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brookeburkesluvr
- FB Fan -
USA
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 Posted - 09/30/2003 : 15:31:36
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What do you think it will be? Vinyl records, then analog tape, then CDs, now MP3s ~ what next? I’m just wondering in the future when someone refers to their “collection” if it will be anything that you will actually be able to see on a shelf. Maybe we’ll have “entertainment chips” embedded in our skulls at birth. As it is, I get almost all of my music online these days, so my collection is a bunch of files somewhere on my hard-drive. It’s so much easier and cheaper that way. Anyone else do most of your music shopping online? If so, what service do you use? Here’s the ones I’ve either used or am thinking about using;
BEST BUY's Digital Music Service ~ http://www.listen.com/bestbuy
Press Play ~ http://www.pressplay.com/
i-Tunes ~ http://www.apple.com/itunes/ (I would have to get a Mac???)
Buymusic.com ~ http://www.buymusic.com/
[EDIT - Moved by Dave Noisy] |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 15:33:49
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What are you doing? Advertising?
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 15:48:19
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| I'm most looking forward to the newish high definition digital formats, preferably SACD, tho DVD-A won't be too bad. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 15:50:29
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as surround sound setups become more common, and if the recording industry ever thinks to adopt it, DVD Audio would be the most obvious replacement for CDs.
the possibilities with DTS or even just dolby 5.1 make me happy.
bjork's vespertine is available in 6-channel DVD audio. don't know of many other releases.
tool's lateralus was released in HDCD, which your computer can probably support. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 16:07:01
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Yeah, I've heard a few DVD-Audio discs and the I love surround sound music, though it's more applicable to some genres than others. I don't think that Frank would ever go to surround since it would be impossible to do live to two track. But his latest stuff really wouldn't benefit ALL that much from 5.1 anyway. Orange and Teenager would be phenomenal, though.
But if DVD's don't start getting into the market a little faster for non-video applications, then I don't know, maybe we'll skip right over them and onto some new format. It's been years since DVD's been out, and we still can't even get some of these bloody 4/6 CD computer games on DVD. What's the story with that?!
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 19:38:17
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Problem with surround sound is that you really need to set it up right...and i don't think the average Joe ever really accomplishes this.
As for games...who gets their games on CD's? (hehehe) |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 21:31:20
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The problem with surround sound is the placement of the speakers. Seriously, do you have a place to put 6 or so speakers? Do you like having wires running across your carpet? It's just not a universal solution...I could get 6 speakers for my PC setup, but do I want 2 speakers on stands sitting behind me? The speakers, stands, and wires will get in the way, not to mention how retarded it would look.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank / Did anyone else have to give up their first born?" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 22:30:00
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I have surround sound on my pooter in my room. The wires run along the baseboard to the other side of the room on a shelf and a stand. Then the audio is balanced for treble/bass levels, delay, volume, etc, etc via software that comes with the Creative Live2. It's obviously not ideal surround, but I still find myself spinning in my chair instead of in the game sometimes when I hear a noise behind me. For music, it really fills out the sound even if recorded in stereo.
A car would be a great place for proper surround, even though cars are pretty awful as far as listening environments go, because you have set speaker positions, etc and it could be professionally done very well once. Of course, then there's the problem of whether you set it up for the driver or just the middle of the car...
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 22:30:45
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Oh, and there are currently surround sound headphones, which would obviously be perfect for listening.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2003 : 23:35:34
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I've thought that the goal of high fidelty stereo systems is to accurately recreate what one would hear sitting in the audience at a performance. What would surround sound then be recreating? You sitting in the middle of the performance?
My hifi knowledge is limited to what I learn from my dad (an absolute stereo nut), but I don't think the high end users are pursuing surround sound. I think the main happening in that crowd is the move back to tubes and the scramble to find high quality tubes produced many years ago in the US and more recently in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2003 : 15:07:30
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don't confuse high end, audiophile and high tech.
these are all separate terms which i could write a dissertation on, and i won't right now. |
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Wowee_Zowee
- FB Fan -
Belgium
81 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2003 : 15:48:33
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This guy is pretty good at it! Posted today at the Beck.com BBS by brookeburkeslover (also his first post over there):
"Topic: Are you going to keep buying Beck's CDs?
brookeburkesluvr
Jack-Ass
Member # 17128
posted October 01, 2003 12:39 AM
I know it’s still fun to go to the store and buy the actual CD for the pictures, lyrics, etc., but I’m starting to think it’s cheaper in the long run to download the songs online. I don’t mean pirate them, but get them from a subscription service. Just seems like it would be more cost effective and convenient. Anyone here do that already? If so, what service do you use? Here’s some of the ones I’ve looked at;
BEST BUY's Digital Music Service ~ http://www.listen.com/bestbuy
Press Play ~ http://www.pressplay.com/
i-Tunes ~ http://www.apple.com/itunes/ (I would have to get a Mac???)
Buymusic.com ~ http://www.buymusic.com/ "
Apparently you don't need a Mac for spamming!
Even if you're Michael or Janet: it's a sad, sad planet. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2003 : 16:15:13
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Weird that this guy is doing this..like..why??
Anyway, surround sound also forces a decreased sound quality. Think about it. You got $1000 to spend. Think you're gonna get a better pair of speakers, or six or whatever..?
