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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
 Posted - 11/22/2004 : 10:09:03
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I'm very proud of this incident, seeings how it happened right here in Michigan. The NBA definitely needed some spice, and what's spicier than players running into the stands and attacking spectators/fans? That's really bringing the fans into the game, they're no longer just shit-talking observers.
I knew where a link to a video of the brawl was, for the 1 person in the world that hasn't seen it already, but I can't find it anymore. Well, here's the chronology of what happened, jacked from some website:
November 20, 2004, 6:11 PM
Here is a look at the series of events in the brawl Friday night involving the Indiana Pacers, Detroit Pistons and fans at The Palace in Auburn Hills, Mich. The game was stopped when order could not be restored.
-- Indiana's Ron Artest fouled Detroit's Ben Wallace when he went in for a layup with 45.9 seconds left and the Pacers leading 97-82.
-- Wallace wheeled around and delivered a hard, two-handed shove to Artest's chin, which led to pushing and shoving with several players near midcourt.
-- Artest laid on the scorer's table with his hands behind his head, looking relaxed. Wallace tried to get at Artest, but was held back by teammates and coaches.
-- As players shouted at each other, Wallace threw a wristband toward Artest, who stood up briefly before laying back down on the scorer's table.
-- An unidentified fan near midcourt hit Artest in the face with a cup filled with ice and a beverage.
-- Artest stormed into the stands and attacked a fan, who he thought hurled the cup at him.
-- Indiana's Stephen Jackson joined his teammate in the seats and started throwing punches.
-- David Harrison, Eddie Gill and Fred Jones of the Pacers, Detroit's Rasheed Wallace and former Piston Rick Mahorn tried to break up the fight between Pacers and fans, who landed their share of punches.
-- Back on the court near Indiana's bench, Artest punched a fan wearing a Pistons jersey who walked toward him. After another fan tried to tackle Artest and was trying to stand up, Jermaine O'Neal ran toward him and landed a vicious right hand on his face.
-- Pacers players and coaches left the floor and were showered with beer, popcorn and assorted debris, including a folding chair.
-- Indiana's Jamaal Tinsley tried to go back on the court, holding a metal dust pan over his head before being turned back to the locker room.
Let 'em riot. We're Sonic-fuckin'-Death Monkey. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 10:24:15
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how many times do they need to show that shit on TV? i think it's pretty fucking lame myself. but that's just me. i am but one man.
one mans opinion
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 10:55:52
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Since I don't have TV I've only seen it a few times so I'm not entirely sick of it yet. I figured all of you TV people were already tired of it since every time I've been around a TV the last few days it's come on.
Let 'em riot. We're Sonic-fuckin'-Death Monkey. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 10:57:34
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| Yet another reason to watch college hoops instead of the NBA-- or, better yet, watch no basketball at all. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 10:59:23
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i don't watch TV either. but i was in Vegas and generally in and out of drinking establishments all weekend (had a friend visiting) and that's all that was ever on.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 11:02:39
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I think there was the brawl at the football game the next day merely to distract attention from the Pistons/Pacers brawl. People were tired of seeing one brawl all the time on TV so they figured they'd give the media some new clips.
Or it's all just a reaction to the Presidential election results.
Let 'em riot. We're Sonic-fuckin'-Death Monkey. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 11:12:22
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the door guy at this one bar i went to said there have been a LOT of fights at the bar. he said he thinks it's because of all the stupid sports fights.
it's like this wave of idiocy is sweeping across the nation
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 11:19:15
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I thought it was extremely funny. Am I the devil's incarnation? I need some morality.
Caminar sobre las hojas del otoño es romántico y resbaladizo |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 11:28:07
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quote:
Originally posted by whoreatthedoor
I thought it was extremely funny. Am I the devil's incarnation? I need some morality.
I guess if watching basketball fans being punched by athlete thugs is your thing, you must have been in seventh heaven. And that crying little boy must have made your day. |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:02:42
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Oh, I haven't seen the little boy! It could have been less amusing if there is a little boy involved.
Anyway, isn't it funny to see those rich guys fighting like homeless people? Sorry for being honest.
