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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
 Posted - 04/08/2005 : 07:35:22
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Well.. I just realized recently that this band I used to ignore when I was young at the time of their glory, is maybe one of the very few original rock bands of the 90's. Their music is growing old so well.
Even their last 2 Machinas sound like good angry music.
That's all...
I'm a regular kid! |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 07:47:48
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"Out on tour with the Smashing Pumpkins
Nature kids, oh they don't have no function
I don't understand what they mean
And I could really give a fuck" -'Range Life', Pavement
I never "got" the Pumpkins. I tried so hard, but I just didn't like em (aside from Today and Bullet With.. which are cool).
 "Join the cult of Ray/He was the best Ghostbuster"
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 07:58:31
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Mayonaise.
Early Pumpkins is some very special stuff.
There was something special on every album, really. |
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 07:58:58
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Right you are! I was so lucky to see them in the 90's. They were brilliant.
I just heard an interview with Billy. He hinted at a reunion.....but who knows. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 08:55:06
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 09:14:42
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He is such a great songwriter.
I plan on getting his solo effort which is coming out soon. |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
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Posted - 04/08/2005 : 09:51:48
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Too much songs on Mellon Collie, I guess. But an excellent record anyway. See my first mix for the swap game as a proof.
I liked those songs written by the other guy. You know, the one with the asian look, let me see... James Iha. I don't know what is he doing now.
I made a google search. He's doing a lot of things. Poppy stuff, mainly.
Ayúdate a ti mismo, y entonces te ayudarán también los demás. Principio de amor al prójimo. |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 11:53:45
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A lot of the songs James Iha wrote and recorded with the Pumpkins ended up in obscurity as B-sides to singles. I always liked his poppy love songs. After Mellon Collie, I don't think the Pumpkins did anything but Corgan songs.
I was never really blown away by anything after Mellon Collie, though Adore was a fine record at points. I had just outgrown the Pumpkins by the time it was released. Machina has some moments, too, but once again, I just listened to so much of them when I was 15-17 so I was fiending for something non-Pumpkins by the time that record came out. I'd say Siamese Dream is my favorite record of theirs. Mayonaise is one of the greatest songs of all-time.
Let 'em riot. We're Sonic-fuckin'-Death Monkey. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 13:45:22
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Siamese Dream is excellent and Mellon Collie is half amazing. If they trimmed off the fat it would be even better than Siamese Dream IMO.
Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 15:50:40
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When Adore first came out, I was working in an indie record store and spun it a lot. Didn't think it was all that great.
In mid-2003, a good five years later, I had a hankerin' to go out and purchase it. I had a complete about-face.
Adore is one of the most emotion-packed, beautiful, and haunting album I've ever come across. Not a lot of stuff makes me want to immediatly burst into tears.
This album does.
In my opinion.
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 15:56:56
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| Gish is my fave. I know some kids from Chi land that saw them at local shows. I was banned from seeing them in their heyday (w. Nirvana opening). Great music ... not as good as the Pixies. I gotta say it kinda turned me off b/c it seemed like Billy C got a little egomanical. Don't know... maybe it's the fact they got so popular... or maybe i never thought their stuff sounded as good as Gish. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 16:00:00
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Man, when I was 13 I would have whizzed on a electric fence to see Nirvana and the Pumpkins. Seriously.
I spun the shit out of Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie back in the day. They're still good, but I just can't listen to them anymore. I'm not sure why.
If you can't handle the entropy, get out of the universe. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 16:01:12
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DON'T whizz on the electric fence! Didn't you ever see the adverts?!
Lo-og, lo-oggg, its big, its heavy, its wood..
"Join the cult of Ray/He was the best Ghostbuster"
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 16:02:10
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I'd say the Pumpkins were better than bad. They were good!
If you can't handle the entropy, get out of the universe. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 16:05:49
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but i thought micheal jackson taught us that bad is good  |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 16:44:10
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I only really know them for 1979 and beautiful Darcy
it's weird, it's one of the only songs i listen too and never pay attention to the words or vocals. the music does all the talking |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 04/08/2005 : 16:50:57
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i've only listened to a few odd songs. the guys voice annoys me. it did on the zwan album anyway.
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Posted - 04/08/2005 : 17:01:40
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I'm sorry to disapoint you, but I just could't get them, his voice... it makes me angry.
Maybe I didn't gave them a good chance.
You’re too old to lose it, too young to choose it
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 18:13:09
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| They could be irritating, but I love Siva. Why do bands have to get big and crawl up they're own arses? By the way, has anyone heard about Billy Corgan's forthcoming solo album? Robert Smith joins him for a cover of the Bee Gees To Love Somebody. |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 21:33:22
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I was a pretty huge pumpkin fan for quite awhile. I was obsessed with them really. It was interesting to see them evolve. I don't think it's fair to say they got worse; they just evolved. They got a lot of flack because their post Mellon Collie efforts weren't as high energy as people may have expected.
Weezer: now there is a band that has definitely gotten worse! There new song is awful. And Maladroit...what's the deal with these guys?
