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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
 Posted - 02/06/2004 : 17:32:09
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(Vinny is sitting on the couch in the living room, eating some food, listening to jazz music. Justin walks in the front door, which is in the living room)
Justin: Hey, what’s up, man?
Vinny: Not much. Where you been?
Justin: Down at this Eye on the Environment thing. It was really amazing. Check out this bumper sticker I got from this guy.
(Justin pulls a bumper sticker out of his backpack and hands it to
Vinny, who looks at it)
Vinny: (reading) “Doctors should teach nutrition, not pharmaceutical addiction”
Justin: Isn’t that a great message?
Vinny: (after a moment) I don’t know.
Justin: You understand the message, right?
Vinny: Yeeeah. It’s just... I don’t know, I think that teaching how to live a healthy lifestyle is a good thing, but I mean, I think there are a lot of situations where it doesn’t apply.
Justin: What-- what do you mean?
Vinny: There are plenty of health issues that aren’t really related to peoples diet.
Justin: Like, what specifically?
(Vinny gets up and takes his plate into the kitchen. Justin follows him as Vinny explains)
Vinny: Well, you know, there’s chemical imbalances in the brain that cause things like obsessive compulsive disorders and depression. Those are totally unrelated to how someone maintains their body.
Justin: No, I think that someone’s, like, mental state is really affected by their diet.
Vinny: That’s totally untrue.
Justin: How can you know?
Vinny: How can you know what you’re saying? Where do you get any of these facts?
Justin: It’s just my opinion. How I’ve taken what I’ve experienced and heard and interpreted.
Vinny: What?
Justin: I just think... I feel that everything is energy, man, and everything around us, as well as what’s away from us, somehow plays a role in how we feel. But what’s especially important is what is directly around us, and especially what we put in our body.
Vinny: Yeah, sure, what we eat has an affect on how we feel, possibly even mentally, but it’s not the only thing factoring in. There’s more to the way the body and the mind function beyond what someone eats.
Justin: You’re totally missing the basic message. People just want to avoid dealing with their problems and take legalized drugs to avoid themselves and their problems.
Vinny: Justin, Justin, Justin!
Justin: What?
Vinny: You’re always pushing for the legalization of marijuana. You love pot. You smoke it every day. And you often resort to alcohol, a legalized drug, as a solution to your problems.
Justin: What!?! Not anymore.
Vinny: You were drinking last night!
Justin: For recreation. For fun, man. I hadn’t seen Wexler in ages.
Vinny: Well, I just--
Justin: Are you calling me a fucking alcoholic, man?
Vinny: No, no, I’m just saying that you use drugs to alter how you feel, to escape a pain, to soothe a hurt. You can’t say that it’s wrong for people to take drugs to help themselves.
Justin: Well, I just dig the message, man. Maybe that’s something I have to work on. I’m not fucking perfect. I never said I was!
Vinny: Now calm down.
Justin: You just start labeling me a fuckin’ pothead, a fuckin’ dipso!
Vinny: I never said you were any of those things. All I basically said was that you’re in no place to side with the message behind this bumper sticker.
Justin: I can side with it. I think it’s a positive idea. Just because I might not be the best example of it being practiced doesn’t mean I can’t strive to follow the message here.
Vinny: You’re the opposite of the message.
Justin: Hey, fuck that, man! I’m not insulting you. Have I insulted you once yet?
Vinny: No, no, I’m sorry.
Justin: Fuckin’ bullshit, man. I’m just trying to expand your horizons. Your viewpoint needs to be broadened, and all you wanna do is criticize me. What’s up, man? What did I fuckin’ do to you? Are you pissed at me about something?
Vinny: No.
Justin: No, I think you are. I want you to be pissed at me about something. I hope I fucked up real bad, or else I’m gonna be fuckin’ pissed that you’re being so negative.
Vinny: Whoa, okay, okay, man.
Justin: Now just tell me what I did?
(Vinny walks back into the living room. Justin follows)
Vinny: Well, it’s not so much one thing.
Justin: Uh-huh.
Vinny: It’s just been... lately, living with you, it’s just been...
Justin: What?
Vinny: Well, it’s just, we’ve been friends for a long time, and... I
don’t know, it’s just been kinda rocky lately. I just haven’t... enjoyed being around you.
Justin: Yeah? Well, you can’t just take that out on me. I can’t be the only thing causing negative energy.
