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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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 Posted - 03/14/2005 : 08:34:39
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You have 2 choices (in my humble opinion), start with the godfathers - The Melvins.
Or say goodbye to your sanity and take a listen here:
http://www.dillingerescapeplan.com/
I suspect you are going to think it's all shit though.
You want it all but you can't have it.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 08:35:08
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| "Math rock" is a new one on me. It is the second stupidest genre label I've ever heard ("emo" is still a distant #1). I've been enjoying Nomeansno for about 20 years now. Thankfully I'd never heard the term "math rock" back in the mid-80s or I would have certainly dismissed it as quickly as PixieSteve. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 12:22:05
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Rock (or rock 'n' roll) itself is a stupid/inane label when you think about it. Of course, nobody has thought about it for the last 40 years or so, both because the term is so integrated into the cultural subconsciousness and because the music speaks for itself.
Personally, I think "post rock" (of which math rock is a subgenre, according to music journalists) is a much more odious term; in fact, I'd say the term "post punk" (or post-anything, really) is a little suspect. Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think Nomeansno have anything to do with math rock.
Gonna have to look up that Melvins tribute album - thanks for the tip, SR! Anyone here like Meshuggah? I've heard one or two songs (the 20~ minute track "I" being one of them) - very heavy, very good. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 14:52:45
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Post-rock's definitely a stoopid name, they all are, but I guess they're convenient for bracketing bands together. I've written one or two reviews, and its very difficult to do without using genres or comparisons (another device that gets peoples goats). Plus, I think people would read a review and see that a band are categorised by the reviewer as 'post-punk' or 'math-rock' and have a certain idea of whether or not the band are worth investigating.
As with most things, blame the press.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 16:40:15
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i guess les savy fav would be considered math-rock then, however, i think the label is quite ridiculous.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 18:33:33
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I still seem to become annoyed when I discover that a band I like appears as lumped in with a shitpile of otherbands under some genre label by the media. This seems the fault of Descartes and Aristotle when I think about it, and I move that we migrate all review and critical context to the form of E-PRIME, thus abolishing identity and predication. Fuck the system.
"High fructose corn syrup: It makes the demons worse." - Wesley Willis |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 18:48:59
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amen spudly!
love the quote!
You can go eat a decroded piece of crap! |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 03/14/2005 : 23:50:58
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
Rock (or rock 'n' roll) itself is a stupid/inane label when you think about it. Of course, nobody has thought about it for the last 40 years or so, both because the term is so integrated into the cultural subconsciousness and because the music speaks for itself.
Personally, I think "post rock" (of which math rock is a subgenre, according to music journalists) is a much more odious term; in fact, I'd say the term "post punk" (or post-anything, really) is a little suspect. Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think Nomeansno have anything to do with math rock.
Gonna have to look up that Melvins tribute album - thanks for the tip, SR! Anyone here like Meshuggah? I've heard one or two songs (the 20~ minute track "I" being one of them) - very heavy, very good.
Fractured Transmitter Records has set a May 10 release date for the upcoming tribute CD to THE MELVINS. Titled "We Reach: The Music Of The Melvins", the album will include contributions from such acts as MESHUGGAH, STRAPPING YOUNG LAD, THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN, MASTODON, KEELHAUL, HOUSE OF LOW CULTURE, MEATJACK, LICKGOLDENSKY, ABSENTEE, DISENGAGE, ABDULLAH and DOG FASHION DISCO. Album art is expected to be handled by Derek Hess (SEPULTURA, CONVERGE, POISON THE WELL).
It's gonna be a beaut - the Mastodon cover of The Bit drives me insane.
You want it all but you can't have it.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 03/15/2005 : 01:48:34
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strapping young lad rears it's ugly head, lovin' it!
You can go eat a decroded piece of crap! |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 03/15/2005 : 01:54:59
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Yes - I think that could be a very interesting cover.
You want it all but you can't have it.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/15/2005 : 10:03:01
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Abba Cus.
Man it's good to be back.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 03/15/2005 : 10:38:09
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Oh and something else to bear in mind when listening to Dillinger Escape Plan is that the lead guitarist Ben Weinman and vocalist Greg Puciato are both utterly delicious.
You want it all but you can't have it.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2005 : 11:08:06
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Been away for a while, but I wanted to recommend a couple of things we've been listening to nonstop these days.
