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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
 Posted - 10/12/2002 : 02:09:36
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O.K. I'm at work and trying to burn an hour and a half before my next English lesson. So I have set myself the challenge of ranking the Frank Black albums from what I think is best to worst (in my opinion)... 1 = Best ...... 9 = Not so best. Here we go.
1 = Frank Black
2 = Teenager of the Year
3 = Dog In The Sand
4 = Devils Workshop
5 = Frank Black & The Catholics
6 = Pistolero
7 = Black Letter Days
8 = Cult of Ray
9 = Kitchen Tapes
Mmmmm, I think thats it.... that was pretty difficult.... and to some extent I'm not too happy with it.
Anyway, I'm interested in what you guys see as the best, and not so best....
Cheers
Stu |
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Don Eduardo
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
403 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 02:14:06
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1 - Teenager Of The Year
2 - Pistolero
3 - Frank Black
4 - Dog In The Sand
5 - Devils Workshop
6 - Black Letter Days
7 - Frank Black & The Catholics
8 - Cult Of Ray
of course, this changes regularly... |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 08:14:28
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1. TOTY
2. DITS
3. Frank Black
4. BLD
5. Pistolero
6. Devils Workshop
7. Cult of Ray
8. Frank Black & the Catholics
what are the kitchen tapes anyway?
1. trompe
2. doolittle
3. bossonova
4. sufer rosa
5. come on pilgrim
-miked |
Edited by - mdisanto on 10/12/2002 21:13:33 |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
1733 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 13:07:55
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1. DITS
2. TOTY
3. BLD
4. Devil's Workshop
5. Frank Black
6. Frank Black and the Catholics
7. Pistolero
8. Cult of Ray
(9. Black Sessions/Kitchen Tapes)
And how about the Pixies? (Sorry, probably should post this elsewhere)
1. Doolittle
2. Surfer Rosa
3. Trompe le Monde
4. Come on Pilgrim
5. Bossanova |
Edited by - Ten Percenter on 10/12/2002 13:11:01 |
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Mike Rutherford
- FB Fan -
USA
171 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 15:19:07
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black letter days
devils workshop
dog in the sand
teenager of the year
pistolero
frank black
cult of ray
fb & c
oddballs
ssmvgd
black sessions/kitchen tapes
Pixies:
surfer rosa
doolittle
bossonova
come on pilgrim
trompe le monde |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 18:46:44
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1. Teenager of the Year
2. Frank Black
3. Dog in the Sand
4. Black Letter Days
5. Pistolero
6. Devil's Workshop
7. Cult of Ray
8. FB and the C's
9. Oddballs
Pixies
1. Doolittle
2. Bossanova
3. Trompe Le Monde
4. Surfer Rosa
5. Come on Pilgrim |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 21:17:31
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Wow, how the hell did I miss out Oddballs. So, my revised ranking would be:
1 = Frank Black
2 = Teenager of the Year
3 = Dog In The Sand
4 = Devils Workshop
5 = Frank Black & The Catholics
6 = Pistolero
7 = Black Letter Days
8 = Cult of Ray
9 = Oddballs
10 = Kitchen Tapes
The Black Sessions / Kitchen Tapes was a french radio broadcast around the time of FB and TOTY (I think 1994). Is it an official release, or is it a bootleg? You never seem to find it in many places and I would guess that most people haven't got it. I would really like to get my hands on ssmvgd though, can anyone be so kind as to get it copied to cd and then mail it to me when I am back in England? I would be forever in debt to you if you could.
Moving on... Pixies rankings:
1 = Surfer Rosa + Come on Pilgrim
2 = Bossanova
3 = Doolittle
4 = Trompe Le Monde
5 = B Sides
6 = Death To Pixies (live cd)
7 = BBC Sessions
8 = Purple Tapes ???? Not too sure about this one as I'll buy this one when I am back in England
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 00:36:38
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This is definitely subject to change, especially the positions of the two new albums.