Vinny: Hey, yeah--
Justin: I come to you trying to share a message that I found really positive, and you got nothing but negative.
Vinny: Justin, I can’t deal with this now. I have homework.
Justin: Oh, no! You’re not getting out of this now. You can’t just say we’re not friends anymore--
Vinny: I never said that. You’re putting words--
Justin: Are we friends? I don’t think we are. I don’t feel like we are.
Vinny: I can’t deal with this. I really can’t.
Justin: You’re the one who brought it out. If you didn’t want to deal with it, then you should haven’t pushed all that shit at me.
Vinny: Well, I just told you how I felt about the bumper sticker.
Justin: The what?
Vinny: The goddamn bumper sticker!
Justin: Oh, man! (he suddenly laughs) Oh man....
Vinny: (nervously laughs) What?
Justin: Oh, that’s so fucked up, man. I totally forgot where this all started.
Vinny: (laughs) Yeah.
Justin: Oh, I am sorry, man. I mean, we gotta talk about this, but that was just totally....
Vinny: A moment of clarity?
Justin: Yeah, I was flipping out, man.
Vinny: Yeah.
Justin: The energy in this house has just been so weird lately. I think it’s just getting used to living with so many different lives around me.
Vinny: Yeah.
Justin: It’s not like it’s the first time I’ve been around a lot of people all the time.
Vinny: Yeah, but when we lived on Axtel, it was pretty bad, but we were all just too fucked up to know it.
Justin: Yeah, except for you , man. You were the only person there with focus. Only person in school. How did you fuckin’ do it, man?
Vinny: Oh, God, I don’t know. I felt like I was pretty out of sorts then, but maybe it was just everyone else living there that I was feeling that from.
Justin: I can’t believe the place didn’t get raided, man.
Vinny: Oh man. What a fucked up time.
Justin: Really fucked up, man. Really...
Vinny: So... is everything...?
Justin: Yeah, man. I don’t know. We’ll talk later. If you gotta do your homework...
Vinny: Yeah, I really do have to get working on it. I’m glad we came out of that in a snap.
Justin: Yeah, well, it was, like, the point of no return, and when I realized I didn’t even know where I had started from, why should I try to go to a finish, when I probably wouldn’t even know when I got there, either.
Vinny: (laughing) Yeah, that’s a good way of putting it.
Justin: Yeah, it‘s the best way I can describe it. Well,, alright,, man, go do your thing. I’m sorry.
Vinny: I’m sorry, too.
(The two hug)
Justin: I’m gonna go over to Kaplan’s and have him show me some of his new photos.
Vinny: Cool. Tell him I say hi.
Justin: Right on, man, I’ll do that.
Vinny: See ya.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 18:46:36
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I have a friend who thought that food could put bad energy in you. "Like, what if the cow was depressed and then you like, drink its milk? Then all of its negative energy is in you."
She tried to put positive energy in my bonsai tree. The fucking thing died. I have some weird friends.
 "I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye" |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:21:53
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Is her name Kitty? Supposedly there is this girl named Kitty who is the female version of the guy I based Justin on. I'm certain he's said something about eating something that was depressed and that having a negative effect on the consumer.
Was this girl into crystals?
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John Dark
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54 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:25:52
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:27:28
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If you like.
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John Dark
- FB Fan -
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:29:17
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:33:18
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Now I'm intrigued.
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John Dark
- FB Fan -
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54 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:40:38
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I'm still new. I don't want to start off on the wrong foot.
I'll come back to this thread when I have 400 posts. |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:42:51
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That's cool, then. At the rate we're going here, you'll have 400 posts in this thread alone. :)
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John Dark
- FB Fan -
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54 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:45:37
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2004 : 09:20:20
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quote:
She tried to put positive energy in my bonsai tree. The fucking thing died.
Maybe too much positive energy can be just as bad as negative energy.
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2004 : 12:42:55
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Or maybe just too much damned energy. She might have fried it. 9 volt or wall plug?
 I looked for a cult to join, then decided to just play "Sink". Hey! I sank WallaWalla Washington! |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2004 : 13:19:05
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no, her name isn't kitty. I think she scared the tree to death but I have another now that is doing quite well free of energy.
