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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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 Posted - 05/01/2003 : 08:07:44
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Originally posted by Brackish Girl
i think songwriters are cool when they can bring you into another world, rather than whining about this one.but they can whine about love tho, cos to quote that famous song, 'love hurts'.
say anything mean about joey, and i'll punch you. hard. on the shoulder.
That's very true. Like a drug, music is mood altering. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 08:36:48
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Blackpurse, but I like when some bands only satisfy some moods. I mean, would you rather Joy Division have a few funny novelty songs in the mix? For the record, I'm still 20. I realize once you get to a certain age, you don't listen to bands like Joy Division anymore, but that age is still a ways away for me.
Yeah I realize there are some geniunely funny bands, like the Beatles sense of humor was great--but there are just as many bands with awful senses of humor as there are bands who take themselves too seriously. |
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 10:57:16
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Originally posted by Itchload
but there are just as many bands with awful senses of humor as there are bands who take themselves too seriously.
You're right. There's the difference between -- to use a business/retail term -- "boutique" vs. "full service". (I personally have an affection for instrumental surf bands.) I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them, and sometimes to satisfy a specific need, you're best off going "boutique". My point is that the really GREAT bands, the really influencial musicians, the ones that are almost universally acknowledged as significant, are almost always "Full Service". Look at somebody like Johnny Cash. Nobody doubts that he's clearly country, but he covered the entire range of emotion: joy, sadness, dark, light, humor, seriousness so well within the country idiom that people who aren't necessarily into country still acknowledge his greatness and perhaps have a copy of "The Songs of Johnny Cash" in their record collection. That's full service. I like(d) Joy division too, clearly a boutique band, but frankly, nobody outside that idiom really likes them. But if they attempted a humorous tune, they'd fail miserably. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 11:01:57
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Johnny Cash also covered a Nine Inch Nails tune.
(You could have it all) |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 11:14:51
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the other MOJO article people are talking about is uploaded on the yahoo group planetofpixies. (in the files section, i believe) so, i guess you have to join to read it.. but it's worth the read.
the planetofpixies group is otherwise basically lame..
check it out.. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 13:41:06
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johnny cash's version of you could have it all is brilliant! i was listenin to it on the radio, crying.
say anything mean about joey, and i'll punch you. hard. on the shoulder. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 13:46:40
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He should have kept the "crown of shit" lyric, though. I always liked the stark fucked-up-ness of that lyric.
Then again, I guess "crown of thorns" is imagery more suitable to Johnny Cash. |
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Old Man River
- FB Fan -
Falkland Islands
7 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 13:59:29
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Just wanna say that I have genuinely enjoyed reading this thread, from top to bottom.
You guys and gals are true music fans... keep up the good work and honest thinking. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 14:07:55
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Originally posted by Brackish Girl
johnny cash's version of you could have it all is brilliant! i was listenin to it on the radio, crying.
say anything mean about joey, and i'll punch you. hard. on the shoulder.
I agree, I think I like it better than the original |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 17:26:23
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| Blackpurse--On the Joy Division note, they only recorded 2 albums. I mean, if you look at Johnny Cash's first two albums, you're not gonna find much diversity either. And they did have a sense of humor. On Still they're a live version of "Sister Ray" that's kind of half-assed and at the end Ian Curtis laughs and says "you should hear our version of Louie Louie" (which they did cover believe it or not). Also, their last song recorded was "Ceremony" and that's actually an uplifting song (though not funny I guess). I don't like New Order as much, but it was the same band members, and New Order certainly manage to record some serious Joy Division-y songs along with funny, quirky ones as well. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2003 : 17:33:53
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| For the record though, I understand what you mean by Full-service artists, and I definitely think of Frank as one of them. Frank's catalogue is one of the most diverse I can think of, in terms of emotions covered. (It's not like he's throwing in hip hop beats or working on an avant-electronica album on the side). He's made full albums of one particular mood (Surfer Rosa starts off as a wild crazy ride and never lets up) and other albums that cover the whole spectrum (Teenager, BLD), but I have to say I'm really looking forward to his new album because I want to see what he can do with a full length project of his more serious side. |
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Old Man River
- FB Fan -
Falkland Islands
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 04:47:07
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Itchload : What makes you think the new FB is his "more serious side?"
Did that idea come from a few press blurbs or do you know more about it?
As far as I know, only NME and Billboard have written something about it
and Billboard's blurb was simply a re-stating of what NME said. And, of
course, NME is notoriously inaccurate, prefering to push their own, or the
indvidual journalist's own, agenda. I don't think I could trust anything that comes
out of the English press about Frank Black. They still haven't forgiven him
for breaking up the Pixies and for ten years now have taken every opportunity
to trash him; especially on a personal level. Anyway, the new record may indeed
be a more serious record, or perhaps just a more personal record, but I would
be wary about trusting NME's assessment of the record. I'm willing to bet that
there isn't a sole at the NME who has yet heard it. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 08:48:11
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| Wow, someone really hates the NME eh? I don't blame you really, but again the NME doesn't like any band/artist after they release more than 3 albums. I mean, they interviewed Frank and that's what he said. He's also said so in other interviews. Though I'm not sure how the NME saying his new album is more serious would be part of some bizarre grudge match for breaking up the Pixies 10 years ago ... |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 22:52:35
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NME are crap, they are a bandwagon paper thats not even worth wiping your arse with, let alone reading. Mojo is a much better read, plus you cannot wipe your arse with it as the glossy finish to the pages do not create enough friction to enable a successful wipe.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 22:54:37
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Not only that, it was NME who suggested quite absurdely that Kim was the driving force behind the Pixies despite the fact that Frank wrote 95% of the songs.....
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 06:35:02
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i fucking hate the nme. its aimed at 13 year old schoolkids who think its cool to slit their wrists. They hype bands up to such an extent that you could only ever be disappointed when the "groudbreaking" first album turns out to be distictly average.
on the topic of a rift, although its never been confirmed by frank, its pretty clear that there was bad feeling between him and kim. on the no aloha forum people claim to have read interviews with kim where she says that she resented just being a backing singer/bassist and that she wanted to explore different avenues. All i can say is thank god she did, as now we have frank and the breeders, two great bands where only one prevoiusly exsisted.
This seems to happen to most bands where one person creates 90% of the songs. Its only natural that other creative people in that band will begin to get frustrated.
As to whether bad feeling still remains, who knows, i certaintly don't but it seems unlikely given the amount of time thats past
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 16:20:59
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gracie's smart and right.
say anything mean about joey, and i'll punch you. hard. on the shoulder. |
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2003 : 04:58:27
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Originally posted by Old Man River
I don't think I could trust anything that comes
out of the English press about Frank Black.
... at the risk of being a namedropper, that brought back a wonderful interview I had some 20 years ago with Exene Cervenka, where she said "Dealing with the english press is like Professional Wrestling... they're going to do what they want to do and say, and you just play your part correctly, and it's bullshit to keep it all up."
She said earlier in the interview: "You can't win with the English press. They'll say you're too fat, your clothes are wrong, you can do anyting but Americans can't play good rock and roll."
Having never read the english press at the time, (I was but a doe-eyed college junior interviewing my first real rock star) I just nodded politely and changed the subject: she was really upset about what had been written about her and up to that point in the interview she was wonderfully open and friendly, had I not changed the subject I get the impression my interview would have slowed down to a halt.
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