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QuaBear
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 Posted - 10/20/2025 : 14:25:03
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Originally posted by Jamie
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
Also I'm not claiming those are Pazs views but I remember she seemed to post something alluding to that or similar at one point.
I think she posted something in support of Milei in Argentina at one point.
Also it's being glossed over a little that she tried to raffle Pixies merch to raise money for Ariel Pink's legal defense, which to me is clearly crossing a line by associating the band with it. We also don't know how involved she was with Ariel Pink (who seems like an all-around scumbag) and how much he was around.
I forgot she posted about Milei. I didn't know about the raffling of Pixies merch....hmm....so many things going on here. Again, would have to look at multiple sources to really make an informed decision on what actually happened. |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/20/2025 : 19:49:17
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Originally posted by The Maharal
Didn't once mention Ariel Pink. Paz has her own views and didn't shy away from them on the socials.
Such as...?
The controversy in question when she was fired was about her friendship with Ariel Pink.
I remember reading everything I could about what happened and I never once saw any example of any political views Paz may or may not have. Do you have an example? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/21/2025 : 06:40:49
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She was happy with Milei becoming president of Argetina, I saw a Instagram story about that
I guess she knows way way way more about Argetina politics than I do, or Frank for that matter, but Milei seems a weird person to root for
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/21/2025 : 06:42:31
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Not sure if Frank can be in a band if he's totally against her political world view.
Her friend's political world view. Her friend.
It's all speculation from my part
But being a vocal supporter of Ariel Pink may be crossing a line
(and Milei, and maybe Trump)
Who knows?
I like some of Ariel Pinks music, but he's at least a dubious character.
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/21/2025 : 07:24:30
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Originally posted by billgoodman
It's all speculation from my part
But being a vocal supporter of Ariel Pink may be crossing a line
They are friends. I don't know if that means she's a "supporter" of him. I have friends who have politics I disagree with.
I have to admit I know nothing about Argentina politics, so I really don't know what any of that really means in regards to Paz's worldview, but maybe she has a more informed opinion on Argentina politics than we do?
So...is that it? I thought there were many examples Paz doesn't shy away from on social media. What else? |
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two reelers
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Posted - 10/21/2025 : 08:47:35
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Originally posted by billgoodman
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Not sure if Frank can be in a band if he's totally against her political world view.
Her friend's political world view. Her friend.
It's all speculation from my part
But being a vocal supporter of Ariel Pink may be crossing a line
(and Milei, and maybe Trump)
Who knows?
I like some of Ariel Pinks music, but he's at least a dubious character.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
And what line should that be? I have a different opinion on politics so I don’t like you/dont talk to you?
Sounds very unhealthy to me to judge people on their political opinions only, or to only talk to people you agree with.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/22/2025 : 00:53:36
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All well and good
Of course you should talk to people with different opinions
Just read Pink's wiki. He seems to enjoy pissing people off. Saying it's not illegal to be racist and that's just for starters
I like some of his music. I think artist should have a lot of freedom to express their visions.
But maybe Frank took the bait. Pink is also one of the "you can't say anything anymore"-crowd, which is a bit of a catch 22
That he was attending a Trump rally just before the Capitol attack could be considered a coincidence
Not a good look though
Trump and his list of forbidden words doesn't seem like a great supporter of freedom of expression himself.
As a band, or as a brand, I think it could be wise to keep some distance from people like him.
Giving out Pixies-shirts to support Pink is maybe crossing a line
That Pink picked Paz off from her last band meeting is a bit funny in that regard
Still speculation from my part
Could be both money, Pink, Milei and just general irritations in the tour bus
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/22/2025 : 03:20:15
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Sorry, don't want to start/beef up a political/ideology discussion here.
"Giving out Pixies-shirts to support Pink is maybe crossing a line." - This line for sure I would understand also.
I can see this all (the departure of Paz) from a more distant view, as I never got too much excited about Pixies 2.0 music anyway. With that said, I always had the impression that the cultural differences between an obviously more outgoing/lively South American character and three caustic, borderline-Asperger US eastcoast personalities were showing from time to time. So I wonder if that added to the "tensions" as well. Kim Shattuck also seemed to be more talkative/easy-going/here-for-fun, so it would be interesting what caused her departure (there was some mentioning of her crowd-surfing irritating the other 3 and/or the management, if I remember correctly). For sure, the "mysterious" / "straight-fur-music" Pixies-vibe is very much part of their style/legacy, so I don't complain about that. Just speculating...
