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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12/14/2003 : 04:58:56
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Jesus Christ, i've just heard that he has actually been captured.
I really never thought he would be captured alive.
I really quite shocked, i thought it would be a Hilter type suicide if it ever came down to it.
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 05:08:06
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Didn't they bury him in a concrete bunker or something? I never thought he'd be captured alive either. I suppose Bin Laden might be a little more worried now.
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Bryan Shepherd
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 05:10:26
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He was probably sick of hiding in holes.;) Seriously, I don't think he's the suicide type. He'd rather live than be a martyr for loyalists. It'll be interesting to see how he's "brought to justice" in the world courts. I expect some interesting testimony about relations with his former allies, the United States. Chances are, though, he'll keep his mouth shut for some exile deal that'll allow him to keep a modicum of luxury. Unfortunately, this doesn't even begin to end US problems in the region. Peace!
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ramona
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 08:03:06
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I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, he is only one man - but like you said, so was Hitler. I just think stupid arse Bush is pinning so much on Saddam.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time now before Bush will come out on another giant tanker declaring it's the end of Terrorism or something. Maybe he'll ride onto the White House lawn on a tank.
Honestly, I just find it all so depressing.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 08:14:12
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Originally posted by ramona
I'm sure it's only a matter of time now before Bush will come out on another giant tanker declaring it's the end of Terrorism or something.
He'll never do that. Then he'd have to justify the continued existence of all those jobs in the Homeland Insecurity Dept.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 08:16:12
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SpliffTastic
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 08:32:34
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 08:34:35
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Today is my birthday, they caught Saddam, and he looks like ZZ Top. This is too cool.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 08:43:31
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I couldn't care less about the capture because I don't think it really affects anything in a sense. Would he actually be capable of doing anything had he not been caught? All he'd be doing is releasing his underground mix tapes about random shit. The thing that makes me upset the most is that in a twisted way, people will think Bush is a good guy cause he's caught. It's not like Bush had anything to do with it himself, and it's not like American citizens really have a solid reason to be all pissed at Saddam other than the unrelated propaganda that's been churned out for months on end so that people started to magically have compassions for the Iraqi people...so now Bush might have a shot...possibly. I can only hope that this fucking cunt does something to fuck it up, or enough people get their heads out of their asses to realize that he's really just a stupid puppet and we'd benefit from a real live president.
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 08:45:54
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I guess the American Government have their trophy now, at least.
....also, I think he should have kept the beard, it suits him.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 09:16:14
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Originally posted by El Barto
it's not like American citizens really have a solid reason to be all pissed at Saddam other than the unrelated propaganda that's been churned out for months on end
edit inserted Dec 19: I've been reading that Newsweek has an article casting suspicion on this. Seems the document might be a forgery. If so, apologies El Barto.
original post:
Here's more "propaganda" for you, El Barto:
"Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam
By Con Coughlin telegraph uk online
(Filed: 14/12/2003)
Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.
Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.
The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.
In the memo, Habbush reports that Atta "displayed extraordinary effort" and demonstrated his ability to lead the team that would be "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy".
The second part of the memo, which is headed "Niger Shipment", contains a report about an unspecified shipment - believed to be uranium - that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria.
Although Iraqi officials refused to disclose how and where they had obtained the document, Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man Presidential Committee, said the document was genuine.
"We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda," he said. "But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far. It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaeda, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks."
Although Atta is believed to have been resident in Florida in the summer of 2001, he is known to have used more than a dozen aliases, and intelligence experts believe he could easily have slipped out of the US to visit Iraq.
Abu Nidal, who was responsible for the failed assassination of the Israeli ambassador to London in 1982, was based in Baghdad for more than two decades." |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 10:01:40
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Originally posted by misleadtheworld
....also, I think he should have kept the beard, it suits him.
i couldn't agree more. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 10:13:06
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I didn't think he'd ever be captured either or at least not so long before the election. Still, I too am afraid that this will convince people to vote again for Bush. Lord help us all. He'll probably "stumble" upon Osama just before the election.