Crap - boycott surround sound!! Making music sound like CRAP since..whenever.. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2003 : 18:25:59
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dave, if you can't afford a good surround system obviously you shouldn't buy one and should stick to stereo.
but the difference between a $2000 surround sound setup and a $50,000 one is imperceptable (or should that be un or in?) to most people.
honestly, spending more than $2k on a home theatre is silly unless you're making six figures plus with no kids.
edit: not counting the tv, of course. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2003 : 20:34:55
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I disagree with you Ebb - a $50k sound system (surround or not) would blow your mind with the extra range, clarity, tightness, punch and detail quality, compared to a $2k job.
A $40k and $50k jump wouldn't be that extreme, but there is no comparrison there. Your $2k system would sound, honestly, like you're listening to an AM clock radio with a paper bag on your head, in comparrison.
Go to any high-end audio shop, and A/B system in these ranges. If you can't tell the difference, well...i dunno. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 14:45:44
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dave, i have been exposed to the highest end audio equipment there is. i am quite familiar with the ins and outs of home electronics.
keep in mind i'm talking american dollars, and if you know where to buy your stuff, you can get a lot for $2k. i'm thinking used market here, there's usually very little reason to go new.
the average person is NOT going to be able to hear the difference between a $2k and a $50k system. i know how ignorant the average person is, i used to work at best buy. i have a very good feel for where their perceptive abilities are exhausted.
now, yes you can hear the difference, and i can hear the difference. we know what to listen for, we know what it is supposed to sound like, what is missing, etc. but most people do not. they're content to just hear the big booms. you give them decent mid range and some booming bass and they're happy. they don't notice muddiness, holes, etc.
anyway, like i said, i don't really want to go into a dissertation here or anything. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 16:33:46
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A car would be a great place for proper surround, even though cars are pretty awful as far as listening environments go, because you have set speaker positions, etc and it could be professionally done very well once. Of course, then there's the problem of whether you set it up for the driver or just the middle of the car...
That's where you're wrong, my friend. Cars are regarded as one of the best acoustical environments, due to the windows and carpeting mix.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / Did anyone else have to give up their first born?" |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 17:54:01
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uhh, wrong el barto.
while sound insulation (carpetting, sound deadening, thick glass, etc.) are good, small enclosed areas are usually bad. not to mention wind, road and engine noise which are all bad, and then the fact that you are off-set from centre.
sorry, but the car is a terrible venue for audio enjoyment. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 18:26:32
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Exactly.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 20:50:23
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You guys are both wrong. I've read in books and various other places that the car is the perfect acoustical environment, and that a number of people who record and mix down an album will go and take their first listen in a car (you don't have to be driving nor does the car need to be on nor do you have to be in the front driver or passenger seat).
"I joined the Cult of Frank / Did anyone else have to give up their first born?" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 20:52:02
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I'm pretty sure the average person would notice the difference in systems, if they were A/B'ed.
It's kinda like driving a nice Honda, which is nice, but a Porche is a whole other animal. Was pedalling behind one the other day too..woot..nice. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 21:03:15
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
don't confuse high end, audiophile and high tech.
these are all separate terms which i could write a dissertation on, and i won't right now.
So where are you putting surround sound? High tech?
To me it's audio and some think it's good audio. $2000 won't buy high end cables, let alone a system. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 22:13:11
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Originally posted by El Barto
You guys are both wrong. I've read in books and various other places that the car is the perfect acoustical environment, and that a number of people who record and mix down an album will go and take their first listen in a car (you don't have to be driving nor does the car need to be on nor do you have to be in the front driver or passenger seat).
"I joined the Cult of Frank / Did anyone else have to give up their first born?"
That is true about people taking their albums for a 'test drive' if you will, but that's primarily to test it in an end-user listening environment. They take it other places as well and use different speakers, headphones, etc to get a feel for the actual sound. Otherwise, what sounds great in the studio headphones might ONLY sound great in the studio headphones. At least that's my understanding of it. I by no means declare myself an expert, just relaying what I've heard.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2003 : 23:50:48
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| I'd say Dean's on the money. Just like they'll play it through a typical 'home' stereo, as well as FM clock radios, they'll sample it in a few cars to make sure there aren't any anomalies. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2003 : 04:34:42
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| Future Scenario: 'hey, have you ever heard Massif Centrale?' 'Can't say that I Have'. 'Well, before the nuclear holocaust of the 21st century, Humans used to make sequences and arrangements of sounds with different objects called intruments....anyways, are you gonna finish that soylent green?' |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2003 : 18:00:44
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barto:
anyone who says a car is ideal doesn't know what they're talking about. book, tv show, magazine, face to face, telegraph, smoke signal or any other form of communication.
darwin:
at this point there are surround sound setups which fit into every category. as for high end cable, that's one of the biggest fallacies around. did you know that a lot of times the exact same cables that get sold to audiophiles for $500/ft under one name can be had for a tenth of the price if you aren't buying from an audiophile source under an audiophile name?
now, obviously you want something better than monster cable, but anyone spending $2,000 on cables... a fool and his money, you know.
dave:
if directly A/B'd they'd probably notice the difference.
but time and time again i've had it proven to me that the average person is clueless. people who think their crappy aiwa home system sounds just as good as a hand-assembled system.
edit: i think you're suffering from that most unfortunate of canadian traits; faith in the average person. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2003 : 00:19:40
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| hehe..you might be onto something there. |
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