Caminar sobre las hojas del otoño es romántico y resbaladizo |
Edited by - whoreatthedoor on 11/22/2004 12:04:38 |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:11:30
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Originally posted by whoreatthedoor
Anyway, isn't it funny to see those rich guys fighting like homeless people? Sorry for being honest.
I agree that it would've been funny to see the millionaires beating the crap out of each other.
Although it wasn't cool for that fan to nail Ron Artest with the beer (a nice shot, BTW), it was even more uncool of Artest to go up in the stands and punch the wrong guy. I'm glad he'll get to sit home and lose $5 million in salary. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:13:30
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the crying kid sucked.
what sucks more is how obsessed everyone has to be about it. like, let's fucking show this clip non-stop for 3 days..
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:14:47
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| Ron Artest is a troubled individual. This will be good for him, he wanted to take a month off anyway, to promote the album he produced. As for Ben Wallace, he's generally acknowledged as a really good guy. A few days before this happened, his older brother died. Artest's foul, while especially brutal, was innapropriate and dangerous. He was trying to hurt/send a message to Wallace. And that's garbage. I always hear announcers talk with reverence about players who foul hard, or that won't allow and easy bucket. If a guy has the lane and there's nothing you can legally do about it, let him get the damn layup. Unless it's to save the championship point, hard fouls are getting out of hand. Players like Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Charles Oakley (from back in the day) are poor examples of good defender and poorer role models for young players. Basketball is a non-contact sport and thugs without skills are the ones who foul. None of that excuses what happened in Detroit. That was pathetic. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:17:51
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floop Posted - 11/22/2004 : 11:12:22
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the door guy at this one bar i went to said there have been a LOT of fights at the bar. he said he thinks it's because of all the stupid sports fights.
it's like this wave of idiocy is sweeping across the nation
Or microwaves - good ol 11Hz is all you need to beam out to have good friends knocking lumps out of each other.
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Moving from the clown to the jester will mean moving from similar to same, from alike to identical, from comparable to analogous. Though applied differently, the colours used on one can be used on another, and a couple of changes of costume will rapidly transform the jester into a clown and the clown into a jester. Strictly speaking, they almost duplicate each other as regards clothes and function, the only difference between them, from a social point of view, is that clowns do not usually visit the palaces of kings. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:21:41
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Two points:
1) I love this game!
2) You call that a brawl? You call that a fight? Ever seen hockey?
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:25:01
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quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Two points:
1) I love this game!
2) You call that a brawl? You call that a fight? Ever seen hockey?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank
1) Agreed!
2) Largley for this reason, hockey is gay. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:26:27
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dogs are gay
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:27:43
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Hockey fights aren't so much dangerous, with all that defensive equipment and stuff.
Caminar sobre las hojas del otoño es romántico y resbaladizo |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:29:31
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quote:
Originally posted by speedy_m
2) Largley for this reason, hockey is gay.
Does it means that Canadians are gay?
Caminar sobre las hojas del otoño es romántico y resbaladizo |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:35:01
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quote:
Originally posted by speedy_m
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Two points:
1) I love this game!
2) You call that a brawl? You call that a fight? Ever seen hockey?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank
1) Agreed!
2) Largley for this reason, hockey is gay.
Woeeeeeeeee! Don't be confusing me, Speedy. I am easily confused. I had to check your profile twice. Turns out I have found one of those rare extinct creatures that KOK is always after. The Rare Canadian Male Who Doesn't Like Hockey. The Latin name is Homus AntiHokeus. You're joking, right?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:36:17
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| Most of us. Though the government, in a "Noah's Ark" like effort, takes a few males and females every few years and forces them to mate. Just enough to keep the population near replacement levels. It's for this reason (all the Gay-nucks), that we have such liberal immigration policies. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:38:38
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| Yes kathryn, it's true. Straight, white, male Canadian who does NOT like hockey. In fact, I have two friends who fit the same profile. It's not easy being who I am in this country, but there's a small movement happening, and soon we hope to have equal rights under our charter. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:38:53
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quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
2) You call that a brawl? You call that a fight? Ever seen hockey?
