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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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 Posted - 02/10/2004 : 12:28:30
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Well, I thought we'd have to wait till after Ep 3, but here we are... the original trilogy final available on DVD this fall:
http://www.theforce.net/holonet/index.shtml#23198
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GoddessTheory
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 12:46:18
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| It's just that you'll have to wit till after Ep3 for the "STUPPERIFICALLY EXTENDED MULTI EDITION 16 DVD SPECTACULAR SET WITH 1 DVD DEVOTED TO THE STUDY OF GEORGE LUCAS'S NECK WOBBLE" |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 13:02:59
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heHeHEhE. Cool, finally.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 14:25:02
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Sweet. Finally a Star Wars DVD worth purchasing
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2004 : 17:08:28
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Now, these are going to be the ORIGINALS, correct? Not the crappy Special Editions, I hope.
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 18:20:26
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No such luck. They are the special editions only. As far as jumpin' George is concerned, they are the de facto versions. The worst part is the whole "meeting Jabba" scene, but particularly at the end when Boba Fett practically winks at the camera. Disgusting.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 18:34:05
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I didn't mind the Jabba sequence, the end of Jedi was like a knife through my heart though. At least at first. I've since adapted and I did like most of the new footage like establishing shots and the more open Bespin, and I even like the new ending OK but, y'know, you don't mess with stuff that's gospel. I guess they were trying to de-cheese it a bit, but sometimes a person likes a big mozza ball.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 18:50:43
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Yeah, this sucks. I will give no more money to Lucas. I'm more than happy with my remastered VHS editions and old worn out 1980's tapes.
The new Jedi ending was, admittedly, pretty well done but still evil.
"The worst part is the whole "meeting Jabba" scene, but particularly at the end when Boba Fett practically winks at the camera. Disgusting." Manoman, I remember that. Personally, I never understood the whole obsession with Boba anyhow.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 19:49:19
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Please don't kill me, but I only saw the special editions. What was different at the end of Jedi? I haven't seen that one in years...
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2004 : 21:58:49
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A lot of new footage, completely different music. The other one was an ewok song "Yub nub / Cheeta Row Um". There are elements still when I watch and think, you know, he's playing the stormtrooper helmets and it used to sync fine musically and now he's playing them and it doesn't fit with the ending song at all. I don't think any footage was removed, but all those celebrations (including our first glimpse of Coruscant) were added.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 01:49:54
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I'm a purist. I think that everything that was done in the Special Editions is CRAP! I really hate the new end to Jedi. I love that original song. The only good part of the Special Edition was the inclusion of the deleted scene where Biggs and Luke talk right before they go to the Death Star in A New Hope. I don't think that audiences were able to gather that Biggs and Luke had been friends. I mean, Biggs is mentioned very briefly at the beginning of the film, but no backstory is established. And yeah, the inclusion of Boba Fett in the Jaba scene was stupid, they just threw him in there to have people go, "Oooh, Boba Fett." Which brings me to something that pisses me off greatly. We know that Jango Fett and Boba Fett were not supposed to originally be characters in the main focus of the Star Wars story, I'm sure that Lucas' original vision did not include this. Now, just to feed the fans, he had the Jango Fett character and included Boba Fett as a child. Sure, Boba Fett looks cool in Empire and Jedi, but that's about it. He hardly does anything. We don't need the way the story originally went being warped by marketing. Ah, hell, it all sucked to begin with anyway. Who knows how George Lucas managed to make 3 good movies to begin with? I know Georgey boy doesn't. He can't manage to make a halfway decent Star Wars film now. Damn him!
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 03:33:07
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Originally posted by El Barto
Please don't kill me, but I only saw the special editions. What was different at the end of Jedi? I haven't seen that one in years...
"Join the Cult of Brit / And let your oral hygiene go out the window."
MY GOD. More films you need to watch before you come any where near me me dear!!
