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floop
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Mexico
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 Posted - 02/03/2005 : 12:19:38
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[inspired by LBF's topic]
i don't think there are any.. but i'm just curious how you guys would feel about this.
generally, when songs are in commercials people get angry because it ruins the song, or the ingegrity of the song, for them (me too). (there are a zillion examples.. beatles, bowie etc..)..
is that how you would feel if you heard a Frank song in a commercial? or would you think it's cool?
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 12:58:50
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I think that I wouldn't like that, I don't like to share Frank Black's songs with everybody...i think most of the people wouldn't give it the attention that it deserves.
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hawken
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 13:10:50
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If the artist is ok with it then why not? Especially when the artist in question isn't making big time money (not that Frank is hurting for money). If there was a Frank tune that was used in a commercial it certainly wouldn't make me think any less of Frank. It wouldn't change the way I feel about his music either.
I think a lot of people like to jump all over a musician for selling their music for purposes like this. I remember when I heard a Modest Mouse tune on a minivan commercial....then later on a beer commercial (this was before MM was popular). It didn't bother me, I was happy that Issac and crew were getting paid.
Artists can often spend a lot of time trying to make it....during this time they are usually piss poor, so if they can make some dough off a tune they wrote I say that's up to them. |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 14:08:13
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There are many artists who succumb to commercialism. I have never viewed Ween the same way since hearing Ocean Man peddling a car. The one thing it proves is the relative obscurity of the song and artist. What company really wants a song to become more popular than their product? Not many would recognize a song in a commercial which was originally written by FB. It would only serve to provide easy money for CT but also prove how small his music is on the larger scale!
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
All of a sudden my water broke!
"There was a man Who made a boat To sail away And it sank.". |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 14:16:49
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I'd be fine with a Frank song being in a commercial, as long as he's cool with it and it's appropriate.
On the other hand, it might be problematic if people can't hear the song after that without thinking of the commercial. I don't know about you, but I still consider Aaron Copland's Grand Canyon Suite (or whatever it's called) to be "the beef song."
I guess the best solution, if someone really wanted to use a Frank song for a commercial, would be for him to write an original song for it.
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 15:08:54
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I think my feelings would be different if it would be a pixies song like Where is my mind  or if it would be a Catholics song like Do Gone or So Bay 
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The New Bolero
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 16:04:11
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Originally posted by remig
I think my feelings would be different if it would be a pixies song like Where is my mind or if it would be a Catholics song like Do Gone or So Bay
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If I'm not mistaken "Dog Gone" was used in an Alpo Prime Cuts commercial a few years back. |
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Cabonga
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 16:40:18
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my favorite commercials, lying in bed listening to fb
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 23:23:40
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Forget it. No way would I like to hear him in a commercial. It IS a sellout obviously when someone does that. It dilutes and trivializes the artist's creation. How would you like to see a Van Gogh? Plastered on a box of tampons in the grocery store, or hanging in the National Gallery. Frank Black's music getting hummed along with all the shitty jingles? Of course not. And as far as the extra publicity his music would get? Well, I've never gone to the trouble of tracking down what band sang the Busch beer song...I'm too busy staring at the tits to notice.
Now I did love the ending of Fight Club when where is my mind starts playing as the buildings collapse. Totally different thing though.
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Guinardo
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 06:32:30
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You guys may not believe this, but there IS a Frank Black song in a commercial I saw on TV. It was on Fox44 from Rochester New-York (which I get on cable here in Montreal). The ad was for some teen socail implication thingy (I obviously wasn't interested, being 27), but the backgroud song was (get this) : Mosh, Don't Pass the Guy, from COR.
Believe it.
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The New Bolero
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 07:45:43
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| Sometimes during Golden Girls reruns they'd run this commercial for CB radio cigarette lighter adapters and I think they were using "Pure Denizen of the Citizens Band" for awhile. It didn't bother me none. |
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lonely persuader
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ElevatorLady
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 08:40:14
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| Slightly off-topic, but until yesterday I didn't think I'd mind hearing a Frank Black song in a commercial, but I just saw something today that made me think. I saw at the music store another (new?) Velvet Underground Best Of, and there was a sticker on the CD advertising that "I'm sticking with you" is the song played in some Hyunday commercial, and there was the Hyunday logo right there on the sticker! VU is one of my favorite bands and I have to say I was a little dissapointed by this. What a pointless sell-out! I'm sure they didn't make that much money out of this, and it looks really pathetic. |
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 08:57:11
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Well at least if you're going to be on a car commercial, why not go for the gusto and choose Hyundai. I mean, how much better does it get than that...