Oh, and the Melvins w/Lustmord disc is great, according to SpudBoy, I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. Kind of lower-key. The Melvins' latest release is great, but a little too all over the place for my expectations. I love it, but I was expecting face-melting goodness throughout. This was very Mr. Bunglesque though, and had its own unique appeal.
Secondly, here is a review of the Crain "Speed" reissue. It's fucking great (the reissue, that is)
http://www.splendidmagazine.com/review.html?reviewid=1110886900203347
You can get some free mp3s to check out here:
www.crainspeed.com
(I mentioned this a while back, but it can't hurt too bad to repeat myself:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11691&SearchTerms=,crain )
Thirdestetest:
And Bastro.
They just did a rerelease that Drag City had to pull because of Homestead records dicking around, but we found it on amazon (purchased through barnes and noble's site, via amazon, if that makes sense) - one is a two-album disc: Diablo Guapo w/Sing the Troubled Beast. I highly recommend it. The other is a live disc, including live video.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:q9kxlffe5cqq |
Edited by - apl4eris on 04/01/2005 11:11:39 |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2005 : 11:14:41
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thank you so much for all these suggestions, i can't get enough at the moment, i'm in a good music place :)
 I joined the cult of Derek/ because Dereks don't run |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2005 : 11:39:14
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| You bet! There's a nice assortment of free mp3s on touch & go's site -found a Rapeman one on there to satisfy me til I find our lost cd. |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/03/2005 : 13:02:39
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I love you apl
The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2005 : 14:15:29
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Originally posted by Surfer Rosa
I love you apl
Aww shucks, Surfer. 
I blame it on the repeated mentions of The Melvins - which is totally understandable. ;)
There's a great pic of King Buzzo in a skirt and big boots at the Slint ATP. I'll see if I can find it and post it here.
(not my pic - but damn I wish I could have been there) |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/03/2005 : 14:19:19
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Very cool pic.
I've yet to see them live.
The Melvins didn't really grab me when I first heard them years ago but in the past 6 months I've been listening to them a whole lot more and I can only think that I must have had some major ear blockage or something not too have heard their genius.
The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2005 : 16:53:35
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I play bass in what has been described as a "math rock" band... uhh.. yeah. Conspiracy-tinged, kazoo-tottin' mathrock.
http://www.theilluminati.org.uk
 "Join the cult of Ray/He was the best Ghostbuster"
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 11:31:56
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OTHER MELVINS FANS. yesss
actually, i was clued in on your commendable taste, but its great to hear other people mention them as well.
didn't know a Melvins tribute was coming out! that's awesome, gonna look up more about it online right now
I agree that the term 'math rock' is a little restrictive and short-sighted, but then again so is every other concrete category for music that critics and reviewers feel compelled to use & propagate. like Cheeseman said, though, it is a necessary evil for the purpose of communicating info to the masses--casual music-seekers are probably well-aided by such categorization, whereas music afficionados and obsessives (like most of us on this forum) see right through such shallow, transluscent attempts to put into words that which cannot sufficiently be expressed through such means.
god i'm quite the rambler today |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 11:36:52
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OTHER MELVINS FANS. yesss
actually, Jen, i was clued in on your commendable taste, but its great to hear other people mention them as well.
didn't know a Melvins tribute was coming out! that's awesome, gonna look up more about it online right now
I agree that the term 'math rock' is a little restrictive and short-sighted, but then again so is every other concrete category for music that critics and reviewers feel compelled to use & propagate. like Cheeseman said, though, it is a necessary evil for the purpose of communicating info to the masses--casual music-seekers are probably well-aided by such categorization, whereas music afficionados and obsessives (like most of us on this forum) see right through such shallow, transluscent attempts to put into words that which cannot sufficiently be expressed through such means.
god i'm quite the rambler today |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 15:41:59
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Is "math rock" really that much of a stupid term? Rock, that has mathy timings. That's all it is!
I draw the line at something like "Post-punk disco spazz noisecore", although one of my favourite unsigned bands are described as such:
http://www.hunting-lodge.org
"Join the cult of Ray/He was the best Ghostbuster"
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2005 : 18:57:35
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Is "math rock" really that much of a stupid term? Rock, that has mathy timings. That's all it is!
Don't forget about the absurdist song titles, such as "My Ten Year Old Lady Is Giving It Away", "Welcome To The Jungle Baby, You're Gonna Live", and "Married To The System or Married To Jazz?". (Actually, that last one popped in my head this morning while watching the movie "Lenny".)
Math rock = time signature spree + wacky song titles. |
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