1. Teenager of the Year
2. Dog in the Sand
3. Frank Black
4. Devil's Workshop
5. The Cult of Ray
6. Pistolero
7. Black Letter Days
8. Frank Black and the Catholics
9. Oddballs
As for the Pixies, I'd go with:
1. Bossanova
2. Trompe Le Monde
3. Doolittle
4. Come On Pilgrim
5. Surfer Rosa
Come On Pilgrim is kind of hard to place, since I don't think there are any really weak songs on it, but it's really short.
Anyway, that's what I say now, but it could easily change upon next listen to any one of them.
Nathan
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 01:18:55
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1-Dog in the MFin Sand
2-Dog in the MFin Sand
3-Dog in the MFin Sand
4-Teenager of the MFin Year
5-Pistol MFin ero
6-Black Letter Days
7-FBatMFC Eponymous
8-Devil's MFin Workshop
9-FB Epon (could be higher up but I hate the production)
10-Cult of MFin Ray
11-SSMVMFGD
I don't think of Oddballs as a real album based on my belief that it's a compendium of oddities. Is that right, or no? If so, I justify leaving it out because it's so much different from having specific sessions for a specific record. Like even with the rehashings of some of the SSMVGD songs on the new records, they re-recorded them. And I most certainly don't consider a pair of basement tapes and an hour from a French live show as a "real" album.
Pixies (Frank's earlier band)
1-Surfer MFin Rosa
2-Doolittle
3-Bossa MFin Nova
4-The Whole Purple Tape (Come On Pilgrim inclusive, right?)
5-Trompe le Mondale
Incidentally, Frank is soooooooooooooooooooo damned prolific. Think about it. The Pixies died ten years ago (it seems way longer, to me anyway). Frank has released eight full-length real live albums since that time, not including SSMVGD. Plus there's a good 50-60 or many many more I suppose B-side and rarity type tracks that came out on Oddballs or otherwise (like Mother Popcorn or Pray for the Girls). Plus I have heard those whisperings of ANOTHER record being made or almost ready or whatever. Wow.
I think this is part of the problem for critics. The lack of red tape for Frank has meant breaking the mold that critics are used to, of some big, fat, shiny star like U2 taking 4 years to come up with 12 songs, 7 of which are nothing more than highly polished petrified horseshit. So instead of lauding him and his atypical profuse flow of robust sound, their heads start spinning and they basically bleat out "THAT DOES NOT COM-PUTE COM-PUTE NOT COMPUTE DANGER WILL ROBINSON BEEEEEEP TILT TILT TILT . . ."
"Plain n' simp--the system's a pimp, but I refuse to be a ho."
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 03:24:35
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FB:
1.frank black
2.teenager of the year
3.dog in the sand
4.black letter days
5.devilīs workshop
6.pistolero
7.frank black & catholics
8.cult of ray
pixies:
1.surfer rosa
2.doolittle
3.bossanova
4.trompe le monde
5.come on pilgrim
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carsonwerner
= Cult of Ray =
USA
254 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 07:05:12
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FB:
1. DITS
2. TOTY
3. Frank Black
4. Black Letter Days
5. Devil's Workshop
6. Pistolero
7. FB&theCs
8. Cult of Ray
pixies:
1. doolittle
2. bossanova
3. Trompe
4. surfer rosa
5. come on pilgrim |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 21:47:08
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2-8 are bound to switch around
1. the teenager of the year
2. the frank black and the catholics
3. the frank black
4. the devil's workshop
5. the pistolero
6. the black letter days
7. the the cult of ray
8. the dog in the sand
It's a tie between 7 and 8. I don't like putting any frank albums last on a list cause honestly i like them all. It's too hard ordering them. Except teenager of the year is my favorite frank blackie album
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7442 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 00:52:35
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Frank:
1 Black Letter Days
2 Frank Black & The Catholics
3 Teenager Of The Year
4 Dog In The Sand
5 Devil's Workshop
6 The Cult Of Ray
7 Frank Black
8 Pistolero
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 03:33:56
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derek, you like all those albums more than dits? i mean i know you said its really hard to list them and it is, but i thought most people considered dits one of the best. just curious... its also weird, to me, how trompe is low on most lists
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 03:34:06
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1. dog in the sand.
2. black letter days
3. frank black
4. pistolero
5. teenager
6. devils workshop
7. frank black and the catholics
8. cult of ray
9. kitchen tapes.
stone to the bone
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alstar
- FB Fan -
Australia
23 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 05:44:38
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I'll have a crack at it.
