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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12/04/2004 : 06:17:41
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'The Guide' that comes with The Guardian today (my GF buys it, not me!) has a cover feature of 'overrated-ness' - basically a good few pages of writers/critics banging on about who/what they feel is overrated and why. have to say, it's genius and i agree with most of it! the cover photo is the strokes, so you know they're getting it first... anyway, here's who they believed were the main sinners of overrated-ness...
music
the strokes
james brown
pet sounds (album)
stone roses
elvis costello
u2
neil young
david bowie
bob marley
tom waits
elvis
prince
captain beefheart
the rolling stones
nirvana
the beatles
what's going on (album)
film
blade runner
star wars
lost in translation
manhattan
the royal tenenbaums
withnail and i
the godfather
brian de palma
television
spike milligan
six feet under
monty python
sex and the city
the sopranos
twin peaks
the west wing
frasier
writers
james ellroy
don delillo
shakespeare
dennis potter
beat writers
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 06:36:09
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i agree with most of it with the exception of blade runner and the monty pythons. i guess that the list would be terribly long but they should add
music
the doors
film
2001 a space odysey
books
the da vinci code (just finished reading this one and i can't see why all this hype)
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 06:43:29
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i'd leave monty python on. definately. the reasoning they gave, i completely agree with. it's just not funny anymore, was it ever? i don't know. but it's aged really badly and is just stupid.
yeah, da vinci code, i'd include anything by dan brown!
no, not space odyssey. fantastic film.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 07:06:34
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What mun said. Da Vinci Code was a waste of three hours. Monty Python
make life worth living. Jim Morrisson can just stay dead.
And can we all agree that the Beatles are an overrated boy band? ;-)
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 08:33:01
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I think "Puff's" with lotion is an overated tissue. Any of those tissues with lotion are overated really. I find Charmin toilet tissue to be extremely overated. It's all soft and such yeah, but take it easy on the dingle berries there fella's. Screw the softness pitch, they should work on this angle: "Charmin, now with 80 percent less dingle berries!". For my money I like Scotties. I'd much rather deal with mild to moderate anal hemorrhaging than dingle berries.
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 08:55:53
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How can you say that Captain Beefheart is overrated? Most of people don't know anything about them.
I don't think Shakespeare is overrated. Hamlet is the most brilliant litterary character ever. Of course, Romeo and Juliet is cliché now. But, as Nabokov pointed out, "the first poet who compared a woman to a rose was probably a genius, the first one who repeated it was probably an idiot".
The only Don Delillo's book I know is Megalopolis (I don't even remember the title precisly), and it is criminal that such a book has ever been published. What a waste of paper!
Although I am a huge William Burroughs fan, I tend to agree that the Beat writers are overrated.
When it comes to films, I competely disagree with the list.
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 09:03:06
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KOK you are an underrated genius.
I thought I could see the light at the end of the tunnel, but it was
just some b*stard with a torch, bringing me more work. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 09:03:25
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This is RETARDED lol
Neil young the royal tenenbaums, pet sounds overrated. Give me a break, so basically anything with a hit of talent in it is overrated. The pixies should be on it too then, and probly will be too if they get any bigger.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 09:34:36
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Yeah, seriously, is there anything good that they don't think is overrated?!
¡Viva los Católicos! |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 09:42:02
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quote:
Originally posted by NimrodsSon
Yeah, seriously, is there anything good that they don't think is overrated?!
¡Viva los Católicos!
erm, yeah. loads of things? why? are they all your favourite things on there?
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 09:43:32
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Originally posted by The Champ
This is RETARDED lol
Neil young the royal tenenbaums, pet sounds overrated. Give me a break, so basically anything with a hit of talent in it is overrated. The pixies should be on it too then, and probly will be too if they get any bigger.
i see where they're coming from about neil young and pet sounds. they did explain their reasoning... i can't be arsed to type it up. but i agreed. i like the royal tenenbaums, and lost in translation, but agreed, after all the hype and the reviews and stuff, i did expect a bit more and left feeling a bit empty.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:06:45
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You'd better justify it Simon - out of that list I only agree that 10 out of 38 are overrated, which ain't a good hit rate.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:17:35
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White Noise was the only book Delillo wrote that is worth reading. He is the very definition of overrated.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:19:37
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I'd prefer a white noise maker to just white noise.
"4000 posts I reach/And still not look as good as Dean, hmm?" |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:21:52
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
You'd better justify it Simon - out of that list I only agree that 10 out of 38 are overrated, which ain't a good hit rate.
"4000 posts I reach/And still not look as good as Dean, hmm?"
well i can't justify everyone of the decisions, as it'd take me ages! but you tell me the ones you don't think are overrated, then we can discuss.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:23:41
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btw i agree with 18, disagree with 9 and am unsure of the rest.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:30:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
I'd prefer a white noise maker to just white noise.
"4000 posts I reach/And still not look as good as Dean, hmm?"
You are so right. That song's great; the book is merely OK.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:33:17
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James Brown - saw him in the summer, that man puts on a party. The Godfather Of Soul! The Funky President! Not overrated.
Elvis Costello - up there as one of the best songwriters ever from this country, not overrated.
The Beatles - does this need explaining?
The Godfather - this just bemuses me, this is pretty much in every way the best film ever made.
The ones I agree with: Strokes, Stone Roses, U2, Elvis, Prince, What's Going On, Star Wars, Six Feet Under, Sex & The City, The West Wing.