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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Sprite
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Posted - 10/22/2025 : 03:31:55
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Originally posted by billgoodman
All well and good
As a band, or as a brand, I think it could be wise to keep some distance from people like him.
Giving out Pixies-shirts to support Pink is maybe crossing a line
That Pink picked Paz off from her last band meeting is a bit funny in that regard
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This seems very reasonable to me. This Pink seems to put at lot of noise in the system as we say around here. And that is very not Pixies brand. I'm sure we've all been in a situation at some point in our lives where we have a 'friend' that makes a (very) bad impression on other newer friends. The thought 'why are you hanging around with this idiot' has crossed my mind a few times in my life.
Instead of grumping at Frank & Co maybe I should direct my frustration at Pink who messed it up for Paz who quite clearly loved being a Pixie. Not much of a friend if that's true. |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/22/2025 : 20:20:44
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I'm still waiting for any of the many examples of Paz's political views that she supposedly spreads all over her social media...
Anybody? This was mentioned in this thread, and I've yet to see anything.
I don't care what Ariel Pink does. He's not in the Pixies and Paz can be friends with whoever she wants. Kicking her out of the band because of a friendship would be legitimately crazy to me. |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/22/2025 : 20:25:53
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Kim Shattuck also seemed to be more talkative/easy-going/here-for-fun, so it would be interesting what caused her departure
Dave mentioned she just was not tight enough rhythmically for him to be in sync with. Seems reasonable enough to me. I'm sure her stage antics pissed the guys off though. No fun allowed at a Pixies show! |
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The Maharal
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Posted - 10/22/2025 : 21:26:57
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| I suggest reading the thread again because no one has said there were 'many' examples. I said she didn't shy away from it. Are you Fissile in disguise? |
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The Maharal
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Posted - 10/22/2025 : 21:27:55
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Brank_Flack
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Posted - 10/23/2025 : 06:25:31
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
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Kim Shattuck also seemed to be more talkative/easy-going/here-for-fun, so it would be interesting what caused her departure
Dave mentioned she just was not tight enough rhythmically for him to be in sync with. Seems reasonable enough to me. I'm sure her stage antics pissed the guys off though. No fun allowed at a Pixies show!
Yeah, I've read interviews where it was Kim S. being too energetic on stage that caused the split.
re: Paz: I think at this point we've had enough examples to know that they are an extremely introverted bunch who at times have great difficulty with interpersonal dynamics. I know from my own experience what that's like. I've turned on roommates who used to be good friends for the smallest little habits that I would blow up in my own mind until I couldn't stand the person and would go to great lengths to avoid the awkwardness of running into them in common areas. It's not a mature or great, but some people are just like this. While there aren't mountains of evidence (though if you dig back earlier into the thread from a couple years ago, there are various copy-pastes/screenshots,etc), I do think there is enough smoke to suggest that Paz may have been going down certain political rabbit holes that may have caused her to start to rub off the wrong way on Charles and co. This isn't certain, but souring interpersonal dynamics caused by a somewhat sudden political friction (given how well they seemed to get along otherwise based on the podcasts, etc.) seems the most plausible explanation for the group suddenly becoming so averse to sharing a room with her that they felt it was either break-up-the-band or get a new bassist. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/23/2025 : 06:56:40
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Re Kim. S: The only comment on this YT video is also telling...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5AfnsBTmA4&list=RDt5AfnsBTmA4&start_radio=1
And note how Frank literally drags her off the stage at the end of teh main set.
But watching it, I think she was really, really great for the band and their performances. The contrast in attitude and stage presence to the three of them was really an add-on and not a distraction, in my view. I also like the bass tone and her voice.
Rest in peace, Kim S.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/23/2025 : 07:05:00
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Originally posted by The Maharal
I suggest reading the thread again because no one has said there were 'many' examples. I said she didn't shy away from it. Are you Fissile in disguise?
I don't know who Fissile is.
Saying "she didn't shy away from it" is another way of saying there are numerous examples. That's what "not shying away" from something means: that you do something boldly and excessively. I'm still waiting to see a single one. You're the one who said it, so can you answer this already? Ok, so now there aren't many examples. How about one, two?
I'd like to know if I'm a fool for defending Paz or not. It would really help me out. I can't find anything online.