1. Teenager of the Year
2. Dog in the Sand
3. Frank Black
4. Black Letter Days
5. Frank Black and the Catholics
6. Cult of Ray
7. Devils Workshop
8. Pistolero
Pixies:
1. Doolittle
2. Bossinova
3. Trompe Le Monde
4. Come on Pilgrim
5. Surfer rosa
Don't know what Kitchen tapes and SSMVGD are, never heard them. |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 08:15:10
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Frank:
1.FB&TC's
2.Pistolero
3.Dog In The Sand
4.Black Letter Days
5.Frank Black
6.TOTY
7.Devils Workshop
8.Cult Of Ray
Pixies:
1.Doolittle
2.Trompe Le Monde
3.BBC
4.Come On Pilgrim
5.Surfer Rosa
6.Bossanova
7.B-Sides
8.Purple Tape |
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
287 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 09:23:51
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My list would be:
1. Teenager Of The Year
2. Dog In The Sand
3. Frank Black
4. Black Letter Days
5. Pistolero
6. Devil's Workshop
7. Frank Black & The Catholics
8. Oddballs
9. Cult Of Ray
I unfortunately don't have a copy of SSMVGD so I can't rank it. All of his work is so damn impressive it is so hard to rank them. Definitely Teenager and Dog are his two most impressive albums to date. |
Edited by - frankblackphx on 10/14/2002 09:25:16 |
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Bartholomew
= Cult of Ray =
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 09:57:52
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1. Teenager
--no doubt about it--
2. Devil's Workshop
--maybe #2 cuz it has a "Teenager" spirit to it--
3. Frank Black
--the old standard--
4. Black Letter Days
--some of Frank's most innovative songs since TOTY--
5. Dog
--very good but over-rated--
6. FB & C's
--MUST be played loud to be fully appreciated--
7. Pistolero
--nothing wrong, just not as strong as others--
8. Cult of Ray
--hey, nobody's perfect--
Pixies
1. Surfer Rosa
--the easy pick--
2. Doolittle
3. Bossanova
4. Trompe Le Monde
5. Come on Pilgrim
--too short-- |
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mattkendall
- FB Fan -
USA
52 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 10:04:53
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I don' care to do a whole list, but I have to agree with any and all sentiments that "Dog in the Sand" is the undisputed heavyweight champ of the world.
I'm really coming around to "Devil's Workshop" high on the list, too. "Out of State" I think has to be one of Frank's most intense tunes ever. Hell, the first five tracks, up through "Bartholomew" is like a cannon salvo of really really great song after another.
"And when you get blue and you've lost all your dreams, there's nothin' like a campfire and a can full of beans." |
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Fu Manchu
- FB Fan -
France
17 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 11:11:37
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1 = Teenager of the Year
2 = Frank Black
3 = Dog In The Sand
4 = Black Letter Days
5 = Pistolero
6 = Frank Black & The Catholics
7 = Devils Workshop
8 = Cult of Ray
9 = Kitchen Tapes |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 19:10:15
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quote:
Originally posted by mdisanto
derek, you like all those albums more than dits? i mean i know you said its really hard to list them and it is, but i thought most people considered dits one of the best. just curious... its also weird, to me, how trompe is low on most lists
it's a fantastic record but I haven't listened to it in a few weeks. i more put it near the bottom because of that reason, since i hadn't listened to it in some time. I'm more into Black Letter Days and Devil's Workshop right now. Well obviously since they just came out.
And, yeah, Trompe Le Monde is my favorite Pixies album! Maybe a tie with Doolittle.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2002 : 14:26:07
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1.dog
2.Teenager
3.BLD
4.FB&TC
5.FB
6.Devil's
7.Pistolero
8.Cult
Pixies:
1.Trompe
2.Doolittle
3.Surfer
4.Bosa Nova
5.Pilgrim
How in the H-E-Double hockey sticks could DITS be considered over rated? |
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Leah
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
314 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 00:55:53
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My choices are pretty obvious and the only reason why some of those are loved more than others is to do with their timing in relation to my own evolutionary processes. Also, the formats I own them on dictates how often they get played - I own 4 types of personal noisemaker and it depends what kind of day I'm in...