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 09:50:48
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i guess it all depends on how much your song is worth, and how much the companies are willing to pay.. but i don't think the money is anything to scoff at. as far as having to do absolutely nothing, the pay out is not too shabby. especially if you're an upper echelon artist ..
usually this kind of thing pisses me off. i couldn't believe it when there was that Stooges song in a Nike commercial.. (and many others).. but for some odd reason, i think it would be cool to hear Frank's stuff in a commercial. depending on what the commercial was, and if it was used well. it would kind of be your little secret.
i was at a bar last weekend that played some Frank in their music mix at one point (from the Yellow album at that) and it immediately endeared me to it. not that this relates.. but, when you hear stuff you like, that's pretty obscure, and it's used subtly.. it's kind of fun to be like "wow, someone else out there has good taste"
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 10:01:13
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How about Frank himself in the commercial singing on camera...say dressed up like the cover of TOTY. I would buy the hell out of that product while the advertising company got their butts fired.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 10:09:53
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it was weird seeing Wayne Coyne in that Pentium commercial (or whatever it was) singing "Do you realize?" .. that was actually a tad disappointing
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 11:55:26
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It IS a sellout obviously when someone does that.
I thought it was only "selling out" when someone went against their principles. I've never known Frank to come out explicitly against songs in commercials.
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adda flea
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 12:13:52
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 12:19:55
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are you serious adda flea?
i think that would be unbelievably surreal (in a good way)..
i actually like the Stater Bros theme song ..
"where the girl next door could be come your wife /
every friend you know is a friend for life...
in the heartland, of California /
in the heart laaaaand.. Stater Brothers"
maybe the Catholics could cover that
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 16:50:24
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Well, my respect for Frank Black has gone way down because of the reunion, so I don't know that one of his songs in a commercial would make it much worse; but I think it's absolutely terrible for any musician to allow his/her music to be played on commercials. I know Tom Waits, for one, doesn't allow his songs to be on commercials and has sued many times when they have been used without permission, and I highly respect him for taking that strong of a stance. Commercial advertising, period, is something that I think is utterly disgusting, and I don't anyone should allow their art to be put into a commercial (there are exceptions, of course, when it comes to non-profit, charity organizations, etc., but product advertisements are what I would have a problem with).
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 17:56:05
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i choose cool.
but i do think it has to be done tastefully. music is a business, art is a business. i do get turned off by artists who are pretending to be something they are not- just trying to appeal to a certain market. but for those talented artists who are inspired from the soul, i want them to be commercially successful if that is what they want. nothing is wrong with wanting to better yourself. once you put your music on a cd and charge a price you are selling art for money. so if you're selling cd's, touring, or charging a fee to have your song in a commercial i see no difference.
i really like the modest mouse and flaming lips commercials. and i don't remember the products that are being sold but i do remember the band. seeing the flaming lips commercial got me to listen to more of their music and i then i bought their cd. traditionally artists have used radio to market their music but now they are using movies, tv shows, commercials, video games... good enya i say. if radio won't play your stuff do something else if you want your music heard! good marketing for a good product is simply getting the gospel out!
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 09:19:43
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I remember hearing the original Beach Boys version of "Hang On To Your Ego" on some commercial, but that's not Frank, of course.
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chrischob
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 05:41:28
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They should make a Pixies iPod commercial like the U2 one ;)
They could play U-Mass.
Chris Choboter
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kathryn
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 09:06:40
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A lot would depend on the vibe. I am so sick of mega star musicians
getting big bucks doing commercials. I guess the Stones debased the
whole thing for me...and that ad with Sting and the car. Ugh.
I don't think I'd be as turned off it were Frank, who deserves
all the exposure and accolades and moola in the world.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 10:01:16
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quote:
Originally posted by floop
it was weird seeing Wayne Coyne in that Pentium commercial (or whatever it was) singing "Do you realize?" .. that was actually a tad disappointing
I didn't know he did that. That's more than a tad disappointing.
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Jamie
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 13:46:29
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Daisy Girl
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Belize
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 19:12:54
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If it's a new song it's cool if it is something cool and that can live up to FB's standards. For example: ipod.
