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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 11/04/2004 : 08:59:07
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Thanks Apl. We're on the same page.
As counterintuitive or futile as it might seem, now is the time more than ever to become active on the left.
The right is more powerful than ever now. We must not lie down. We must become more active, more visible and in some cases, more radical.
I pledge that I will become more active locally. One immediate thing is becoming involved in a new local chapter of a forest defense group.
Write letters, call congressmen, be informed. If you're radical, more treesitting, more marches, more activism. Be careful, but firebombing a few SUVs never hurt anyone either..except for the guy that is facing life for it.
What I mean is that I'm going to do more and risk more. What will you do?
Frank Black: The telecaster... It is simply the best one!
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 09:30:28
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Hell yeah!
I was reading through the "Democracy for America" site all last night. Those folks are a beacon of real hope. www.democracyforamerica.com
I plan on spending *at least* 30 minutes to an hour of every day doing something constructive towards enacting change. Sounds like very little, but it will eventually have an exponential effect. I plan on doing more to calm my nerves and center myself, and I have finally decided to listen to the sage advice:
"What you do in a 24 hour period is who you are."
I swear I didn't even notice who won in KY, KSR. My family is there. What's up?
(P.S. I know you were joking, but take heed. Things aren't so open these days:
www.livejournal.com/users/anniesj/331112.html )
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 09:40:50
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holy moly, apl that's more than a little distrubing
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 09:55:53
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Originally posted by apl4eris
I swear I didn't even notice who won in KY, KSR. My family is there. What's up?
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/KY/P/00/index.html
Jim Bunning (R) kept his senate seat.
Jefferson and a few other counties (like Rowan where I live) favored Kerry and Mongiardo. Much more Mongiardo support than Kerry. We really wanted Bunning gone, but alas - it was not to be.
I hope Dr Dan sticks around - we'll stick him in the congress somewhere in '06.
Frank Black: The telecaster... It is simply the best one!
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 10:21:15
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 11:00:09
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
yeah, marches are totally radical.
Damn, you're right. Marching is for sissies.
We need to be more extreme and go throw some tea in the water, KSR.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 11:54:32
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 13:17:51
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i'm going to do my part by NOT watching professional wrestling for at least 30 minutes a day. or 20 minutes..
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 13:34:40
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Well, floop - thats something.
Quit golfing too.
Frank Black: The telecaster... It is simply the best one!
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 14:15:46
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I'm gonna point the way to this site with transcript of speech by US senator who waved Library of Congress documents to show your electoral process has been little more than a diverting piece of theatre since 1933. If it's any consolation, so is ours.
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/TraficantUSBankrupt.html
I've posted about this before to no reply, but it was in the form of a not very compact rant. I'd like to know what you lot think of this.
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But whenever, as scholars sometimes do, I turned my back on books, declaring them to be the graveyards of the language, and sought contact with the simple folk, I encountered the little cannibals who lived in our building, and after brief association with them, felt very glad to get back to my reading in one piece.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 14:28:25
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Can you trust anything from a man with hair like this (he's also in jail for bribery, rackettering, and fraud)
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 14:34:29
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Yeah - Traficant's a fucking hilarious mess...but I will still try to read that speech.
Frank Black: The telecaster... It is simply the best one!
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 15:36:37
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quote:
Originally posted by KimStanleyRobinson
Write letters, call congressmen, be informed. If you're radical, more treesitting, more marches, more activism. Be careful, but firebombing a few SUVs never hurt anyone either..except for the guy that is facing life for it.
Well, did anyone participate in the Million Worker March that took place a short while back? (The AFL-CIO would not support it. Wanted to place all effort into backing Kerry...)
Worthwhile, but a bit of a flop.
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Difficult to be a go treesitting or march when you're working 8.5 (or 9, 10, 11, 12..) hours a day. Difficult to donate money to worthy causes when you're earning far less than you're worth.
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The I.W.W. is a group I've belonged to for a few years now.