There's a few represented there that I'm not that familiar with, so I wouldn't like to judge them.
But Shakespeare? Good grief, who thought up this list?
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:37:32
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godfather - *way* overrated.
if anyone is desperate enough to want a full explaination of any of the overrated sinners, then i guess i could type it up.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:40:18
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Do it as penance for that description of The Godfather. What were you thinking?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:51:13
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any "overrated" list that doesn't have Wilco on it, doesn't have much credence in my book. though i do agree with "beat writers" and LOST IN TRANSLATION.
David Sedaris should be on there. that is guy is overrated.
Kathryn, what other Delillo books have you read (and disliked)?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:53:16
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I bet he watched them in reverse order and stopped in disgust after watching only one of the movies. Or he watched all three and was disgusted at how people kept coming back from the dead in what's otherwise a serious movie. :)
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:54:33
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I bet he watched them in reverse order and stopped in disgust after watching only one of the movies. Or he watched all three and was disgusted at how people kept coming back from the dead in what's otherwise a serious movie. :)
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)"
referring to me?
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:55:42
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What is Tom Waits doing up there? Bowie? Ergh, this stuff makes me angry. Sure, there is some merit to certain decisions, and I completely agree with Lost in Translation and the Royal Tennenbaums, but Tom Waits? C'mon.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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2638 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 11:03:05
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i didn't get the tom waits and bowie thing either... i guess it's because bowie has released a lot of stuff that's not top notch... and waits, well, he's hard to 'get' at times but the critics always seem to rate him highly.
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 11:05:09
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I suppose you're right about the Bowie thing. I'm still relatively new to his material, so I've only been exposed to his best. And the Waits comment is equally valid. It took me a quite a while to get used to Rain Dogs, but since then I've loved everything I've heard from the man.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 11:09:54
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"Don't get me wrong: I don't think it's a bad film, I just don't think it's a masterpiece. Perhaps it's the sheer weight of expectation. I didn't see it until I was 31, by which time I'd been led to believe my life was meaningless because I'd never got round to it. Eventually I set a Sunday afternoon aside and sat through it. And? Well, it's a bit slow, isn't it? That section in Sicily, with Italian dialogue? Probably should have been cut. And as for Marlon Brando, it's impossible to enjoy his performance without simultaneously recalling every bad comic impression of it you've ever seen. I have to point out that I still haven't see The Godfather Part II. If part one had been better, maybe I'd have got round to it by now. As it is, I can wait another 31 years, thanks." - Charlie Brooker
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 11:11:24
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God bless you, Sir Rock! My secret shame is that I could not sit through a whole screening of the Royal Tennenbaums. Could not do it. But if you didn't like it, then I am in excellent company!
floop, I have read and disliked Players, The Names, Mao II, Cosmopolis, Underworld and Libra. A long list, huh? I have a good friend (who is a neighbor of yours, btw) who adores him and keeps recommending his books and I read them so I might finally get what she's raving about. Seeing how long that list is I now vow to never read another DeLillo novel, no matter how highly my friend recommends it! But I did like White Noise. Why do you ask? Are you his biggest fan?
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 11:52:50
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I'm truly sorry about the cliché but it's all in the eye of the beholder.
When in doubt, remember Sturgeon's Law:
"90% of anything is crud."
Which is all that will ever have to be said about human creations, in the end.
I think a list of underrated artists/works would be way more constructive, but I guess it would be less fun for journalists to do. Sheesh.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 12:01:27
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Originally posted by bumblebeeboy2
quote:
Originally posted by NimrodsSon
Yeah, seriously, is there anything good that they don't think is overrated?!
¡Viva los Católicos!
erm, yeah. loads of things? why? are they all your favourite things on there?
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Well that was a little bit of an exaggeration, but Tom Waits, Pet Sounds, David Bowie...what the Hell are these guys thinking!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 12:14:42
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quote:
Originally posted by jediroller
I'm truly sorry about the cliché but it's all in the eye of the beholder.
When in doubt, remember Sturgeon's Law:
"90% of anything is crud."
Which is all that will ever have to be said about human creations, in the end.
My new, shorter sig.
Except for Frank. No one can tell me that 90 percent of Frank's work is crud.
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 12:57:50
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 13:09:53
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"Da Vinci Code" cannot be overrated because everybody with minimal taste knows that it sucks.
I agree with:
the strokes
pet sounds (album)
u2
bob marley
the rolling stones
nirvana
blade runner
the godfather
brian de palma
the sopranos
twin peaks
frasier
Add Nicholas Cage, Rousseau and everything by Pedro Almodovar.
I'll update it if I remember something, later.
PS: Did you read the whole book in 3 hours, Kathryn?
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 13:35:54
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 14:00:43
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Ones I really don't get:
James Brown (you can't judge him by today's act)
Neil Young (what's wrong with Neil Young, OK I can buy that his guitar playing is overrated, enough with the one note solos)
Bowie
Bob Marley (I only really know the Legends album, but those are some great songs)
The one I wholeheartedly agree with:
Twin Peaks
What I might add:
Citizen Kane (I'm no film expert and I don't really know how it compared to prior films, but the best ever?)
2001
Charlie Parker
Johnny Cash (I like Johnny Cash, maybe he doesn't belong here, but in the last few years his legend has eclipsed Willie Nelson, which just isn't right) |
Edited by - darwin on 12/04/2004 14:08:42 |
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