I'm happy as hell that this time we didn't just abandon the innocents like last time but scared for our future.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 10:17:45
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I think whoever has custody of him should shave his beard down to look like a Hitler moustache.
Oh no! The news just said "They allowed him to bathe and shave." He might be beardless already.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 10:26:12
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he is beardless. But he kept his moustache.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 10:37:47
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Um...Erebus...i don't think this is 'bad news' to leftists..? What do you mean by that?
I'm glad he won't be influencing people any more.
Oh - an ironic note - i first read about this in the headline of a SPAM message this morning..hahah.. I had no idea. |
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mdisanto
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Posted - 12/14/2003 : 12:16:29
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hahah yah the beard looks awesome actually, he kinda looks like the guy who wrote Dune
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Danishboy
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 02:40:28
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He is the perfect example of "a victim of circumstance"
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 04:08:24
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I wonder how Saddam could be called a victim.
Denis
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 04:42:49
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Danishboy, please explain!
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TOTIPOTENT
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 06:45:35
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Originally posted by vilainde
I wonder how Saddam could be called a victim.
Denis
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Turns out he's the stupidest person on Earth"
Great quote, Denis! Also, great question. Saddam is going to be treated very well - as long as he helps our intelligence. Hell, he has already been treated well - the man has had medical treatment, a bath and grooming, food and who knows what else. I am not getting involved in this discussion, any more. I apologize for blurting out. I just wanted to celebrate vilainde's quote. I am bias due to my affiliation, so I will not join this conversation.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 06:52:18
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About the only thing Saddam is a victim of is himself. In that sense, I pity the man. If only he hadn't been evil.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 07:04:39
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Originally posted by TOTIPOTENT
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
I wonder how Saddam could be called a victim.
Denis
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Turns out he's the stupidest person on Earth"
Great quote, Denis!
Thanks! But I had to change it, cause I thought one could believe I was calling Frank the stupidest person on Earth. So it's now:
Denis
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 07:07:15
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Speaking of which, I should go see how I'm doing and vote again...
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 07:27:05
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Originally posted by El Barto
I couldn't care less about the capture because I don't think it really affects anything in a sense. Would he actually be capable of doing anything had he not been caught? All he'd be doing is releasing his underground mix tapes about random shit. The thing that makes me upset the most is that in a twisted way, people will think Bush is a good guy cause he's caught. It's not like Bush had anything to do with it himself, and it's not like American citizens really have a solid reason to be all pissed at Saddam other than the unrelated propaganda that's been churned out for months on end so that people started to magically have compassions for the Iraqi people...so now Bush might have a shot...possibly. I can only hope that this fucking cunt does something to fuck it up, or enough people get their heads out of their asses to realize that he's really just a stupid puppet and we'd benefit from a real live president.
I think this is the smartest comment I've seen on this thread yet
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 08:32:10
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Originally posted by Erebus
Good news for the world is bad news for leftists everywhere.
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Originally posted by Dave NoisyUm...Erebus...i don't think this is 'bad news' to leftists..? What do you mean by that?
I'm glad he won't be influencing people any more.
I confess to some overreach with that one. Call it "distortion for clarity". When I wrote that I had been listening to NPR's dejection over the success and had just come from visiting a busy pro Howard Dean site where many were wringing their hands over how the capture of Saddam would boost Bush's re-election prospects. Hence the good news bad news equation. However, beyond the immediate impetus for my comment, I have long thought that, as a movement focused on remediation at the expense of excellence, the left depends for its existence upon the persistence of suffering, which it then perpetuates by applying remedies that often serve to exacerbate the problems. For example, Great Society social welfare which actually contributes to family breakdown, degradation of urban life, and dependence upon government. Or note the irony of what is arguably the worst school system in the US, that of Washington, D.C., being the system which spends the most per student, all the while the teachers unions constitute the greatest obstacle to beneficial change. Having said that, I acknowledge that there must be some lefties what genuinely would like to see all problems solved once and for all. It just seems to me that the left has a vested interest not only in seeing that social problems persist but also in actively implementing policies that work toward that end, thereby enhancing and institutionalizing their political power, with resultant control over purse strings. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 10:15:11
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 10:23:57
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I think if the lefties were to solve there problems locally, they would continue to work to solve problems in other places. Once that's done...who knows.
