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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
 Posted - 10/12/2004 : 17:07:31
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Argh. I'm sick to death of the ever-growing trend to house CDs in flimsy cardboard sleeves rather than sturdy jewel cases. The first disc of my copy of FBF came totally scratched up, and the second disc is leaning that way as well, each time I remove it from the package. CDs need to stay firm, dammit, and they can't rub against something whenever you take them out. That's ridiculous.
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2004 : 18:58:37
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Luckily I got it off itunes so its not broke :)
The Truth Is Out There |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2004 : 19:25:50
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i did itunes too and it cost me 24.99! thats ridiculous! will i buy a hard copy too? yes, but i can't find one right about now and i NEED it!
-brian
 - "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put on a blue jumpsuit"
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1615 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 03:02:04
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It seems to me that itunes is a ridiculous way to buy FBF.
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 07:34:51
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Yeah, it's sort of a collector's item more than an album, and I'm not really an MP3 collector.
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 15:56:48
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Wait, it cost MORE on iTunes than at the record store?
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 20:17:21
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Originally posted by VoVat
Wait, it cost MORE on iTunes than at the record store?
As a proud buyer of vinyl and/or CD for over 25 years, I have resolved to NEVER pay for an MP3. |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 21:24:09
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itunes is awsome quality!!!!! Altho it is a piss off bout the fbf price on it. But I got itunes for my birthday so im not even paying :)
The Truth Is Out There |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2004 : 22:44:21
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i got it on iTunes because i can't find it anywhere right now, and i'm quite impatient when it comes to getting records. and iTunes aren't mp3s.
-brian
- "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put on a blue jumpsuit"
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swfc69
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2004 : 06:07:56
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Got it off CDWow for £8.99 and free delivery.
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kingphilbert
= Cult of Ray =
USA
356 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2004 : 12:11:06
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I think the packaging is very nice. I do like card sleeves and a few of my fav bands use it on a regular basis. It's very clean and artistic. Kinda works for the whole collectors item special release thing. Now I have to listen to it.
"I mix twinkie's and ding-dong's all the time. In Europe, they call it a Dinkie!" |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 10:57:43
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I don't like the way the CDs are stored in the cardboard sleeve, but I do think cardboard is less likely to break than a jewel case. The whole package takes up less space, too.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 08:36:22
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Triakel
- FB Fan -
119 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 11:52:29
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First thing I do is rip the discs to m4a or FLAC for computer. Second is burn the discs onto good quality CD-R for portability. Then put "good" copy in my CD display rack and never use it.
I tried to wait for eMusic to come around with FBF, but they only offered two tracks. Then it was "Do I pay $12 at Amazon, get off my butt and go to the record store to pay $17, or sit here and click iTunes for $24?" I'm ashamed of my choice! |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 12:01:08
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i did the exact same think - i feel your pain triakel
-brian
- "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put on a blue jumpsuit"
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4109 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 13:14:37
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and my disc 2 is still with problems, what´s wrong with all this?
I even emailed cooking vinyl, but no answer...
...Love, love, ain't this enough
Pushing around
To find little comfort in words
But words
Well they cannot love
Don't waste them like that
Cus they'll bruise you more
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *
Chile
1315 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 16:48:07
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yeah! i have the same problem, I scratch the cd's every time that I use...I'd prefer a regular package.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2004 : 00:59:34
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I think it's one of the most beautiful packages
of FB entire career
I don't keep my cd's in it though
 "I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
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Rauck_stah
- FB Fan -
USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 12:33:04
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I don't like to buy mp3's off the internet. I feel like if I buy the cd outright, I get more of a deal because you actually get a jewel case and the artwork/booklet that it comes with. Maybe I'm in a small crowd of people who actually enjoy looking at the booklets. It's a package deal. You get more than music. You get entertainment.
Rauck Stah - The Man Who Is Too Loud |
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MMD
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
233 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2004 : 19:07:25
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Digipacks just feel classier than a plastic case to me, I like it. I generally take pretty good care of my cd's though so I'm not worried about it getting broken.
“Not since Orson Welles had one man so many fingers in so many pies, and been the chef as well. And then looked like he went and ate them all. The guy was out of control.” |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2004 : 03:57:07
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4109 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2004 : 07:09:04
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It´s very beautiful, I keep it in my desk so it´s always in front of me!
But it´s a shame that my disc2 doesn´t work well...
Valeu a pena? Tudo vale a pena
Se a alma não é pequena.
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Wade
- FB Fan -
115 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2004 : 13:53:31
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I bought mine at the closest local record store once I saw that there was no "volume/album" discount on iTunes, and immediately after buying it, opened it and saw one of the discs was scratched VERY badly, like a nail across it. I think the itunes thing is good if you didn't want the whole thing... but this isn't one of those things where you "find your favorite song by listening to snipets," so not appropriate for a release of this nature that seems directed at uberfans.
I like the look and feel of the packaging, or at least don't mind, and thought it seemed appropriate for a production such as this, but have to agree seems a bit abrasive. Luckily, after buying, I encoded and enjoy it mainly on my iPod and so never take the CD out of the case now.... so really I like it more than it bothers me.
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *
Chile
1315 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2004 : 19:53:15
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Is beautifull....I agree....but sucks!!..for example the could choose a package like the The Fragile album of Nine Inch Nails...the art work coulf fit into it.
