the answer seems pretty obvious)
DW isn't in my top 3 but some of his best songs ever are on it (SA Tx, His Kingly Cave & Fields Of Marigold). It's certainly not weak. A bit short though.
Denis
"His chops are too righteous. The helmets can't handle this level of rock 'n' roll. Karen, do something!" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 01:06:18
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one of his best songwriting
but I don't like the production
I'm a nick vincent-fan
 "I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 01:09:29
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| For me (sound-wise) it's the natural follow on to TOTY and is one of my favourites. |
Edited by - Scarla O on 04/26/2005 01:10:00 |
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 01:16:33
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I like DW a lot, but I think it's very different from the others, as Scarla says, it's in the sequence of TOTY, and I love Velvety, His Kingly Cave, Modern Age, Are You Headed My Way?
For me it's an album full of happiness, that's what I feel listening.
And the end is just perfect with Fields Of Marigold!
the world's still divided by tongues
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 01:25:38
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i'm probably not the only one but i listen to different cd's when i'm in different moods. for instance if i'm going for a long drive i like pistolero and black letter days. if i'm introducing someone to frank i go with teenager or orange album. but as far as listening at home and putting on headphones and drowning in the songwriting glory of the man i really like devil's and show me.
this post in no way discriminates against cult of ray, brown album, and dog in the sand. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 02:22:46
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| Did'nt Primus do the brown album? ;) |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 02:53:19
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| Yeah, DW is too patchy to be in my top 5 but I don't think it's a weak album since it has such wonderful songs as Velvety, San Antonio, Fields, etc... |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 03:11:29
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Appart from Velvety (so weak compared to the original) and the Scene, The album is perfect and very special. It makes it my favorite catholic Album...
kinda evil that one.
We are the Robots. Tuc tuc tuc tuc. |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 03:31:33
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Out Of State and San Antonio are two songs I play in heavy rotation, never a road trip goes by without these two.
I have better versions of Modern Age and Velvety floating around I prefer to listen too and the rest, well other than having the most addicitive intros (Kingly Cave, Heloise, The Scene,...) there just some more Catholic songs to add to the collection which includes far more superior songs i'd rather hear. And do.
 Eire, here I come! |
Edited by - fbc on 04/26/2005 03:32:03 |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 03:39:22
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| I hav'nt heard DW and I did'nt even know Modern Age was on it. I have that on the Kitchen Tapes thing. |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 03:44:21
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You know Velvety, right Carl? Pixies b-side. Now that's the version for me.
Eire, here I come! |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 04:17:46
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That's one of the best Pixies B-sides, in fact it's a favorite, there's just so many great songs to choose from!
It's funny, Devil's Workshop and Black Letter Days are the only two albums I hav'nt heard. I've seen DW at sale price before, for some reason I musta thought, "Oh, there's a few I don't have, I'll check that one out later!" So I'll have to to complete my collection soon. ;) |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 05:21:46
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You know this for sure, but you do have to hear them.
You're missing out on some of the best Catholic/Frank songs ever recorded to two track
Eire, here I come! |
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adda flea
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 14:41:51
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| DW is beyond amazing. I can't believe this thread even exists. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 15:36:24
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I wouldn't rank it as my favourite for sure, but nor would it be weakest. Probably closer to weak than strong though.
Favourites: TOTY, DITS, Orange, BLD
Middle: SMYT, Pistolero, DW
Least: COR, Brown
Roughly. That's harder than I thought. COR and brown both have some great tracks. Actually, when I go back to the brown album I always remember, "Oh yeah, this is good." But there's never anything drawing me back, I guess
 "Joined the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 16:42:01
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| COR is bitty, but Brown needs a few listens. I remember buying it when I was working over in Holland, and maybe sticking it on once(when my mates allowed me-one of my friends bought a ton of CDs and the CD player was always on!)and I was'nt too impressed. But when I listened to it again much later, it caught my ear. All My Ghosts, Solid Gold....King And Queen Of Siam rips of Pixies' Dead's chord progression a bit(if you wanna be picky!), but I like it. COR has some great stuff, but it could have been a lot better. In my opinion, it's one of those flawed records that has the makings of a really good album. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 16:46:13
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Least: COR, Brown
wha? |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 18:43:10
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NimrodsSon speaks the truth!
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 20:06:36
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Yeah, but all in all what we'd all agree on is that Frank Black's stuff is in the best 2-3% of albums. It's all strong compared to 99.9% of what's out there  |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 21:26:38
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Yeah, you've gotta remember it's relative. I love all those albums, but ranking amongst them, that's how it'd go. COR and Brown are great, but I usually don't have the compunction to listen to them when I think, "What Frank record should I spin?" If I do happen to listen to them, however, I always think, "I KNOW this is good, but I keep forgetting how good."
That said, I think some of FB's weakest tracks can also be found on COR including one of the few tracks I skip, Punk Rock City.
"Joined the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/26/2005 : 21:30:18
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 04/26/2005 : 22:03:23
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 04/27/2005 : 00:24:26
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What do you all have against Punk Rock City? The bass line alone makes it worthwhile. I love this song.
Anyway, once more we're starting a fight though we all agree in the end: there has never been and there will probably never be a bad Frank Black album.
except Pistolero, of course.
Denis
"His chops are too righteous. The helmets can't handle this level of rock 'n' roll. Karen, do something!" |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 04/27/2005 : 01:29:40
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Originally posted by vilainde
What do you all have against Punk Rock City? The bass line alone makes it worthwhile. I love this song.
Anyway, once more we're starting a fight though we all agree in the end: there has never been and there will probably never be a bad Frank Black album.
except Pistolero, of course.
Denis
"His chops are too righteous. The helmets can't handle this level of rock 'n' roll. Karen, do something!"
doesn't this post belong in the "say something offensive preceded by a disclaimer" thread? |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2005 : 10:46:28
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| I actually kind of dig Punk Rock City. I love the punkisms-the rock and roll guitar flourishes and Franks whooping! |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 04/27/2005 : 11:03:14
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Some people need to wash their mouths out with soap!
; )
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/27/2005 : 11:35:44
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i love the way he sings it. puuuuuuuuuuunk rock ciiiiittttttteeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy
how can anyone not like punk rock city? |
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Devil's Workshop: Frank's Fave