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Also if you think anyone has a screenshot of an Instagram story from months ago you are being ridiculously optimistic and obtuse.
Oh, ok. So no examples. Got it. Can you describe what you're talking about then? What instagram story?
And just so we're clear, now instead of not shying away from her political views online, we're referring to a single instagram story that went away forever after a short time that most people probably didn't see? I follow her Instagram and I didn't see anything.
And if not you, since you seem to be unable to, can anybody here tell the rest of the class what Paz did? |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/23/2025 : 07:15:46
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Originally posted by two reelers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5AfnsBTmA4&list=RDt5AfnsBTmA4&start_radio=1
And note how Frank literally drags her off the stage at the end of teh main set.
HAHA oh my god. You found the smoking gun right here. If they were making a documentary about Kim S being fired from the Pixies, this is the footage they'd play over and over in slow motion.
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Originally posted by two reelers
But watching it, I think she was really, really great for the band and their performances. The contrast in attitude and stage presence to the three of them was really an add-on and not a distraction, in my view. I also like the bass tone and her voice.
I can see that. I mean, Frank can present his band however he wants, you know. He worked his whole life for these songs and he's in charge. And I respect that. But I also find Pixies to have very little stage presence, in terms of like, witnessing the personalities of the band. I have multiple friends who love the Pixies but who have little interest in actually seeing them because they say they are "boring."
They did shows recently where Frank told some stories about the songs (was it Trompe songs, etc?), and you know what? Nothing bad happened. The mystique of the band wasn't ruined because once the music starts it all comes back. That banter was fun to watch and I bet a lot of people in the audience appreciated it too. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/24/2025 : 01:45:43
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You're absolutely right about that. Frank is a good story teller. He can do it. But somewhow he doesn't want to.
Or Joey and Dave don't like it (because they have nothing to do)
The Insta story is quite simple:
She posted one of maybe two shorts about giving away Pixies merch if you did something to support Ariel Pink.
Not sure what you needed to do to support him. Give him money? Like his posts? Sign a petition.
I can't remember. I do know this was right after Pink got into some trouble by attending january 6th
Yes this is vague, and there must have been Pixies merch lotery's before, but from their main account?
My speculation is that she didn't ask permission or even discussed this with the other pixies or their manager.
I used to read some of FBF posts on Twitter and he is cleary opposed to some politicians.
I don't read Facebook, Insta and X anymore, exactly because of all the click bait and rage bait that Zuckerberg and Musk and I guess Pink seem to enjoy (and use for profit).
I just can't believe how good Paz and Pixies were in those podcasts and all of a sudden things soured between them.
Money can do that.
Politics, religion, too.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/25/2025 : 08:02:27
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Reddit has some info, but not a lot of screenshots. Some of the links are dead too.
That's the internet, and especially social media!
https://www.reddit.com/r/thepixies/comments/17m18mq/paz_lenchantin_is_an_embarrassment_to_the_band/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pixies/comments/1mvgbhf/hang_tough_new_single_from_paz/
https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/1b6ev3s/paz_lenchantin_on_her_exit_from_pixies_my/
I'm actually familiar with those threads. It's a lot of speculation and nobody who knows anything. Those threads are the same as this thread, actually, a lot of people just saying things with no examples, who sound particularly angry because of her friendship with Pink (which I can't emphasize enough, I do not care about.) People calling her Brazilian, etc. A bunch of people who don't know nothin'.
Like I said, I tried finding out the information myself because I couldn't find the implied more-than-one time Paz did not shy away from telling her political views on her social media.
But instead we're where we started: the Ariel Pink thing. Which to me, isn't good enough, and doesn't justify denigrating her as exposing her political views multiple times on social media.
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The Insta story is quite simple:
She posted one of maybe two shorts about giving away Pixies merch if you did something to support Ariel Pink.
Not sure what you needed to do to support him. Give him money? Like his posts? Sign a petition.
I can't remember. I do know this was right after Pink got into some trouble by attending january 6th
I totally get why this would be an issue with the band, but this seems too indirect a way of possibly hinting at her political views (if not just wanting to help her friend, even if she may disagree with his politics?)
I still wanted to see an actual example of her saying a political view on social media.
My only takeaway from this is that The Maharal simply invented the accusation because he dislikes Ariel Pink. I'm happy to be proven wrong here.