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Stuart
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China
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 05:07:46
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Does anyone know what the special features are other than interviews with George Lucas and the other cast??? I'm a little bored with Star Wars seeing as I have watched them a billion times, and the new ones are cack. Mind you I'd probably buy the new dvd just to have it.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 05:57:39
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My god, Gypsy Death. Your catchin' up to me on quantity of posts, and you've only been here since the beginning of last month. I've been a member for almost a year. I guess I'm just the silent type on here. And it's not about quantity, but quality. And what an important post this one was.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 06:09:34
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Of course, I say that Lucas is deviating from what he originally intended, but he does that a lot. Even the original trilogy has plenty of that:
Although it is often claimed by George Lucas that Star Wars was always intended as part of a series (originally nine parts, later six), producer Gary Kurtz claimed differently in a interview in 1999. According to Kurtz, Star Wars was meant to be a standalone film. It was only after the film's incredible success that he and Lucas got together to consider sequels. They came up with the idea that Star Wars was the fourth story of a nine-part series and penned rough outlines for each episode. After releasing the "fifth" episode (The Empire Strikes Back (1980)), Lucas made Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) with Steven Spielberg. The success of this film convinced Lucas to increase the emphasis on action in the "sixth" Star Wars episode. According to Kurtz, the Emperor was not originally going to make an appearance until episode 9. Luke and Leia were not brother and sister. There was no Death Star II. The search for Han Solo was the main plot of the film, during which Luke would have furthered his Jedi training. Solo was going to die in the final battle. Luke was going to go off to complete/continue his Jedi training and Leia was going to resume her position as Queen of her people, separating the major characters in a "downer" ending similar to that of Episode 5. Kurtz strongly objected to Lucas' changes and insisted they should stay with the story they had originally planned. Lucas just as strongly disagreed and the two parted company. (Kurtz left to make Dark Crystal, The (1982) with 'Henson, Jim' and hasn't worked with Lucas since.)
To stop anyone from asking, "If it's true about it originally being a standalone film, why does it say Episode 4: A New Hope" at the beginning? Simple. It didn't always say that. The title Episode 4: A New Hope was added for theatrical re-releases in the early 80s, I believe, to match with the scroll in Empire.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 06:18:59
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I thought I'd also add this. I found this on a newsgroup. I'm almost positive it's bullshit, as it was posted quite some time back, but the story that this guy has concocted is likely to be better than the one George Lucas comes up with.
Beyond the rumor mill, there is Truth. . . Truth Vader.
I am an electronics/computer technician with a firm that is
responsible for maintenance at both ILM and Skywalker Ranch. There are
several peculiarities involved with my job and the tasks that I must
perform that allow me access to snippets of plot, dialogue, and action
of the film. What I am providing for you, here, is garnered from
everything that I have seen or heard.
I'm not going to pretend that I have everything about the story before
you (I don't know how Mace Windu dies), but I have been very
meticulous in weeding out anything that bares no relevance to
everything else. Everything I am putting down here comes from what
has come across my path on repeated occasions. In other words, it is
unlikely that I am relating to you is any kind of plot 'decoy.'
One of the most striking things about Episode III is the way George
Lucas is going to resort to planting a plot twist via family
relations, as he likes to do (E.G. Vader is Luke's father; Leia is his
sister; the (entirely unnecessary) relationship between Boba Fett and
the infamous Clone Army). It is almost too easy to presume that
Senator Palpatine is Darth Sidious--he who will become the
Emperor--especially since they are played by the same actor. However,
Lucas' plan for Chancellor Palpatine, as it will be revealed in
Episode III, is not to make him the Emperor, rather the Emperor's
brother.
The mystery as to who Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas is will be solved in
Episode III (Lucas still hasn't decided on a name) when it is revealed
that he is actually Senator Palpatine, who faked his as a Jedi in
order to fool his brother, Sidious. This is knowledge that very few
Jedi are privy to, in order to protect their weakening powers.
Sifo-Dyas /Palpatine ordered the clone army, then entered politics, in
anticipation of Sidious' attempt to gain control of the galaxy with
the assistance of the Trade Federation's army, as well the armies that
are being built by all the factioning systems.
Anakin's final turn to the Dark Side--and his subsequent betrayal of
all who he loved and protected (the Republic, Amidala, Kenobi, etc.)
comes right at the time Amidala is giving birth to Luke. (He senses
only Luke in her womb, due to Luke's already great presence in the
Force.) Right at that moment, Anakin experiences a surge of emotion
that triggers something of a flashback to his own mother and her
death--sort of like going from one mom to another.
He realizes, then, that his mother would not have died had Amidala, as
the rich and powerful leader of Naboo, repaid the fact that Anakin
liberated her planet by paying to have Shmi (Anakin's mother) freed.
Bartering one of the Naboo fighters would have done the trick in lieu
of Republic credits.
Furious and indignant, he exits the scene, vowing off the Jedi order
and the Republic, as well as Amidala. Kenobi, who is present, watches
as Anakin throws aside his saber, saying something to along the lines
of, "Maybe he (Luke) might do something to make the all you worthless
Jedi formidable."
This happens at pretty much the conclusion of the Clone War. Despite
victory, the integrity of the Republic is very weak, and desperate to
sustain itself against its ever growing list of disillusioned enemies
who are building armaments.
The Federation ceases all trade (remember the UPS strike of 1997, and
how it affected the economy? Or more recently, the longshoreman's
strike in California), and the Republic decides that the best way to
preserve itself is to become fully militarized, rather than rely on
diplomacy and politics.
