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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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 Posted - 08/20/2003 : 20:36:50
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shame on Canada. they are bad:
http://www.hsus.org/ace/19076
Protect Seals: Do Something
IFAW Seal hunters call them "beaters"—seal pups who are at least two weeks old. And once a baby seal starts to molt even a part of its white coat, the Canadian government allows hunters to beat the pups to death with a club or a large ice-pick-like hakapik. There have even been reports of sealers killing mothers who try to protect their unweaned pups.
Canadian government figures show that this year 96.6% of the reported 286,238 seals killed between November 15 and May 15 were 12 days to 12 weeks old. Under the government's latest plan, hunters will be allowed to kill 975,000 harp seals on their home ice east of Newfoundland and Labrador during a three-year period. We don't know how many more seals were killed than were reported this year, but we do know that in the 2001-2002 hunt, sealers killed at least 30,000 more seals than allowed by law. And how did the Canadian government punish the sealers? By upping the quota.
The Canadian government has proven time and again that it is more interested in promoting a commercial seal hunt (a massive slaughter that is nothing like the traditional hunts of the past) than in the humane treatment of seals. When confronted with evidence from an independent, international team of veterinarians that regulations on the treatment of the seals were not being obeyed—that up to 40% of seal pups were being skinned while alive and conscious—the government refused to crack down on sealers.
Some, in fact, might say the government tacitly rewarded the sealers by subsidizing the hunt to the tune of $20 million between 1995 and 2001. And right this minute, it's promoting seal fur, meat, and oil all over the world.
One way the Canadian government justifies its support of the seal hunt is to claim that seals in the North Atlantic eat too many cod. But there's no good scientific support for this claim. In fact, two of the government's own scientists reported in 1994 that the true cause of cod depletion in the North Atlantic was over-fishing.
Ecosystems are complex—seals also eat cod predators (other fish), for example, so removing seals might even worsen the cod stock's condition. But it's more convenient for the government and fishing industry to scapegoat seals than it is for them to address the serious problem of over-fishing.
The Humane Society of the United States is working to stop the slaughter of seals in Canada. We have formed a coalition of groups that includes the International Wildlife Coalition, the International Fund for Animal Welfare, Ocean Futures Society, the Fund for Animals, Animal Protection Institute, the Bellerive Foundation, the Born Free Foundation, Earth Island Institute, Respect for Animals, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the World Society for the Protection of Animals, and the Asian, Australian, and United Kingdom branches of Humane Society International. The coalition recently ran an advertisement in The New York Times.
What You Can Do
1. Don't vacation in Canada. Consider instead spending your tourist dollars in a nation that does not actively promote a barbaric slaughter of wildlife. A recent HSUS survey showed that 65% of U.S. citizens said they would not be likely to vacation in Canada if their vacation dollars were used to subsidize the seal hunt.
2. Contact Canada's Prime Minister, Jean Chrétien, and the Canadian Tourism Commission. Tell them you are horrified that the Canadian government not only allows the seal hunt, but promotes it. Tell them that you are not comfortable vacationing in Canada while the seal hunt is legal.
3. Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper protesting the seal hunt. See the link below for suggestions about what points you can make.
4. Support The HSUS's efforts to stop Canada's slaughter of seals.
5. Wear the new Protect the Seals T-shirt. And tell everyone why you are wearing it! The HSUS has collaborated with Wildlife Works, the wildlife conservation-driven apparel company, to create a special T-shirt that tells the world to "Do Something" to protect Canada's seals. For each T-shirt sold via this website, $10 goes to the Protect Seals: Do Something campaign. (See the banner on the top right of this page.)
Contact Information:
Prime Minister's Office
Right Honorable Jean Chrétien
Office of the Prime Minister
80 Wellington St.
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
K1A OA2
Phone: 613-941-6888
Fax: 613-941-6900
E-mail: pm@pm.gc.ca
Canadian Tourism Commission
55 Metcalfe St.
Suite 600
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
K1P 6L5
613-946-1000
E-mail: Use the Contact Us form on www.canadatourism.com. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 20:48:55
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This is pretty horrible.
