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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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 Posted - 12/05/2003 : 16:23:33
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OK, we have a couple of fine art threads now, how about art music?
I'm not looking to move this into a 'what is art?' discussion, I just wanted to see if anyone else appreciated contemporary 'art' music, by which I mean composers like Stockhausen, Boulez, Reich, Cage...
What do you think?
I would recommend for further listening anything by the following composers:
Olivier Messiaen
Giorgi Ligeti
Steve Reich
John Cage
Philip Glass
John Tavener
Penderecki
"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?"
"Same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to take over the world!" |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 16:26:46
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Rachels is good.
huh!- Penderecki is on my amazon wish list. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 16:29:02
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| And Laurie Anderson - I can't say enough wonderful things about her. One of my most favorite artists. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 16:29:09
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Excellent, that makes you cool! Save your money and scour the charity shops, though...
"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?"
"Same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to take over the world!" |
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 17:28:53
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Last year I had to write a brief report on Philip Glass for a music class. All that I remeber is being impressed by "Einstein on the beach". I didn't really spend that time on the report so I didn't really absorb much of his music.
"How many stars girl, can you both count, and then classify?" |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 17:51:26
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Rachel's is fantastic neo-classical music. Rachel Grimes must have studied some advanced composition because my brother, who is a classical music geek, was impressed by some of her compositions on the Sea and the Bells record I have of theirs. I was listening to Rodan at the used CD store recently. One of the guys in Rachel's was in that group, and I must say that his transition from that music to Rachel's is a great improvement. Rodan isn't horrible, but I've heard a million bands do the hardcore Fugazi sound and it's getting a bit old to me.
Thinking Fellers Union Local #282 is quite arty, and very jokey, too. Weird music. There's plenty of throwaway filler on their albums (fans call it Feller-Filler), but when the band really tries, they hit the mark. Some of the strangest production, too. Halfway lo-fi, halfway well-recorded. Cistern from their album Mother of All Saints is the best piece of music I've heard from them, but Star Trek and Hummingbird in an Ice Cube from that same record are also great pieces of music. To give you an idea of what their throwaway stuff is like, their is a piece of music called tuning notes which is 4 minutes of randomly plucked notes while a guy says things such as, "My fifth finger on the third string of the fourth fret" and then random chaos ensues with no point. It's bad, but funny.
I've heard some cool Varese. Zappa was a big fan of his work.
Sonic Youth is quite arty. I'm not their biggest fan, but I like a lot of their songs. They're best when they evenly balance the weird and the more normal.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 20:02:25
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Good catch, TarTar. Rachel herself left a really cool punk/indy band called Hula Hoop in Louisville KY to go to Juliard and study classical composition. I personally don't hear Fugazi in Rodan's stuff - always thought they had a pretty unique strain of their own, albeit derivative of the overall vibe that was going on in that town at that time. You made me get nostalgic and run downstairs to grab my 7" vinyl collection. Related Lousiville & adjunct bands:
Squirrel Bait (the granddaddy of everything else - ol sk00l punk rawk)
Slint (about 3/4 of SB with a different vibe. very weird - could qualify as art rock)
June of '44 (Jeff Meuller from Rodan founded this one - Indy Math Rock)
King Kong (Ethan Buckler from Slint - weird punk)
Evergreen (see other posts)
Palace Brothers (Britt Walford from Slint. more mellow - almost folky)
Pavement (Will Oldham from Palace Bros)
The For Carnation (A bunch of these people - Art rock? maybe?)
Aerial M (Dave Pajo from Slint/Palace Bros. More Art/Experimental)
Papa M (Dave P again - all over the board)
Tortoise (Dave P. Art Rock)
Zwan (Dave P yet again - Smashing Pumpkins rehash)
There are a ton of omissions here, since the lifespan of some of the best bands was about 3-6 months.
It's hard to say who imitated who stylewise - everyone in bands at that time knew and played with everyone else, so the sound defined itself as a collective. Goddamn it was fun.
Outside the borders of that rant, lest we forget the German wonder of Einsturzende Neubauten! Their first album was recorded in a crawlspace under a highway bridge where they lived, and was funded by the German government's arts council. They used construction debris as instrumentation, and still do to this day. Suprisingly melodic, but I have seen it do weird things to people partaking of particular chemical compunds. You have been warned.