If it's an song that's from SMYT's that's cool.
I am getting really irritated at all these new bands that you first hear them on the commercial... that "Pressure" song is an example... another is the Shins and MCD's ...and then you hear them on the radio. It's like they sold out before they ever paid any dues... Frank is like the Beatles.... he's paid he his due and if a cool song of his is going to be on a commercial.... no problem... he's already proved his cred as a musican.
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 19:32:52
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see, it pissed me off when nike used "revolution" by the beatles b/c that was a song about being countercultural (to some degree) and it was used without permission, just a few years after its writer was brutally murdered. that shit is tasteless.
in other ways though, if a frank song was used in a commercial on the superbowl, and somehow this was noted on the bottom of the screen, and 200 million people saw the superbowl, and even 1% of those people sought out an FB album because of that, the man would have a slew of new fans. i don't think its bad to introduce people to FB's music.
i'm really quite torn on this.
-Brian
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
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USA
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 20:58:46
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| I always thought the chorus from "Bird Dreams of the Olympus Mons" would be a great commercial for Busch Beer. Do you remember the commercials they had with the theme "Head into the Mountains, Busch Beer"? Couldn't you just see a group of rugged mountain climbers (or, some girls in bikinis, because you know you can't sell beer without lots of skin) hiking up the mountain in order to get to the beer, and all the way up they play "into the mountain, I will crawl,..." |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 21:09:46
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nice oldman. you're a visionary.
i remember Frank joking around at a concert before, before he played Big Red, that it would be cool if Big Red chewing gum showed up with a huge truckload of Big Red, to thank him for the free promotion..
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
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Posted - 02/08/2005 : 21:36:56
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Isn't that just like The Man, not concerned about the money, only the good stuff, free gum!
That's a classic, Floop. It sounds like something a kid would say on a Saturday afternoon while playing with his friends. |
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dogjones
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 02:21:18
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| writing or performing a song written or commisioned by marketing people is one thing (soda companies are fond of this...mmm fizzy sugar water, the #1 selling 'food item' in the US)....letting someone use a snippet of one of your songs in an add for 5 digits+ $$ is another...and having your catalogue owned by other people and having those people sell your works reguardless of your concent is another thing, too. |
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ElevatorLady
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 11:48:50
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Originally posted by Daisy Girl
I am getting really irritated at all these new bands that you first hear them on the commercial... that "Pressure" song is an example... another is the Shins and MCD's ...and then you hear them on the radio. It's like they sold out before they ever paid any dues...
That's exactly what bothers me in this affair. Same happened here with the Dandy Warhols. It's really dumb that nobody knows who the Dandy Warhols are but everybody knows Bohemian Like You by heart. Otherwise it's probably cool to hear a song you love on TV, even if it's in a coomercial, and I can quite understand the situation when someone tells a musician "Here I'll give you lots of money if you alow as to play your song on television where lots of people will get to hear it." It must not be easy to think of a reasom to say no in a situation like that. |
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mosleyk
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 13:33:33
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
That's exactly what bothers me in this affair. Same happened here with the Dandy Warhols. It's really dumb that nobody knows who the Dandy Warhols are but everybody knows Bohemian Like You by heart. Otherwise it's probably cool to hear a song you love on TV, even if it's in a coomercial, and I can quite understand the situation when someone tells a musician "Here I'll give you lots of money if you alow as to play your song on television where lots of people will get to hear it." It must not be easy to think of a reasom to say no in a situation like that.
Oh man. I hate that Dandy Warhol sound bite commercial. They completely edited so that it was forced to fit the stinking car commercial. It isn't even how the song goes.
Ultimately it is up to FB, but I don't think I would like hearing his songs in commercials. Although I do remember hearing a Morphine song in a jeans commercial (absolutely don't remember the brand), and thinking that it was kinda cool. But, I didn't have the same awe for them as Frank. |
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 13:46:44
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Originally posted by kathryn
A lot would depend on the vibe. I am so sick of mega star musicians
getting big bucks doing commercials. I guess the Stones debased the
whole thing for me...and that ad with Sting and the car. Ugh.
I don't think I'd be as turned off it were Frank, who deserves
all the exposure and accolades and moola in the world.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank
Kiki my dear, have you seen the commercial with the Clash song on it?
I was so surprised with that, it was a car commercial.
So this is for when you're feeling happy again
And this is for when you're feeling sad
And this is for when you feel...
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