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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 02/03/2004 : 20:37:25
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ok, this is a really shitty, self serving topic but I'm about to begin a project (which I'll post about later) that will require as much free email space as possible. I want to hold off on paying to expand the email for as long as possible so do you have any suggestions? I went to email.com, yahoo, hotmail and lycos. It seems that email.com is offers the most free space (10MB) and lycos is the cheapest to expand. There must be others out there. Any really good deals or amzingly huge free emails that you know about? Thanks a lot for the help.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 02/03/2004 : 23:00:52
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2004 : 23:17:04
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you know, I'm not too familiar with outlook express. Does that basically relocate your mail storage to your hardrive? I wasn't able to use it on my old computer for some reason (it was buggy) but I just got a new comp so maybe I could try that. If you could tell me just what it does or how it would be helpful I'd appreciate it. Thanks for responding.
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Starla
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Ireland
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 08:47:21
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www.campus.ie 25 mbs.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 09:27:02
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Oh god, don't use Outlook, realmean. That's where most of the virus/worm problems come from - you cannot disable the Active X settings (a "feature" according to MS) which are a primary tool for most attacks. Besides, Outlook sucks, as you have noted already - it is buggy and awkward.
All you need to do is download a browser suite that includes email, such as Mozilla or some other browser, and check with your internet provider to get the proper settings to fill in the appropriate boxes to set up your mail account -your ISP should already provide at least 2 or 3 addresses in the cost of your service, including access to Newsgroups and IRC to boot.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 09:55:48
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Well..apl has her opinion.
Mine is that Outlook Express (OE) is awesome, i've been using it for about 6yrs. It's free, you can have an endless # of email accounts. Just don't open any attachments. =)
You're right in that it lets you store all your email on your HD.
You can sign up with Hotmail, and there's a built-in interface, but it's rather sucky.
My 'free' email of choice is Yahoo. It's got full POP3/SMTP features as well. (Perhaps not with Yahoo.com but definitely with Yahoo.ca for some reason.)
I've got about 60 seperate 'mail boxes' for all the various things i'm involved in.
Very handy.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 10:03:17
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hmmmm, helpful. Thanks so much guys. I don't even know if I would be able to figure out how to use Outlook. After my failure with it a few years ago I'm hesitant to try again. I also don't have an ISP; I'm on a school network. I use Opera (similar to Mozill, I guess) but had no idea it could handle email. I still really don't understand it. I'm so very inexperienced with these things. maybe I'll take a look at outlook but my project would require me to open attachments people send me. Would that really be dangerous and if so how is it more dangerous than opening an attachment from withing a normal email account?
Thanks Starla, I'll be checking that out and will let you know what I think.
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 15:07:09
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apl is right.stay away from outlook.most probably you will get every virus around within 2 days.
just open many mail boxes and configure one to receive mail from the others(yahoo offers this service at least the italian one).
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 15:44:03
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Outlook Express is free, and different from Outlook.
The virus problems have mostly been solved, and like you said, it's no more risky than opening an attachment in any other email program.
apl - you run a Mac don't you??
Seriously - i'm running the latest version of OE, and it's rock-solid, and not more 'open' to viruses than any other email interface. Sheesh.
If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't go dissin' it unless you've had some recent experience.
I'm not pro-M$ by any means, but OE is hands-down the best PC email client. And free.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 18:14:34
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Dang Dave - ya sound like Bill Gates's nephew! I spend a *lot* of my time on patching servers. 98% of those patches are to cover Microsoft exploits. In turn, 90% of those come from an email attachment. We have migrated away from Outlook and Outlook Express as a standard mail client, but contractors and vendors will show up with Outlook/OE. This 1% population has been traced to create 60% of the 90% of the 98%, so about half. That's an ugly-ass impact ratio.
You do not have to open the attachment. ActiveX and VBscript are features (I have had screaming matches with MS development managers about what a "feature" is versus "fucking broken" - those are fun). I am under nondisclosure on details, but I have seen the executive briefing on MS's "trustworthy computing" plan and it is a complete fucking joke. The people in the room said so, to their faces.
I'm really glad it works for you. I personally wouldn't touch it with my worst enemy's naughty bits.
Some recent examples:
I like this one best: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/alerts/msblaster.asp
It gives some qualifiers and caveats, but the last line in the "Prevention" section says it all.
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/989932
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/140898
http://www.valley.net/knowledge_base/security/security20.html
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/435444
ok tired of reading these when I'm not being paid to do so...
I won't get religious about which one you *should* use, but I prefer a simple POP3/IMAP type reader that treats the mail as text and the attachment as a foriegn particle. I use Mozilla's mail reader as secondary (near-line storage, if you will), but Yahoo as primary sort to catch all the spam poop coming my way.
YMMV.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 19:42:11
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sooooooo, no outlook? hehe. ok, I'll look into Mozilla although I have no idea why ir what it really offers. Lot of good info though guys. thanks for helping me out. Any further suggestions would be appreciated too. Good to know this stuff.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 20:26:25
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Outlook Express is free, and different from Outlook.
The virus problems have mostly been solved, and like you said, it's no more risky than opening an attachment in any other email program.
apl - you run a Mac don't you??
Seriously - i'm running the latest version of OE, and it's rock-solid, and not more 'open' to viruses than any other email interface. Sheesh.
If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't go dissin' it unless you've had some recent experience.
I'm not pro-M$ by any means, but OE is hands-down the best PC email client. And free.
I guess I should defend myself here....I have personally dealt with the product, and had read past and recent coverage on OE security issues. I did general systems support for two large corporations, which included consistently dealing with problems with email system security and virus/worm fallout due to inherent issues with OE. Admittedly, that was 2 years ago, but the core issues with OE then still exist today. I do run a Mac as my personal system, but I also have a PC, and I know people who have used or currently use OE that have security problems.
I think I passionatey responded to scutor's question because I wanted to share my own nightmare stories, perhaps to save him from having the same ones. Repetitive technical nightmares can create raving loonies, like me. Obviously it was wrong of me to make a blanket statement about the product, as I'm sure there are others such as yourself that have not had such problems. I'm sorry if I came across harshly.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 23:48:49
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Thanks apl. =)
I will agree OE isn't perfect, but as long as you don't run attachments, and keep it patched, you should be fine most of the time.
I don't think there are many threats that can get through an updated copy of OE right now.
I'm not fond of Mozilla...there's an open-source email client out there, i forget its name...it's modelled after OE tho, and seemed pretty solid, tho lacked several important features that make OE my choice.
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