I don't suppose this thread is in response to Daves Iraq Pt 2 thread?
Bacon....... Its not fantastic |
Edited by - Stuart on 08/20/2003 20:50:01 |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 22:16:09
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| But they taste so YUMMY!!!! |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 22:57:24
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| ya they are yummy but you have to be careful of mad seal disease. |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 23:09:27
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| "1. Don't vacation in Canada." Don't vacation in Canada...Oh, man, but when it's cold and snowing here in New England all I do is daydream about escaping to Canada. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 23:43:12
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I've been helping with this campaign for like 7yrs...i know the gov't has received tens of thousands of phone calls and way more letters...yet they keep INCREASING the number of seals they kill each year.
Previously, the main motivation for the hunt was seal penises, which are considered an Asian aphrodisiac..which could easily fetch several hundred dollars per penis. Luckily we now have Viagra, which actually works.
Now we have fishless waters off the Canadian East Coast, and of course they blame the seals, tho the fish the seals eat are not commonly eaten by humans. It's a sad, pathetic scapegoat campaign now..
Sealers are horrible, and should received about as much mercy as someone who would take a pick to a human baby, as that's about the ability a baby seal has.
Sad. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 23:53:25
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| I, like ALL Canadians, support killing as many seals as possible as they are not like me, just as I believe in killing all people that don't think/act/look like me. |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 00:03:29
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Evil treatment of seals is never ok - but a hunt must be ok if done properly. The problem is - there would be no way of killing these seals without tears popping out of american eyes. Seals, whales and americanos are tricky combinations that usually don't yield much rational thought (free willy - amen). Animals are being treated bad all over the meat industry - most don't give a flying fuck wether sheep or cows are skinned alive or not (which is not an excuse for sealers).
I can understand mr Noisy in light of the vegan thread, allthough i disagree with much of it, but for most in the opinion - it's all about disneyland. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 06:22:42
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Originally posted by ivandivel
Evil treatment of seals is never ok - but a hunt must be ok if done properly. The problem is - there would be no way of killing these seals without tears popping out of american eyes. Seals, whales and americanos are tricky combinations that usually don't yield much rational thought (free willy - amen). Animals are being treated bad all over the meat industry - most don't give a flying fuck wether sheep or cows are skinned alive or not (which is not an excuse for sealers).
I can understand mr Noisy in light of the vegan thread, allthough i disagree with much of it, but for most in the opinion - it's all about disneyland.
that is a good point.
killer dude-"hmm, should we kill this seal or the calf?"
american-"no no! not the seal its so cute!!"
kd-"okay, the calf it is."
a-"mmm, 'hamburgers'!"
heh heh. sorry... please don't bomb ireland!
-Jessie
"deep in ocean blues of absinthe..." |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 11:27:39
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Of course there's a duality here, but i'd rather see some sympathy than no sympathy, as the Canadian Gov't displays themselves.
And come on, 1 MILLION seals over three years. Doesn't that seem a little..excessive??
Especially considering they really don't know how many seals are out there, and that birthing has been severely disrupted with the oncoming Global Warming, and there being less ice?
Also, more than 80% of Canadians (many surveys in the last 20 years) are opposed to this. Show me the democracy in this.
Once you do some research into this, you can't help but think this is one of the most insane things happening in the world, on so many fronts. |
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This Is It
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 11:58:44
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don't get me wrong, the USA seems to have an endless supply of nincompoops, but let's get this straight: the masses are asses no matter what country you're in. We're not the only country who would spare cute animals before the hideous bovine.