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Aurora-borealis
- FB Fan -
Denmark
131 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2004 : 18:08:30
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| Feck, how I too hate the packaging! It looks nice and all but the thing won't fit (in?) my CD-rack! I'm annoyed beyond words... |
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Zadillo
- FB Fan -
23 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 21:44:08
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What was this about FBF being $24 on iTunes Music Store? I'm looking at it right now and it's $15.99.
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juepucta
- FB Fan -
Canada
6 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2004 : 17:07:01
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Make a backup copy with the PC/laptop. For some reason the laser lens on pc units are better than regular stereos. So copy the album(s) to your hardrive using the best possible audio quality you can; go for at least, at least 192 (Apple is by default 128, whichsucks, MP4/AAC bullshit or not), CD's are 1400+.
Then like somebody already said, burn yourself copies for everyday use on CDR.
I know it is a lot of work, when the case of a Cd should be "protective" in th efirst place, but hey...
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Zadillo
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/21/2004 : 17:11:41
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quote:
Originally posted by juepucta
Make a backup copy with the PC/laptop. For some reason the laser lens on pc units are better than regular stereos. So copy the album(s) to your hardrive using the best possible audio quality you can; go for at least, at least 192 (Apple is by default 128, whichsucks, MP4/AAC bullshit or not).
Then like somebody already said, burn yourself copies for everyday used on CDR.
I know it is a lot of work, when the case of a Cd should be "protective" in th efirst place, but hey...
G.
I'm sorry, what is it that sucks about the AAC audio codec at 128? I'm not an audiophile myself, but all the stuff I've either ripped or bought at 128 in AAC format has sounded fine to me, and I can't personally distinguish between them and MP3's at 192 (again, I'm not an audiophile, but I'm not sure that AAC is bullshit)
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mammynuns
- FB Fan -
85 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2004 : 08:53:00
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sorry if this has been posted before, i didnt feel like reading the whole thread BUT!
not only am i not angry about the packaging.... im actually really glad they put it together in such a way because: im sure that its cheaper to package it with the cardboard junk so thats probably why the price was so low for a double disc. see, im still in highschool...i dont really have a steady income.... i appreciated the few bucks it saved me!
also, i put them on my iPod so i dont have to take the discs in and out a lot. i do feel for you though. scratched cds are so depressing. |
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Ant
- FB Fan -
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2005 : 13:50:03
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| We've had this album in rotation at my radio station for a few months now and both discs still play fine. If a few dozen college kids can toss this around every day, I don't think the packaging is much of a problem. |
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juepucta
- FB Fan -
Canada
6 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2005 : 23:44:11
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A bit off topic but while i don't mind paper/cardboard -sleeves a la old LPs- the designers and manufactureres sometimes eff up. I just flipped over my copy of Neil Young's Mirrorball and voila: it has all these scratches that i know my old players are going to hate and be skipping on like there is no tomorrow.
The thing is made of very heavy (even "fuzzy") cardboard, like brown, package grade stuff, and any bit of dirt that sticks to it grinds against the disc when getting it in or out of the sleeve.
Meh.
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puredenizenofthecitizensb
- FB Fan -
Uzbekistan
150 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2005 : 12:56:21
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"CD rot" may not be true ( http://home.pacific.net.sg/~nawin/faq.htm ). However, most everything rots. We, ourselves, will most likey rot before our Frank Black CDs 
On a brighter note, the FrankBlackFrancis packaging is nice! I love it!
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/21/2005 : 16:10:24
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quote:
Originally posted by juepucta
A bit off topic but while i don't mind paper/cardboard -sleeves a la old LPs- the designers and manufactureres sometimes eff up. I just flipped over my copy of Neil Young's Mirrorball and voila: it has all these scratches that i know my old players are going to hate and be skipping on like there is no tomorrow.
The thing is made of very heavy (even "fuzzy") cardboard, like brown, package grade stuff, and any bit of dirt that sticks to it grinds against the disc when getting it in or out of the sleeve.
Meh.
And then there is the issue of CD-rot...
Yes, Neil Young's Mirrorball CD probably has the worst (in terms of how fatal it is to the CD inside) packaging I've ever run across. I don't know what they were thinking.
Personally, I'm in favor of packaging similar to the Frank Black Francis set. It feels good and it stands out on a shelf. My FBF CDs haven't become scratched by it, but some here obviously haven't had such luck. Ideally, in a package like FBF or Mirrorball, the CDs would have their own little paper/plastic inner sleeves (just like the inner dustsleeve with a vinyl record), though. Hopefully, this becomes the norm someday.
A great example of this is the double CD version of Sloan's One Chord to Another. The package is all paper, somewhat similar to FBF, but the two CDs have their own individual printed inner sleeves. |
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langdonboom
= Cult of Ray =
USA
260 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 06:55:43
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my problem with it is that its too wide to fit in my old-timey CD rack. I mean, maybe nobody uses those horizontal CD-holders anymore, and I don't even think they make 'em anymore (I usually nab them off the curb when I see someone toss one!) but its still forcing me to keep FBF away from my other FB CDs.
Enough to make an obsessive fan wash his hands one extra time.
Alienation confers freedom. Obscurity will keep you pure. Pray that you won’t be discovered young, so that you won’t be tempted to sell out early, or won’t be seduced by celebrity.
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