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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
 Posted - 04/28/2003 : 08:36:04
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Does anyone have any info about what the extent of FB's recent vocal coaching consisted of?
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pong
= Cult of Ray =
France
315 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2003 : 11:39:31
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to scream the more he can !
- Pong
"i'll be on the first fligh" |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2003 : 12:00:25
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| I believe he's actually trying to sing deeper, if I'm not mistaken. Frank has mastered the falsetto ever since Caribou. I'm excited for the new album, he said he was trying to sing like Leonard Coen. Anyone up for Frank cutting an off the cuff acoustic singer songwriter album inbetween Catholics releases? |
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Perhaps
- FB Fan -
133 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2003 : 12:04:47
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I'd love to hear a ballad-type album. I think we all know the man can do it. I think it wouild blow alot of people away.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/28/2003 : 12:15:52
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| no shit, just listen to his version of Duke Of Earl.. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2003 : 12:48:34
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Originally posted by Perhaps
I'd love to hear a ballad-type album. I think we all know the man can do it.
I guess the new album might have a few seeing as he said they are all sad songs.
Mainly I thought there might be some certain vocal excercises that he does. Screaming can ruin you if you don't do it right. I am sure he knows how to do it right at he MUSICALLY screamed his entire set just about in Nashville.
Some people might get the wrong idea, but really, he can musically scream if that makes sense. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2003 : 14:35:49
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his voice can go higher
I mean he was trying to catch the peaks he sang during the early pixies days. When you're groing older your voice gets lower. So he really learned how to get that vibe back. I read somewhere that he also tries to go lower than everbefore
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2003 : 18:33:04
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| I love it when he gets REALLY low and the words just kind of roll out (don't really kow how else to describe it). I'd give anything to be able to sing like that, and the thing is, his voice isn't a really annoyingly deep voice like the guy in The Calling (sorry to mention them here). My favorite part of a song were he does this is definitely on Czar on the "Time". I love that part. End of Miles is pretty deep too |
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Doryphore
- FB Fan -
Belgium
111 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2003 : 00:45:17
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| yeah, also like in King & Queen of Siam, right? 'like a man from texas well I sure can playayay'. I really love that. |
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2003 : 08:02:23
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quote:
Originally posted by the swimmer
quote:
Originally posted by Perhaps
I'd love to hear a ballad-type album. I think we all know the man can do it.
I guess the new album might have a few seeing as he said they are all sad songs.
Mainly I thought there might be some certain vocal excercises that he does. Screaming can ruin you if you don't do it right. I am sure he knows how to do it right at he MUSICALLY screamed his entire set just about in Nashville.
Some people might get the wrong idea, but really, he can musically scream if that makes sense.
"Musically screaming..." -- A colleague of mine once told me, "Rock and roll singing is hollering in tune," and to some extent, I agree. But if you're not doing it correctly, you can really mess up your vocal chords. A very famous example of this is (get this) Bill Clinton. His voice was shot a year into office because when he made speeches, he used the wrong parts of his voice to make strong statements. He had to get training to stave off further damage.
So, I would bet that would be part of FB's curruculum -- maintaining that rock and roll holler while enlarging his range and looking for long-term vocal preservation. Although I always thought he had a marvelous dynamic and harmonic range -- how fun to see that a lot of that was natural to begin with and he's only now beginning to get formal training. I can't wait to hear the results!!! |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 06:59:27
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So... does anybody have any tips when it comes to a correct way of screaming? I'm a little worried now, cause I'm singing for my new band and I don't want to ruin my voice.
How about some Ether? |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 07:03:43
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yeah, if anyone knows how to "correctly" scream your lungs out, I would like to know as well. I think there are times when i've done it right (with no noticeable after-effect) and other times when I've felt like i had a cheese-shredder lodged in my throat.
so what's the deal? |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 12:03:27
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Originally posted by misterwoe
So... does anybody have any tips when it comes to a correct way of screaming? I'm a little worried now, cause I'm singing for my new band and I don't want to ruin my voice.
How about some Ether?
You shouldn't scream in your throat, you should focus it more through your nose. The bottom line is that most people can't scream like Frank without damaging themselves. I'd be willing to bet he's damaged himself also.
I've heard that Robert Plant and Chris Cornell both had to have vocal cord surgery because of the damage they did. (I have a theory that Cornell left Soundgarden because he didn't want to have to sing those songs anymore. None of the stuff he's done since has come close to the vocal abuse of "Jesus Christ Pose")
I know for a fact that the lead singer of The Sheila Divine blew out his voice mid tour and was getting adrenalin injections straight into his throat so he could finish the tour.