I know this seems antagonistic but I'm actually trying to bring some sanity here. It's not great to just say misinformation and accuse Paz of doing things she never did. Speaking in vague terms without giving an example ("Paz wasn't shy about" etc) is not helpful. I'd be curious to see a specific quote or post from her that shows one political view she holds. I'm not saying this doesn't exist, but it doesn't exist in this thread or anywhere I could see in those reddit threads. |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/25/2025 : 08:39:35
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Given how little concrete information we actually have, I think the political tension theory (with her posts supporting Ariel Pink's post-Jan 6 legal problems combined with her support for Melei, which are documented earlier in this thread and in those reddit threads) is probably the best theory we have, but with the caveat that it is ultimately at the end of the day just plausible speculation.
The amount of evidence that exists for Paz-as-populist-agitator was probably overstated in this thread, but I don't think it's unreasonable to make some inferences from what little we have that she was potentially to the political right of the band (or in particular Charles, who was posting about politics/against the Republicans a lot throughout the pandemic) and that this could account (at least in part) for the breakdown of their relations, so long as it is recognized that they are just inferences and could be wrong. |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/25/2025 : 10:33:08
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Well that's exactly my point, and why it annoys me to concretely state things as facts when nobody knows anything, in both here and those reddit threads.
Melei: like I said, perhaps Paz knows more about the politics of Argentina than anybody here? I'm just not prepared to throw her under the bus for that. |
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The Maharal
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Posted - 10/25/2025 : 10:53:16
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I don't dislike Ariel Pink. I used to like some of his music years ago after his Pom Pom album which had some fun songs (and several throwaway ones). He's also big into R Stevie Moore, just like BF. I kinda forgot about his existence until the Jan 6 stuff happened and then Paz's dismissal. He is a weird guy though with a lot of dirt to his name.
The Instagram thing has been referenced to by at least three other posters on here. That election result was two years ago right? Forgive me for not remembering the post exactly but it was a post congratulating Melei's election win. A far-right populist figure, similar to Bolsonaro and Trump. You can defend Paz. I don't hate or dislike Paz, she was a good bassist, but I've merely been trying to state why this support of a right-wing politician and her friendship with a pro-Trump musician may have annoyed BF and Joey. You can take issue with my 'shy away from' phrasing, fair enough, but that one post expressing support for a well-known right-wing figure (which we will never see again because it was a story and probably deleted as soon as their manager noticed it) would have been enough to rile BF, Joey and their management.
Pink himself HATES the band (and management). More of his ranting is here in the comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=506hhPfp5lc
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/26/2025 : 00:02:50
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Thanks, The Maharal, couldn't agree more
I was one of the people who speculated
And I believe everybody here was aware of that
I can't believe anyone has an issue with that
We are always mostly speculating here
So many people here have all kinds of ideas how Tom Dalgety pushes them in a certain direction
It's what we do
The BTE demos (best 2.0 output?) were used as evidence of his bad production skills even after the point that Dalgety produced them too. Speculating that he was more of an engineer, although the vinyl version credits someone else for engineering.
We debate pixies, I like that
I would never throw Paz under the bus, she was what made 2.0 work. Pixies are fools for letting her go. However...
Supporting Milei can be enough and would be enough for me.
I've read enough newspapers to know what kind of politician he is.
And I don't blame people cheering for him. Everybody has their reasons.
But it can be hard for a (working) relationship. Milei and Wilders and Orban and Trump are very in your face. Shock and awe and crossing lines, testing waters, saying it was a joke afterwards.
Making a meme of themselves. It's irritating.
Especially if I'm outspoken myself, like Frank was (which surprised me too)
Not sure if it would have to be an issue, just play the gig and record the parts in a studio.
But maybe there were discussions
Maybe money ánd this
I can imagine that
Still, Paz should have been a Pixie
Musically it was a match made in heaven
Who knows why they choose to walk away from that?
And I'm disappointed in how they handle their break ups
The fax in 1992/1993, Kim S, Paz now....
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/26/2025 : 05:22:32
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Originally posted by The Maharal
Pink himself HATES the band (and management). More of his ranting is here in the comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=506hhPfp5lc
If that's Ariel Pink himself we were pretty right on the money!
Pretty funny that he's all sympathetic and "the industry is against me" while he seemed to enjoy pissing people off all those years.
Well, he could always distribute his own tapes like R Stevie did!
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