 I looked for a cult to join, then decided to just play "Sink". Hey! I sank Toledo, Ohio! |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 23:57:17
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My roommate is really into June of '44 right now. I really like their music, especially when they delve into jazzier, weirder territory. I've heard quite a bit of Palace Bros., mainly There Is No One Who Will Take Care of You (I think that's the title of the album), and a song from the Drag City Records compilation Hey Drag City! I enjoy his work. One question: Did you mean to say Palace when you said Pavement? I'm a huge Pavement fan and know nothing of Will Oldham being involved in their work even though they were both on the Drag City label.
I've heard a lot about Slint but never heard their music. One of my roommates last year was into Tortoise, so I heard a lot of their music. I remeber liking it. And of course I've heard of Zwan, though I don't believe I've heard an entire song. I know that Matt Sweeney from Zwan used to be in the band Skunk, which Claude Coleman drummed for. Claude has been in the band Ween for about 10 years now. I've never heard Skunk. I really should. I know that Billy Corgan said he ripped off one of their songs to create Frail and Bedazzled, which is a kickass Pumpkins rocker.
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2003 : 00:01:10
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Oh, and as far as Rodan's sound, I suppose I didn't listen to enough to really make a good judgement. It just didn't jump out at me like the sound of Rachel's did. Tara Jane O'Neil was in Rodan. I saw her live last year, and have a burned copy of one of her CDs that I really need to listen to more. I've only listened to it in passing a few times, but liked what I heard. She must be well versed in playing instruments, cuz there's a Sebadoh album (Baked Goods, I believe) where she plays drums, and it sounds like she knows her way around on the drums.
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
308 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2003 : 06:31:38
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Sun City Girls - quite experimental, with only guitar, bass, and drums at their disposal; I really like their first album, most people just think it's okay for some reason.
John Cale / Terry Riley - YES.
Fred Frith - of Henry Cow fame. Made albums solo (on SST, even), with Richard Thompson, and various other hangers on.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2003 : 09:22:22
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TarTar: kind of...I meant to include Will in Palace Bros, and add in Bob Nastanovich for Pavement, since he was living in Louisville at the time, and played occasionally with various bands. Typing too late to make sense. Crow eaten.
Forgot to mention Tara, I guess she's really making a mark with her solo work. Jason Noble, Tara O'Neil, Jeff Mueller, Jon Cook (Crain) and a bunch of others all lived in an old victorian townhouse "the Rocket House" in Louisville's historic district. Everyone played everything at all hours. I was really freaked out to discover the actually pretty good movie "Half-Cocked" which was made by these folks in the Rocket House, around Louisville, and on tour. Fictional tale, but very close to the lifestyle of the day. I'm sure there are plenty more omissions...a ton of others who deserved credit but never got any outside of the street cred from the locals.
I looked for a cult to join, then decided to just play "Sink". Hey! I sank Schenectady, NY! |
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2003 : 09:23:44
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More directly on topic, check out Merzbow - the Jackson Pollack of Japanese rock.
I looked for a cult to join, then decided to just play "Sink". Hey! I sank Schenectady, NY! |
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2003 : 11:57:23
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Any of you got the Harold Budd/Cocteau Twins collaboration 'Moon & the melodies'? Very atmospheric.
 "I have been enslaved by the Cult of Ming / He is ever so merciless...unlike that nice Mr Black." |
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LivER_FisH
- FB Fan -
South Africa
57 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2003 : 03:25:37
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i think the pixies music is art
actually thats the main reason for me liking them
it's actually the only thing i look for in music
the artful/creative/originality of it
if u listen to the pixies and imagine if any note
or word or drum beat were any where else would it sound better?
and i can never say yes to that
and its not becuz i cant make good music
atleast the stuff i write for my band doesnt sound bad to me
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2003 : 09:33:54
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| This topic makes me happy. Thanks, Cheeseman. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2003 : 12:02:21
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Originally posted by TarTar
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And of course I've heard of Zwan, though I don't believe I've heard an entire song. I know that Matt Sweeney from Zwan used to be in the band Skunk, which Claude Coleman drummed for. Claude has been in the band Ween for about 10 years now. I've never heard Skunk. I really should.
And of course Matt Sweeny was also in Chavez, who are amazing. Only two records and an EP, but they're awesome. Have you heard them TarTar? Chef recommends. On another cross-over note, Matt Sweeny was/is friends with Bob Pollard. And of course Bobby P and Kim Deal used to be friends. Six Degrees of Frank! |
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