Note tho that capitalism is dependent on suffering much more than the lefties. In order for someone to profit, another must lose. Talk about dependence on loss.
I can see Bush's #'s going up because of this, but we'll have to see what effect capturing Saddam has on Iraq.. Sadly, i think many of his followers will continue to follow their own agenda..i have my doubts that it's 'only Saddam' that is influencing them....eh? |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2003 : 11:01:18
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My fear is that Bush will just ride the coat tails of this to a re-election. And he already has begun to use it to his full advantage - in today's speech he pushed bills he wanted to pass, like the ban on partial birth abortions.
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 11:06:47
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I"m with you, ramona....his numbers have been kind of dropping and I'm worried this might bump bushie up in the approval ratings department....scary thought what he might use this for
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 11:36:36
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I really hope Americans are smart enough to not vote for someone because of a captured leader. Whether you're pro war or not, whether you're pro Bush or not, there's really not that strong of a connection between Bush and capturing Sadam. The American military did.
And, of course, if you're against the war, then although you're probably still happy that Saddam is detained, I don't see why this would suddenly justify the war if you've been against it all along.
I guess that I don't understand how this would sway the vote in any way, but I could completely see it doing so.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 11:57:11
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It could sway the vote b/c there are still a lot of Americans who think if Bush can capture the bad guy (not that HE is the one who even captured him but he'll play it that way) - he can save the world! America is made up of a lot of older Republican voters who don't want to rock the boat. He's already ridden on the idiotic gene pool he was born from, and that was all that got him elected in the first place (along with the fact that he wasn't even the fucking WINNER of the election) - don't doubt the stupidity of America.
Turn on your TV and you may see Bush celebrating Christmas at the White House with the theme of "Peace on Earth". It's so ironic and ridiculous, it makes me want to puke.
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El Barto
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 12:12:42
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If there's one thing you could set your watch to, it's the stupidity of the masses...mainly, Americans.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 13:12:13
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I really hope Americans are smart enough to not vote for someone because of a captured leader. Whether you're pro war or not, whether you're pro Bush or not, there's really not that strong of a connection between Bush and capturing Sadam. The American military did.
And, of course, if you're against the war, then although you're probably still happy that Saddam is detained, I don't see why this would suddenly justify the war if you've been against it all along.
I guess that I don't understand how this would sway the vote in any way, but I could completely see it doing so.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
The capture, and the war in general, conveys an accurate impression of resolve and competency. The problems of the Middle East have been festering, with increasing intensity, for decades, and many Americans are glad to see somebody actually doing something. Enough of hope and patience. The sense is that we deal with this now because it's only going to be worse later. Enough of Clintonian appeasement. Enough of waiting for "allies" motivated only by their business deals that violated those oh-so-meaningful UN sanctions, "allies" who have for years systematically undercut solutions that had no chance without a united front. Americans want action, and they don't care if it comes from a verbally-challenged leader. They realize we finally have real leadership, and perhaps they are beginning to realize that verbal intelligence is massively overrated anyway (and, frankly, an essential skill of con artists like Bill Clinton). I too feel contempt for the Christianity, and I know that if we had had a historically sane policy toward Israel all of this would be different, but I've given up on those battles. We're stuck with them, at least for the near term. We're lucky to have Bush at this point in history; his election was legitimate; and the hatred toward and fear of him is little more than simple-minded hysteria. |
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STITCHES
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 13:15:19
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that's hilarious, erebus!.....you were joking, right?
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 13:40:25
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at least banning partial birth abortions is a good abuse of power.
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