Once a truly radical labor union. Still retains the ideology, but is having some diffuculty putting much of anything into practice right now.
Colorful history, somewhat uncertain near future.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 16:51:10
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Originally posted by Newo
I'm gonna point the way to this site with transcript of speech by US senator who waved Library of Congress documents to show your electoral process has been little more than a diverting piece of theatre since 1933. If it's any consolation, so is ours.
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/TraficantUSBankrupt.html
Well, it looks as though the guy that typed a "transcript" is also in prison at the time he made that page, according to the forwarding address at the bottom of the page.
Traficant was a notorious wacko that committed quite a few illegal acts that got him into prison. Unless there is an official or otherwise credible source for this supposedly now-"doctored" speech, I'm afraid I can't speak to your question.
"All right then," said the Savage defiantly, "I'm claiming the right to be unhappy." - Brave New World |
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TheCroutonFuton
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 17:06:47
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I'm with you, KSR and apl.
PS: The feds never came to my door, apl. Ha! You and your getting all paranoid - Bah, the doorbell, I'll be back to prove that it's not the FBI! (Probably the pizza-delivery person...)
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 21:55:31
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Nathan? Nathan?!?! NATHAN!!!!!
I'll get you, Mendoza!
 "Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 07:32:12
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I decided the other day that I no longer fear death. I have thought about going to college just to learn...not necessarily get a degree, but to learn about economics, political science, and history. I've had this idea for a while of writing up a little mini pamphlet with different topics every month or something...basically, just my theories and opinion...stuff like that. I want to become more active in the Democratic party as well.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 07:57:55
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well sheesh, guys, I don't care if you trust Traficant or not, I meant take a looksee through your grand library of public records for the invocation of the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719. There are official documents to be found in the Library of Congress, I'm guessing.
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But whenever, as scholars sometimes do, I turned my back on books, declaring them to be the graveyards of the language, and sought contact with the simple folk, I encountered the little cannibals who lived in our building, and after brief association with them, felt very glad to get back to my reading in one piece.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 12:23:58
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But it has just occurred to me that maybe since the guy accused the government of lying to its people for 70odd years, requiring official documents as criteria for proof might be like something out of a Joseph Heller book.
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But whenever, as scholars sometimes do, I turned my back on books, declaring them to be the graveyards of the language, and sought contact with the simple folk, I encountered the little cannibals who lived in our building, and after brief association with them, felt very glad to get back to my reading in one piece.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 13:10:08
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Originally posted by Newo
well sheesh, guys, I don't care if you trust Traficant or not, I meant take a looksee through your grand library of public records for the invocation of the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719. There are official documents to be found in the Library of Congress, I'm guessing.
That sounds like fun. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 13:34:41
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| I used to see Jim Traficant on CSPAN occasionally. The guy was riveting, and IMO a true patriot in the 18th century spirit of the word. I never heard anything from him that made me think of him as a "wacko," but I wasn't the least bit surprised when I found out he was going to prison. The US government tolerates free speech only to the point that it actually starts to have an impact on the status quo. Traficant is probably lucky to still be alive. |
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betty
= Cult of Ray =
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 22:05:47
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crouton fouton,
that is FUCKED UP!
whoa.
love,
betty
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 11/06/2004 : 10:48:48
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darwin Posted - 11/05/2004 : 13:10:08
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Originally posted by Newo
well sheesh, guys, I don't care if you trust Traficant or not, I meant take a looksee through your grand library of public records for the invocation of the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719. There are official documents to be found in the Library of Congress, I'm guessing.
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That sounds like fun.
Yeah I guess you're right. What time's American Gladiators on?
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But whenever, as scholars sometimes do, I turned my back on books, declaring them to be the graveyards of the language, and sought contact with the simple folk, I encountered the little cannibals who lived in our building, and after brief association with them, felt very glad to get back to my reading in one piece.
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2005 : 16:02:45
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So, a few months on.
What's everyone up to?
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2005 : 17:06:11
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I've singlehandedly revolutionized the tax code!