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole. |
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dogjones
- FB Fan -
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2005 : 08:01:33
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The former Smashing Pumpkins front man and Chicago native spent his Friday morning standing alongside the dugouts at Wrigley Field and watching the Cubs take batting practice while joking around with the players.
"If you would have told me when I was 10 years old that one day I would be standing on the field on Opening Day talking to players, I wouldn't have believed you," Corgan said with a laugh. "It's all good. Hope springs eternal."
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go cubs! |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2005 : 17:04:26
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Weird. Too bad baseball sucks along with all of the other sports.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 09:41:31
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I seem to be alone in liking the new Weezer single. Far from their best, but I still like it.
Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 09:45:29
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 10:17:14
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Nice video.
Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 10:21:19
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I like the new single. (but I agree about Maladroit)
Nothing as good as Pinkerton and the blue album though. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 12:40:52
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They will probably never produce anything quite that good again. Not many bands do ever.
Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
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WolfManMikeLonely
= Cult of Ray =
USA
936 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 15:02:54
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I like a few Smashing Pumpkins songs, never bought any albums or anything just dug some stuff. I also think the new Weezer song isn't half bad, it's just a summer jam type of song, not a lot of substance but fun no less. Weezer is actually a lot like Smashing Pumpkins for me, they're ok, but nothing near the hype that a lot of people seem to put out about them.
"Hey fuck you if you don't like it."
-Johnny Thunders
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 16:30:05
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The first two records are amazing. After that, it's hit and miss. Corgan shouldn't be allowed to produce himself. His voice sounded fine on the first two, then it started sounding like a dentist's drill when Billy took the reigns.
Will I ever reach 1000?
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 02:21:08
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I borrowed Siamese Dream last week to see would it give me any warmglow recollections but apart from Today and the 4th track and Mayonnaise and some other scattered moments it´s been dustgathering mainly.
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"Here love," brakes on a high squeak, "it´s not backstage at the old Windmill or something, you know." |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/11/2005 : 18:00:51
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The 4th track would be Hummer. Wonderful song, and it manages to carry on for about 7 minutes w/o lagging or losing beauty.
As far as Weezer goes, I'm worried/convinced we'll never get records as good as Blue or Pinkerton from that band again. I've liked stuff from Green and Maladroit but it's just not as consistent or raw or sincere as Blue and Pinkerton.
I'm not liking Beverly Hills all that much just because it's such a fun-in-the-sun Smash Mouth kind of song, not that it sounds like Smash Mouth but the attitude of it is along those lines. It's really just an anthem, and I guess that's what the record company wanted for a single. We'll see how the rest of the record is.
Let 'em riot. We're Sonic-fuckin'-Death Monkey. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 11:05:22
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Gish - great album, good innocent fun, and just pure rock with some spatterings of 60's psychedelia thrown in there. A classic, I would say, though it kind of seems a little immature (not necessarily in a bad way) now that a number of years have passed. standout tracks: Siva, Suffer, Daydream
Siamese Dream - solid as hell, only one stinker in the group (i.e. Spaceboy), at least in my opinion. Mayonaise, GEEK USA, Cherub Rock...all great great rock songs. This album has definitely withstood the test of time.
Pisces Iscariot - even though its supposedly a collection of b-sides and scraps, I can honestly say I've gone back to this album more than any other SP release. Every single song on it is brilliant in its own way, and it sounds most definitively like what I consider the SP sounded like at their apex. Maybe a little less studio-gloss and production is what makes it sound better in my ear. I just always connected with a majority of these songs, can't say exactly why...
Mellon Collie - could have been a one-disc SOLID album. instead it meanders around quite a bit and the experimentation ranges from successful to downright cheesy at some point. This is where they started losing me...
Haven't listened to a SP release since. Heard some stuff off of Adore and Machina and all that, but it just always sounded like Corgan ego-trip and the elements that I so loved in Gish/Siamese/Pisces just weren't there any more.
btw...Tar Tar. Love your quote. That is one of the best lines in High Fidelity, delivered in a way ONLY Jack Black can do. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 11:13:19
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Hasn't TarTar had that sig for ages?
“Did I leave the gas on? No! I’m – no – I’m a fucking squirrel!”
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 11:51:45
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I don't like the first albums, they sound like heavy rock for teenagers who dig Kurt Cobain (I know most of you do, I don't for I am really special!!!!!!!!) From mellon Collie, billy corgan was more sure of himself (though I hate Bullet with buttercraps wings for it sounds so much like an attempt to be a single for crazzzzy cooool kids)It's only recently that I admited I liked his voice that I could not stand..; but U know, you change... at that time I thought it was not cool to love Presley, now I can hardly find something better in substance in Modern Music (maybe David Thomas??) Ava Adore is a pure beauty as a song, a kind a modern T REX song. The album has nothing to do with pumpkins I admit and I agree. Yes the band became more like Billy Corgan and 2 Smashing Pumpkins. But it was nice, adult, strong and beautiful. So I am waiting for an album by Billy Corgan and The Smashing Pumpkins for alone, he is not very productive. The Machinas are really strong. Good hard rock even though I hate hard rock.
I'm a regular old fashion music admirer. |
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