So you would have preferred more of a "hockey style" fight between Ron Artest and fan-who-sat-next-to-the-guy-who-threw-beer? It would have been a heavyweight-vs-lightweight classic. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:42:27
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Gentlemen, gentlemen (and Coldie), all I'm saying is, I love the NBA and I love hockey for different and obvious reasons. One of the things I love about watching NBA action is the players' naked display of hubris, their
sheer stupidity.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 12:52:22
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Hey that's why people watch soccer over here. It's almost as if someone wants us to keep watching...nah. The reeeeeeeeeeeferee's a wanker!
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Moving from the clown to the jester will mean moving from similar to same, from alike to identical, from comparable to analogous. Though applied differently, the colours used on one can be used on another, and a couple of changes of costume will rapidly transform the jester into a clown and the clown into a jester. Strictly speaking, they almost duplicate each other as regards clothes and function, the only difference between them, from a social point of view, is that clowns do not usually visit the palaces of kings. |
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
819 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 17:28:32
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Many basketball players come off as immature fools with god complexes, and Artest is one of the worst. I've always wanted to like the guy, but every time I think he's becoming decent he has to lower the bar another three notches.
For whoever that said a hockey fight is less dangerous, I must disagree. I think hockey fights are almost as tough as it gets: for one, the protective equipment you cite doesn't cover the one part of the body subjected to the blows (unless some idiot wants to bust his hand punching a helmet), and on top of that, everything is very different on skates. You try keeping your balance on skates with some 100-kg beast doing everything he can to throw you down. If you can pull that off, try throwing some punches while you're at it. Goonish and ridiculous as it may be, hockey fighting definitely takes skill and I believe it to be one of the most treacherous forms of brawling we have.
Nothing is ever something. |
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dayanara
* Dog in the Sand *
Australia
1811 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 18:07:22
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Saw a dude get two of his fingers sliced off by another player's skate during a hockey fight once. He put his hand down to steady himself and someone whizzed right across it. Not pretty. He kept fighting, though, gotta give him that.
Around here, intolerance will not be tolerated |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 18:37:55
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I watched a clip on the net where an ESPN host referred to the Pistons fans as punks. I couldn't agree more. What was displayed was a perfect representation of what life in the Detroit area is like. That's why I left and more than likely will never return.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 19:45:29
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Hockey's not gay. It's just been overrun by the same people that voted for Bush in this election. (no offense to our resident right-wing contingent whom I largely don't lump in with this stereotype).
I'm just waiting for the NBA to start awarding points for fan beatings.
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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LBF1976
= Cult of Ray =
269 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2004 : 03:36:54
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http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=6681
If you haven't seen it.
I'm a huge fan of the NBA, it's probably my favorite sport.
This whole incident provoked a wide array of reactions from myself.
The devil on my right, and the angel on my left... i dunno
When It first happened I was scrambling around to find the latest news because I didn't know what the hell happened, and now it's everywhere and I am sick of it.
Don't throw shit at Ron Artest.
I think it's a shame he's out for the season, he's one of the best players in the league.
As much hype as this incident has recieved, it pales in comparison to the many soccer/futbal riots... people need to realize that... how many people have DIED at soccer games? in the past few years...
I don't know, it's kinda overwhelming...
There were a couple incidents in hockey in the past couple years, with the stick the face thing... that was pretty brutal, but recieved far less attention than this thing has...
Do you know how easy it is to sneak a gun or a knife into a NBA game? Once the riot started, you had better protect your neck. As bad as it was, it could have been much worse, and I think it's almost good as it has drawn attention to the security issues.
The devil in me is glad there were some ass kickings, the angel says, why didn't you just walk away?
And what really gets me, Artest is the most under-payed player in the league... 7 million a year? Give me a break... he should have been making 20... I hope he gets rehabilitated and comes back next year and plays hard...
But I am sick of this whole mess already, the shit happened, deal with it, and move on... who knows what will happen next???
I don't even have a favorite team (go roger federer)
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken. |
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