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 03/17/2005 : 17:20:11
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 03/17/2005 : 17:22:28
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I've caught a stupid bronchial thing that's been
kicking my ass for the last three months and I'm
in a foul mood because Honeycomb won't be released
until July and a Catholics tour has yet to be
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I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 03/17/2005 : 17:23:12
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i've become more involved in the human rights campaign and been calling/emailing senators/congressmen weekly
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2005 : 17:30:35
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I've petered out a bit.
I have written a few letters to the editor, played a fundraiser for the forest activist group, but honestlyand sadly that is about it.
Now we have the senate pushing drilling in anwar, logging in old growth starting out west...not to mention all the sneakey shit that is probably going on behind closed doors.
Call me a hypocrite and beat me with a wet noodle.
So, needless to say, if you were waiting around with five bucks in your hand waiting to buy my upcoming brochure Understanding Poop, you can put that five bucks away, 'cause it ain't happenin.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2005 : 18:09:10
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Do I have to? I was planning on EATING that wet noodle. It won't taste as good after being used as a whipping implement.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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zub_the_goat
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/18/2005 : 08:40:47
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theres just so much shit going on in the world, and in theory loads of people are concerned for the environment, human rights etc,..but then actually donig something, i spent literally a year planning fairtrade foughtnight at my uni, the first event got 6 people turning up, the rest got cancelled cos people decided they couldnt be bothered after all...unless its something like red nose day where you watch tv and give money nobody seems to be interested...i thought uni was when people were suppoed to be politcal and stuff
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/18/2005 : 08:52:46
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what about you, OBW?
You're the one who resurrected this thread.
So, needless to say, if you were waiting around with five bucks in your hand waiting to buy my upcoming brochure Understanding Poop, you can put that five bucks away, 'cause it ain't happenin.
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2005 : 10:59:00
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Same boat as the rest of you.
Most of my "activism" is through money donations to groups I identify with.
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Still a member of the IWW. An unsurprising number of co-workers (especially screeners) identify with the IWW, but feel since we work for a rather iffy dept. of the Gov't (DHS) it would be fairly hypocricitcal to voice much support.
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Trying to remain a, um, responsible consumer. When I cannot grow/make something myself I shop union and buy natural/local.
I do a little letter writing, but don't really feel it goes anyplace. I did get a fairly personal response from my VA House Rep, though. (Re: A bill involving credit unions.) That was nice.
Take a bite of the chocolate coffin. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2005 : 13:03:15
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I've donated money to various prostitutes, in exchange for sexual favors.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/18/2005 : 13:38:26
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Originally posted by zub_the_goat
theres just so much shit going on in the world, and in theory loads of people are concerned for the environment, human rights etc,..but then actually donig something, i spent literally a year planning fairtrade foughtnight at my uni, the first event got 6 people turning up, the rest got cancelled cos people decided they couldnt be bothered after all...unless its something like red nose day where you watch tv and give money nobody seems to be interested...i thought uni was when people were suppoed to be politcal and stuff
I wish i had a wooden heart that i could set on fire...
Why don't you ask Chris Martin to turn up? He'll do anything for Fairtrade.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 03/21/2005 : 07:12:41
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Had some serious changes in priority, currently redoubling our efforts to move back home, be closer to friends and family, and contribute to the community in various ways.
We finally joined the ACLU, gave to blackboxvoting.org, and made some simple changes in the way that we live and what we spend our time on (for exapmle, we hardly ever watch tv anymore - instead we spend more time in our respective studios being creative). Nothing huge, but I think it's gradual shifts in behavior that happen naturally and flexibly that will work best for me. The cynical/hopefull cycle is still there - and probably always will be. I am starting to realize that the way I feel or what I think on a daily basis about the general state of the world and the arguments over human nature/powers that be etc are all irrelevant when it comes down to it - if I can do something that is beneficial, then that's something where there was nothing before, where I used to just think and be negative (paranoid/overwhelmed/depressed) and *not do*.
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