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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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 Posted - 02/17/2005 : 07:11:39
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prob. been discussed before like alot of other things but does anyone know what "the swimmer" is about? is it a made up frank story or was he inspired by something ?.
i found this story while looking for answers, sounds interesting...
about a man who turns into a manta ray and goes swiming off florida.. and has a few fishy adventures....
http://woc-archive.xepher.net/stories/manta.htm
anyone???
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2005 : 08:49:56
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ok,
but does anyone know the story,
that could be a sarcastic Frank comment? |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2005 : 10:43:43
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could b bout the film of the same name but im just guessing iv never even seen the film
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/17/2005 : 15:50:42
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what the fuck does frank mean
that anne frank writes his songs
weird stuff
does it come from a sketch or something
(btw this is the internet chat that says that
there is a robert onion video)
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =
USA
715 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2005 : 16:25:05
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I thought this was going to be a ghost of christmas past type post. The Swimmer. Yeah.
Never heard of that story before. Neato.
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2005 : 19:51:25
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well the movie "The Swimmer" with Burt Langcaster is a good start, but I'm thinking the movie "The End"
with Burt Reynolds.Two Burts,how about that. |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2005 : 03:56:05
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The Swimmer film seems to have little in common with the song other than the name and a bit of swimming.... more sea aquatic life references, neptunian type things in the song.....
or it could be about "Gamble Rogers"
http://www.gamblerogers.com/
Florida lost one of its greatest folk singers on October 10, 1991, when Gamble gave up his own life while trying to save a drowning man. Although Gamble may be gone, his spirit and wisdom live on in his music and in his stories. So we hope you will spend a little time here listening to some of Gamble's music, reading his stories, and even sharing your own stories about Gamble with all of us.
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2005 : 11:35:30
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iv recently rented the swimmer for the first time with "the swimmer" in mind.btw the i think youre rite Lonley persuader i dont think they have anything in common
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2005 : 13:26:13
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I'll take you up on this Gamble, thanks for the tip.
As far as flicks go, I remember "The End". |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2005 : 14:30:53
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Ok, I read "Manta", nice tail.
It was written in 1997, "Dog in the sand" in 2000.
The star is Charlie (not the tuna) there is also a gal named Jean, now thats fishy.
And yes I do have a question, what is George? he and Charlie seem to hit it off. |
Edited by - danjersey on 02/18/2005 21:06:15 |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 02/18/2005 : 14:52:47
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i read the bio on james gamble rogers. i've never heard of him but sounds like a very well accomplished singer songerwriter. tragic story. i think you may be onto to something lonely pursuader. how'd you make the link?
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 02/18/2005 : 15:42:39
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I have no clue if it's connected, it probably isn't. But there's this scary/cool story that was in my reading book in sixth grade about this guy in a boat off fla. Some how he grabbed onto this huge manta ray and rode around on it. I wish I could remember the name of the story.  I always think of that tho. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/18/2005 : 16:29:45
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That manta ray was all right!
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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Mad Lucas
- FB Fan -
Australia
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Posted - 02/19/2005 : 04:19:33
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My first impression was that it might be about Harold Holt. Why FB would delve into Australian politics, I don't know?
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2005 : 15:22:14
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Well lonely persuader you've got to be right.
"The Swimmer" is as good as it gets, and a hero is as hero does.
I'm headin to the record store to see what the've got
I'll search through the folk and pass up the pop.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2005 : 02:58:08
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actually, i dont think im right about either now....
the "Manta" story or "Ganmble Rogers"--
i think the song is about a suicide or a guy fed up with materialistic life (florida) and goes to test a hypothesis (or maybe it looks that way to the writer), if living under sea can make him happy... but really he dies (the scene way so tragic, but that way the magic)..
anyways, all i can say is, i dunno |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2005 : 09:34:24
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ok , you raised the question,then offered suggestions as good as any
now you pull out?
I doubt your doubt .
like i said, theres somthing fishy here.
the search or faith in a forgotten part is dangerous yet seems so right at times.
p.s.
"The Doctor" is dead. He seemed to be testing some hypothesis
as well and was in to much of a hurry.
R.I.P. |
Edited by - danjersey on 02/21/2005 14:06:39 |
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NSpannaus
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Posted - 02/21/2005 : 17:24:55
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the swimmer is originally a john cheever (sp?) short story.. it uses swimming/water as a metaphor for alcoholism... some guy walks home from a party and swims in every pool/river on the way.. when he gets home, he finds his house abandoned, his family gone, and realizes that he's just an old alcoholic banging at the door of his old house..
i don't think frank's song has any direct connection... but similar idea... |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2005 : 20:37:19
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yeah... thats pretty sad, and so possible.
are we done here.... anyone?
oh yeah, hey there persuader how come you said "the writer" and not just FRANK? |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 03:06:39
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| I guess i said the writer because writers often write a song from a different perspective and saying frank could be a red herring if u know what i mean.... like if someone was to write a song from a murderer's point of view, i would say writer rather than Grant Hart, if u know what i mean "Diane".... and i'm not callin u a girl Danjersey.... |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 20:06:41
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I'm hearin ya,
Its funny years ago this guy, well it seemed like he was callin me Diane, i had a short temper at the time man he pissed me off, just got right under my skin and stuck.
but i've mellowed, gettin older yet younger. like i said i gotta get to the record shop.
so the swimmer? i liked that "Manta" tail, Charlie, George and Sharky that was nice. |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2006 : 12:21:31
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
The Swimmer film seems to have little in common with the song other than the name and a bit of swimming.... more sea aquatic life references, neptunian type things in the song.....
or it could be about "Gamble Rogers"
http://www.gamblerogers.com/
Florida lost one of its greatest folk singers on October 10, 1991, when Gamble gave up his own life while trying to save a drowning man. Although Gamble may be gone, his spirit and wisdom live on in his music and in his stories. So we hope you will spend a little time here listening to some of Gamble's music, reading his stories, and even sharing your own stories about Gamble with all of us.
BOOK SALE! the sign read out in front of the technopulp bldg in my town.
"we have music too" a lady in a apron said. i found a box of records that were labled FOLK, and so here it is, for 50 cents i walked out with (among other treats) Gamble Rogders "the lord gives me grace, and the devil gives me style" and get this it's signed "for pete best wishes fla folk fest sept 1977" Gamble Rodgers.
if the swimmer is written for him well gosh, it's a helluv a tribute.
july is a woman is such a grat song
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/01/2006 : 12:55:17
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I remember thinking there may have been a connection between the song and a short story of the same name (was it Cheever that wrote it?)
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allison
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2006 : 22:28:45
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