He who can does - he who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw)
The only difference between doctors and lawyers is that lawyers merely rob you, whereas doctors rob you and kill you, too. (Anton Chekhov)
By all means marry; if you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. (Socrates) |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 12:26:44
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| Yeah, well, I suppose that was the point of my post. Obviously most people do not support the cruelty going on with these seals, but as I tried to underscore with my Pax Americana reference in the second half of that sentence, we're not the only ones and there are probably bigger things for Americans to worry about in their own backyard. |
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This Is It
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 13:00:57
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| yes, much bigger things. Let me give you a rundown on the things that Americans are more concerned with: 50 cent, J-Lo, celebrity marriages (and breakups), the Hummer H3, celebrities posing as politicians (Schwartenegger), politicians posing as celebrities (Bush), athletes committing crimes (whether it's true or not is irrelevant so long as we have something to talke about), Starbucks (and anywhere else that sells 4 dollar lattes), the New York Yankees, trying foreign leaders for war crimes, protecting domestic leaders from war crimes, Abercrombie & Fitch, NASCAR, wrestling, videos of the following: police chases and atrocities like being hit by trains or falling from areas high up and violent injuries and deaths in general, doing things that are analogous with being healthy, but not being healthy in itself. It's far more important for people to think you're healthy then to actually be healthy. Hence the concept of body-building. Where was I...well, you get the idea. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 13:20:04
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people in other countries are much less shallow, you're right..
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This Is It
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 13:25:34
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that's correct. It's about having that feeling that your country is leading the world so now that that's taken care of let's have fun.
It's like 100 years ago England was the same way. They were on top so they said "screw the work, let's dress impeccably and go play cricket."
He who can does - he who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw)
The only difference between doctors and lawyers is that lawyers merely rob you, whereas doctors rob you and kill you, too. (Anton Chekhov)
By all means marry; if you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. (Socrates) |
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This Is It
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 13:36:56
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and it's not even about what you do, so much as for what reason you do it. I read HG Wells, and Alan Watts and listen to FB and paint and do calligraphy and study Buddhism and Vedanta and Summum and things of that nature. Does that make me a better person? Of course not. I do those things because I associate them with improving myself and I like that omniscient feeling I get from time to time when my mind is calm. It's all my opinion though. It doesn't mean that listening to Frank Black is better than listening to the latest roaring metal band or that reading the Tao Te Ching is better than reading a supermarket novel. It's just that the ideas that these activities instill in me are consistent with the type of person I want to be. I can't argue with what people choose to do with their lives, but if they dare to utter a word about how the world is a horrible place and how unfair people are and how crazy other countries can be, well then I have to point out that while they voice concern, their activities speak quite differently.
He who can does - he who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw)
The only difference between doctors and lawyers is that lawyers merely rob you, whereas doctors rob you and kill you, too. (Anton Chekhov)
By all means marry; if you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. (Socrates) |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 14:51:25
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Originally posted by This Is It
I can't argue with what people choose to do with their lives, but if they dare to utter a word about how the world is a horrible place and how unfair people are and how crazy other countries can be, well then I have to point out that while they voice concern, their activities speak quite differently.
that was exactly my point in posting this particular thread.. but i guess that didn't come through. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 15:36:42
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| Another interesting point is that this is the second largest mammal slaughter in the world, after the millions of kangaroo's killed in Australia every year. |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 15:49:05
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quote:
Originally posted by floop
quote:
Originally posted by This Is It
I can't argue with what people choose to do with their lives, but if they dare to utter a word about how the world is a horrible place and how unfair people are and how crazy other countries can be, well then I have to point out that while they voice concern, their activities speak quite differently.
that was exactly my point in posting this particular thread.. but i guess that didn't come through.
Hehe...I got it... |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 15:56:12
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remember, when you point the finger, there are always three pointing right back at you.
literally.
see?
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 17:57:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Another interesting point is that this is the second largest mammal slaughter in the world, after the millions of kangaroo's killed in Australia every year.
If they need some kangaroos killed, I'm surprised the Australian government doesn't just introduce another species to do it. That's "worked" in the past. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 22:02:46
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Yeah, it's always 'smart' to introduce new species to ecosystems..heh..
I'd be curious to find out which species would be willing to try and eat a kangaroo...sure all they eat is grass, but they can be pretty vicious.. Apparently they've found ancient kangaroo fossils of ones that were carnivorous...yikes!! |
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