It is around this point where a lone, vengeful Anakin encounters Darth
Tyrannus. Despite his powers, Tyrannus loses the battle against
Anakin. This alerts Sidious to Anakin's power and susceptibility, and
before long, gives Anakin the final enticement he needs to join the
Dark Side.
Matters between the Republic and its enemies are somewhat resolved by
more-or-less merging the two entities--by turning over the broker's
share of power on the condition that the democratic segment--the
Senate--remains mostly intact (it wasn't until Episode IV that the
Emperor disbanded the Senate).
Some stability to the galaxy through this new Empire, who reassimilate
the factioning systems through both political manipulation (i.e.
revoking their voting priviledges until they submit to the new
government), or conquering them militarily.
Had this NOT been the design of Sith, and had Palpatine/Sifo-Dyas not
told the Jedi council what his brother was up to, the Jedi (who had
lost several of their brethren throughout the conflicts) would not
have gotten involved. But that the Dark Side should rule was
unacceptable.
They form the roots of a Rebellion--although it's more like a crusade
against the Emperor. Anakin, now Darth Vader, actually resorts to a
Sith trick against the Jedi: he manipulates several of them to hate
the order as he does--essentially turning them into Sith--and they
extinguish themselves. He hunts after the rest. This is where Kenobi
picks up on Vader and confronts him, and essentially destroys him.
At Amidala's request, and knowing that Luke and Leia can be powerful
enemies of the Emperor, he hides the two with their respective
guardians: Owen and Beru, and the Organas.
Yoda, who is angry at Obi Wan for failing to be earlier on the alert
with his student (and thus forbids him to train Luke), and who is yet,
himself, too weak to fight for the Jedi cause, takes refuge on
Dagobah. He orders Obi Wan, to keep close to Luke until he is old
enough to train, and to bring Luke to him.
However, when the time comes, Luke's Uncle Owen becomes defiant at the
idea--remembering how Anakin turned out to be--and threatens to inform
the Empire of Obi Wan's existence and his intentions if he comes
around anymore.
For the Jedi, it seems, all is lost.
The last, hopeful note is found with the passing of a few years on a
nearly completed Death Star, where Senator Organa (the Elder) is being
given something of a tour of the station. The Emporer's hope, here,
is that mere knowledge of such a monstrosity will be enough to quell
the peace-loving systems. . .intimidation.
However, Bale Organa has R2-D2 right at his side. . .
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mcmikey
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 06:28:21
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I wish that actually were the storyline for Ep3 since I"m sure it's better than what we'll end up with
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11690 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 06:45:32
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I think Lucas said in an interview that he had written one movie and realized it was too much material, so he broke it down. He did the movie he thought was best as a standalone since he didn't really think it would be a big hit, and of course, it was...
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
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TarTar
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 06:50:56
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Lucas might say that he intended all 9 films to be one, but that's bullshit. I find it difficult to believe he had that much mapped out so early on. He says that he had so much planned out to make it seem as if he had this great artistic vision.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2004 : 07:28:12
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Lucas is a fucking liar. With each new trilogy he says it was all a part of the original plan. He lies!!! He lies!!! Not to mention that the prequels suck ass and the sequels will most likely suck ass too. If that's not an indication of an "artist" who has lost what little talent he had over the years, I don't know what is.
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Bryan Shepherd
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USA
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 15:59:31
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I thought it was announced that there will be no episodes 6-9...
Thing that suck about the SPECIAL editions:
1. Han's first scene in the Tatooine bar now has Greedo shooting first. When Han shoots him, it's self-defense, not the act of a kill-or-be-killed badass smuggler.
2. When Luke falls into the exhaust port on Bespin after Vader cuts off his hand, he screams like an injured 6 year old. Originally he gave Vader a "I'll die before joining you" look and silently let go. Now you might think that he just slipped. Ooooooops!
3. No special edition footage of Slave Girl Leia. Why don't CG some more harem girls, Lucas? Oh, that's right, because it looks FAKE (see ridiculous Jabba appearance in Special Edition A New Hope).
Still the fairy tales of my youth, though. I'll just keep on watching my OG Star Wars VHS box set.
May the Frank be with you!
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 16:09:37
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He still says "I'll never join you". And didn't he always screamed like that? I only have the THX and Special Edition versions, but he screams in both of them.
The one scar from the special editions that never healed was that scene with Greedo, though. The whole point was that Han was quick on the draw. Now the point is that he's lucky to have his head since Greedo shot first. That ticks me off.
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The Holiday Son
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France
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 16:26:09
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good things about the SE: the landscape of bespin through the windows. Biggs' scene. Seeing the trilogy on a big screen.
bad things: all the rest.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 02/11/2004 : 16:33:41
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I'm pretty sure Luke doesn't scream in the THX version. I don't feel like checking it, though.
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