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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 04/24/2005 : 05:41:48
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| This thing that Joey does blows me away each time I hear it. The guitar just stays on one note and makes all the difference. It's so simple yet absolutely brilliant. I've been listening to this Minutemen album a lot lately (as you may know already), it was recorded in '83 and there is lots of one note playing on it. Do you think Joey was influenced by Minutemen or were they both influenced by someone else? I wonder where the idea for this first came from. Any clue? |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 05:49:10
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it's just a technique inherent in all crappy guitarists
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 05:56:35
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| Yup. the simplest things always sound the sweetest. check the one note semi-solo in L.A. inspired! |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2005 : 06:15:12
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| Oh. Oh well. |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2005 : 06:27:54
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| Fuck it. I still think it's brilliant. And I'm no musician but it sounds to me that d.boon was one helluva guitar player. |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 06:29:36
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Sorry, i'm not sure where it first appeared, I guess as soon as popular music as we know it began. i'll look into it, would be cool to find out. The very first one note solo.
I'm not familiar with Minutemen, you could be write about their influence. |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2005 : 06:37:14
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found this interview with Frank Zappa:
You've talked about your antecedents, like Johnny Guitar Watson and others you were influenced by. There's no obvious trace of them. It must be less literal.
What I've taken from them is not from their sound it's their attitude. I'm probably stylistically closer to Guitar Slim than anybody else. But since nobody knows what he did ...[laughter]. There's a couple of solos he played that I thought were landmarks--but they were very obscure.
Watson, he's the original minimalist guitar player. The solo on "Lonely Nights," the one-note guitar solo? Says it all! Gets the point across. I can remember guitar players in high school learning that solo and just going, "But how does he get it to sound that way?" lt really- was one note. If you can play that note against those chord changes and derive the same emotional impact that he got from playing that note, then you're onto something. He can make that one be so nasty. You know, like, "What's behind that note? What is the mode? Why are you continuing to play the tonic when the dominant chord comes around? Are you goin' like this
[gestures with his middle finger in the "F-you" position] with your playing or what?" You have to learn how to do that.
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 06:40:54
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| Oh, and other such one-noters, Johnny Ramone (i wanna be sedated) and Neil Young (cinnamon girl) |
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fbc
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2005 : 06:54:35
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
Fuck it. I still think it's brilliant. And I'm no musician but it sounds to me that d.boon was one helluva guitar player.
i'm not saying i don't think it can sound good. i just think it's a silly question... it's such an easy thing to do and not that revolutionary, who knows where it came from. i doubt one person "invented" it.
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 07:05:28
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| Your first post said it all, steve. I'm a crappy lead man but a one note solo I think I can just about handle. |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 07:16:38
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
i'm not saying i don't think it can sound good. i just think it's a silly question... it's such an easy thing to do and not that revolutionary, who knows where it came from. i doubt one person "invented" it.
Oh let it linger
Hence the " ". I was just wondering about the influences.
And thank you fbc for the good research.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 07:19:06
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fair enough. i guess i am also interested in earlier examples of it. but i don't believe we'll find a common influence.
Oh let it linger |
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 07:28:36
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Interesting question you posed here ElevatorLady, and FBC, with some more research like this, and you will, either, be knighted and proclaimed protector of all things Frank, or, your diplomatic abilities with the Youth will be recognized and honored, and you will be sent out as Special Envoy to promote all things Frank amoung our misguided and ignorant (unlearned) Youth.
It's amazing how so much of life's nuances and subtleties are lost on Youth! Pity!
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 07:53:02
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Ah Oldman, you make me laugh
Ele's question is one I never thought about before, but I too am a huge fan of the one note solo. i just needed to read these words of hers to realise how much.
And the Youth? They don't deserve the likes of Frank Black
But my mission has no end. The word is always being spread. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 10:05:26
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I think it was invented by the same guy who came up with the quiet verse/loud chorus idea.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/24/2005 : 10:57:33
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Originally posted by VoVat
I think it was invented by the same guy who came up with the quiet verse/loud chorus idea.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied.
And we all know who he ripped-off, don't we? |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2005 : 11:16:14
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Francis Bacon?
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 04/25/2005 : 03:10:10
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You mean Shakespeare????
I'm 14 and you're not!!! Ha Ha !! |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 04/25/2005 : 03:31:57
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If we're talking about one note-solo's...
I can see for miles - The Who (1967). That Pete guy sure rules. |
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sand in the dog
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Posted - 05/01/2005 : 23:21:02
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I love SHAKESPEARE!!!! King Lear! Do we know this?
hook it to my veins! |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 01:45:46
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(somebody on the board here said once that:)
Joey also played one note solos in unison
so with more than one string
the other one slightly detuned,
maybe that was new
don't know
 "I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 07:11:11
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you mean the G and B two frets apart bend the G string thing? he didn't invent that.
Oh let it linger |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2005 : 14:35:39
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I was more speaking of the detuning
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 11:08:44
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I love SHAKESPEARE!!!! King Lear!
Hey! Take it to the "answer a question and ask one" thread!
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 12:02:38
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| Did'nt Prof. Fender Onenote of the Single Note Solo institute in Munich invent the one note solo in 1876? |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 13:06:08
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I always figured the single note was invented before the chord, but I guess I was wrong.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 13:11:36
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That's an interseting theory. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 13:57:33
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
I was more speaking of the detuning
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!"
where's that used? never heard it talked about before
Oh let it linger |
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Kirk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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The one note thing (who "invented" it?)