Make sure your vocal cords are nice and moist. If you drink a lot of caffeine or beer, drink extra water. Or try that chug a shot of Olive Oil trick before you sing. Your vocal cords (for lack of a better analogy) are like pasta; if they are moist, they are soft and flexible, but if they are dry, they are easy to break.
Also, make sure to gradually cool down after singing / screaming. Don't just sing your screamy song and then stop, sing a softer song afterwards to ease out of it. Likewise, I wouldn't scream right off the bat either. Warm up first.
If you're serious about singing and don't want to hurt yourself, you HAVE to take lessons. You need a professional outside observer to tell you what your doing wrong and how to fix it. Most of the time it's something you'd never think of yourself, like your posture or maybe you tense your shoulders when you sing.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 13:40:52
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| Atheist - interesting and useful info, man. Thanks. |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 09:09:03
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Yes, thank you.
How about some Ether? |
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faceforaudio
- FB Fan -
40 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 15:58:35
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| hes had vocal lessons? jeez i mean i love the way he can fluctuate his voice and all and his voice sounds good but its just not like anything that sounds like at least extensive work has gone into. dont take me wrong i love his voice okay. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 16:52:43
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| I remember he was pissed off at the NME for saying "sounds like someone's been taking voice lessons" when the Velouria single came out. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 17:27:12
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Originally posted by faceforaudio
hes had vocal lessons? jeez i mean i love the way he can fluctuate his voice and all and his voice sounds good but its just not like anything that sounds like at least extensive work has gone into. dont take me wrong i love his voice okay.
You make it sound like it's ballet lessons. I mean seriously, you try screaming like that for so long and see if you can still talk at all.
Voice lessons aren't just for opera singers. Open your mind. |
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faceforaudio
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Posted - 05/03/2003 : 17:32:03
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i see sarcasm taken wrong so much on this forum. i know, and i have no tollerance for close minded people. sorry, in some songs his voice even reminds me of sting's like in "monkey gone to heaven".
and i do remember the quote "sounds like someone's been taking voice lessons" and i find it to be quite humorous and a compliment |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 20:48:46
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Also take into consideration that FB is pulling off vocals live to 2 that most artists have to comp from 24 takes and then pitch correct.
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 22:01:12
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I really need to take voice lessons. I want to sing like Mariah Carey.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 22:44:01
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| Any singer who wants to sing properly needs proper lessons if they want their voice to last. Singing and screaming improperly can damage the chords. I always remember the quote that about someone teaching FB how to properly scream. It was something along the lines of "Sing 'Oh Darling' [Beatles] 'like you hate that bitch.'" Excellent line. I remember hearing he's been taking vocal lessons in recent history. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2003 : 03:13:45
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more range and more power
punk opera style
biatch 
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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WolfManMikeLonely
= Cult of Ray =
USA
936 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 08:38:25
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I scream a helluva lot in my band and I've taken lessons I'd have to reiterate the points that you need to warm up before going into the screaming stuff and I usually drink water after every song. And if you want to get a great scream I found it odd that Chino from the deftones seems to double over when he screams a lot because I thought it would wind you really bad to compress the lungs while screaming, but it just helps wrench everything out that much better. Ok, this was a pointless post, sorry.
"Hey fuck you if you don't like it."
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 11:33:10
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i think once i graduate next may i'm gonna start taking vocal lessons - its invaluable to a singer, and i want to improve. however, i just don't have the time now with my class/internship/work schedule.
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 11:38:02
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Originally posted by blackpurse
A very famous example of this is (get this) Bill Clinton. His voice was shot a year into office because when he made speeches, he used the wrong parts of his voice to make strong statements. He had to get training to stave off further damage.
Yep, I remember discussing Mr. Bill's vocal problems in an acting class once--his particular vocal faux pas is known as "vocal fry." (Sounds very scientific, doesn't it?) :-) |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2003 : 12:10:33
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| You can also wreck your voice if you sing while you are smoking (i.e. Sammy Davis, JR) - it can cause pollups on your vocal chords, among other problems. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2003 : 13:04:32
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| Weird..smoking is okay, just don't sing and smoke? |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2003 : 21:40:14
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Acid reflux can damage your vocal cords as well.
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2003 : 12:18:09
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well... I'm gonna die with a fucked up throat then aye?
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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