John Dark, what gives? Saying you "better not" is pretty insulting. You should just say what you have to say; it's better than hinting.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2004 : 13:35:48
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Well, I ain't no crystal-hippie, but it has been proven in scientific research that giving personal attention to plants (sending positive "energy" via speaking to them specifically), caused them to grow faster, and produced healthier plants than those that were not given the attention.
Similar things have been tested in double-blind studies concerning hospitalized patients who were not told they were being "prayed for", but most of whom ended up recovering and leaving the hospital in far greater numbers than the other patients.
I think there's a lot we don't know about, that right now just seems like hippie new-age mumbo-jumbo; with most people who talk about it avidly, it is. I don't think many people really know what they are doing or talking about. I think there is something there - and western science has a long way to go to catch up.
Exhibit A: my husband had a debilitating headache that no doctor could diagnose or even alter in intensity with very powerful and dangerous drugs. After about 5 months, he tried acupuncture. 12 visits and it was gone.
"Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen."/"Our house has seven doors, all are green...except one, which is yellow." |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2004 : 13:57:01
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good points apl. I considered accupuncture for my headaches but never ended up doing it.
I've heard about those studies. Some ex-CIA guy wrote a book about treatment of plants. I agree that there is some connection but talking to them probably makes them grow faster and healthier partly due to the carbon dioxide you're tossing at them.
The girl I'm referencing tried to give energy through her hands. My girlfriend's sister once tried to take the negative energy out of a sore my gf had. She sat there for hours pulling at the air above it and "tossing it away" by jerking her hand and flicking her fingers. I'm sorry but that's just loony.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2004 : 15:11:15
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Yeah, Apl's talking about people who actually try methods that logically could work. Plants receiving signals and responding through music, the environment around them, what their caretaker did, see, that makes sense. Patients knowing that people out there care for them finding it in then to pull through, that makes sense. Just harnessing energy through your hands zapping something with it, it's just someone wishing to be so much more than they are without understanding shit about this "energy".
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2004 : 17:25:45
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
good points apl. I considered accupuncture for my headaches but never ended up doing it.
I've heard about those studies. Some ex-CIA guy wrote a book about treatment of plants. I agree that there is some connection but talking to them probably makes them grow faster and healthier partly due to the carbon dioxide you're tossing at them.
The girl I'm referencing tried to give energy through her hands. My girlfriend's sister once tried to take the negative energy out of a sore my gf had. She sat there for hours pulling at the air above it and "tossing it away" by jerking her hand and flicking her fingers. I'm sorry but that's just loony.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye"
Hahahah! 'scutor, that's hilarious! What in the world were they thinking? Oh, then again, I do remember playing with Ouija boards, and playing "Light as a feather, stiff as a brick" at slumber parties. I'm guessing that last bit is gonna come back to haunt me. heheh
But, as far as the plants go - that would of course be a possible conclusion, to think it was the breath, CO(2) being expelled, but the researchers accounted for that, of course. The people were in another room, the plants were in a completely controlled environment.
"Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen."/"Our house has seven doors, all are green...except one, which is yellow." |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2004 : 17:32:05
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Originally posted by TarTar
Patients knowing that people out there care for them finding it in then to pull through, that makes sense.
In the example I spoke of, I stated that the patients were never told that they had been prayed for - it was a "double-blind" study. Obviously, knowing someone cares about you makes a huge difference. The results from this study freaked a lot of skeptics out. I believe it was repeated and received the same results as well. What gets my knickers in a twist is that some people are taking this information and running with it as proof of God, when who knows whether non-specific or non-religious "meditation" or prayer" or some other form of directed care is applied. I didn't mention it before, but the people praying had no idea who it was they were praying for -they were only given a name and told that it was a patient in a hospital. I'm not sure whether they were told the ailment.
"Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen."/"Our house has seven doors, all are green...except one, which is yellow." |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2004 : 19:31:30
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I've heard about that study. freaky stuff man. I hope it's true because I'm pretty down on the Higher Powers lately what with all the bad stuff going on. Crouton, are you out there?
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2004 : 07:26:26
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Crazy stuff. I love trippy shit like that. Just don't inform me of such things when I'm stoned, cuz I won't be able to comprehend it and will think too heavily on it.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1968 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2004 : 07:27:47
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Actually, I wouldn't be able to fathom it. I certainly could comprehend it, but to be able to accept it as fact and look at it as just being interesting wouldn't be possible. My mind would be all boggled and flipped. You know what that reefer can do to a fool.
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