1.Cult
2.Teenager
3.Dog
4.FB&TC
5.BLD
6.Devils
7.Pistolero
8.Oddballs
9.FB
Pixies:
1.Bossanova
2.Doolittle
3.Sufer
4.Planet
5.Pilgrim
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steveplymouthuk
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 13:54:02
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heres my 2pence worth:
FB:
1)Pistolero
2)Dog in the Sand
3)Teenager
4)Frank Black
--- BLD& devil's will probably end up here somewhere
5)FB and the Cs
6)Oddballs
7)cult of ray
it seems there is a love it or loathe it attitude towards cult. I love it but the others are that good it still comes last!
Pixies:
1)at the bbc
2)bossanova
3)doolittle
4)surfer rosa
5)come on pilgrim
6)Purple tape
7)Trompe le monde
though im sure my opinion is of no use to anyone! |
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gary13th
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
632 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2002 : 14:38:59
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Mine (though its hard to choose)
1: Black Letter Days
2: Pistolero
3: Devils Workshop
4: Dog in the Sand
5: SSMVGD
6: Teenager of the year
7: Frank Black
8: Cult of ray
9: Oddballs
10: Kitchen tapes
~you will get used to me, welcome to your new joy
Heloise by FB&TC |
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Chip Away Boy
= Cult of Ray =
914 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2002 : 00:26:09
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quote:
Originally posted by mdisanto
... its also weird, to me, how trompe is low on most lists
-miked
i dont think its low because its not good, cuz its great. I just think its lower because doolittle and surfer are so damn good |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7442 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2002 : 00:43:35
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Gary13th, you forgot Frank Black & The Catholics...
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2002 : 02:03:17
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1. BLD
2. Devil's Workshop
3. DITS
4. TOTY
5. FB&C
6. COR
7. Frank Black
8. Pistolero
9. Oddballs
10. SSMVGD
11. Black Sessions
Surfa Rosa
Doolittle
Come On PIlgrim
Tompe Le Monde
Bossanova
10.
"Snooch to the Nooch" |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2002 : 12:02:30
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It's so hard!
My flexible rating
1. Dog In The Sand
2. Frank Black
3. Cult of Ray (cause that was my first intro to Frank)
4. Teenager of the Year
5. Black Letter Days
6. Devil's Workshop
7. Pistolero
8. Oddballs
As for the Pixies;
1. Sufer Rosa
2. Doolittle
3. Trompe Le Monde
4. Come on Pilgrim
5. Bossanova
Sheesh, it's so hard - like picking your favorite kid or something...
girlie so groovy I want you to know... |
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Old Neptuna
- FB Fan -
Ireland
200 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2002 : 10:54:57
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Very tough one - like asking what was your favorite steak dinner!
At the moment - it has to be Devils Workshop, closely followed by Pistolero, (which never seems to go far away). All the rest jostle for 1st and 2nd at various other times.
Pixies was Trompe le Monde, followed by all the rest in 2nd.
Changes all the time though - such a huge and diverse body of work! |
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d3niz3n
- FB Fan -
Canada
75 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2002 : 11:15:37
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1. DITS
2. TOTY
3. DW
4. OB
5. BLD
6. SSMVGD
7. FB & C's (yes, very high volume indeed)
8. Frank Black
9. COR
10. Pistolero
11. Black Sessions
Pixies (why not?):
1. Surfer Rosa
2. Come on Pilgrim
3. Complete B-Sides
4. Doolittle
5. Bossanova
6. Trompe
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7442 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2002 : 07:30:00
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Poll closed... And the results:
1) Teenager Of The Year - 1950 points
2) Dog In The Sand - 1908
3) Black Letter Days - 1508
4) Frank Black - 1414
5) Devil's Workshop - 1057
6) Pistolero - 1017
7) Frank Black & The Catholics - 944
8) The Cult Of Ray - 627
1) Doolittle - 1580
2) Surfer Rosa - 1510
3) Bossanova - 1360
4) Trompe Le Monde - 1300
5) Come On Pilgrim - 1120
Don't ask how I calculated this...
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