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NotaNinja
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 Posted - 03/29/2003 : 13:57:26
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Hey, long time Frank Black & the Catholics fan.
I paid $20 to see them at the Double Door last night, and they played mebbe a total of 90 minutes (including encore.) Then they left for their trailer and the roadies started picking up everything. gee, i feel a little cheated. |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2003 : 16:23:59
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i'd pay $100 to see frank and the band play for 60 minutes.
but how was the show? |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2003 : 19:13:10
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Originally posted by NotaNinja
Hey, long time Frank Black & the Catholics fan.
I paid $20 to see them at the Double Door last night, and they played mebbe a total of 90 minutes (including encore.) Then they left for their trailer and the roadies started picking up everything. gee, i feel a little cheated.
Hey maybe you and Tchoky can get together and have a whining party.
It sounds like your pussy hurts. |
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NotaNinja
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 03/29/2003 : 19:41:18
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i knew this was the wrong place to voice my disappointment. ;)
the show itself was really good if not brief. i managed to work my way up to about 15ft from frank black (about 10ft from rich gilbert if that's important). i'd be terrible if i were keeping track of setlist, but i recall "where is my mind", "manitoba", "robert onion", "six sixty six", "los angeles" offhand. his live version of "gouge away" was better than the pixies' version, and i sang every word of "how you went so far" along with the man. it was a good show, but for twenty bucks i wasn't missing anything being cramped in a bar with 300 idiotic fratguy pixies fans with respect to the album versions. |
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stymie
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2003 : 21:19:45
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| Whatever man! I saw two shows this tour and both were between 90 and 100 minutes long. That's fine that's what I've seen since '94 until a couple of years ago when he started playing two set shows or 2 and half hour sets! That was great as well! I'll take what I can get, I don't know about you. Please save your money next time and don't go, so that I can have a little elbow room please! |
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2003 : 01:50:58
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| I just got back from the Sat. show,and the folks we talked to that were there said the Friday crowd was rather boorish. I'll say that tonight's crowd was very well-mannered and a good time was had by all....more later |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2003 : 06:18:29
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the last time i saw frank his set went till like 1 or 1:30 in the morning, and everyone in the crowd was so dead by the end. but it was still cool, i paid like 18. 20 for a concert is hardly anything though, its not much more than a cd, but usually cooler albeit one time use only
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Marbonn
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 03/30/2003 : 07:51:59
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| I was at the Saturday night show and I have to say it was the best $20 I ever spent and did not feel cheated in the least. I have never seen an artist give as much as they did in a 90 minute set. Brilliant from beginning to end. I have to agree that it was a good crowd too, 21 and over helps. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2003 : 08:59:32
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hey im only 18, i dont get rowdy, 21+ sucks when it means i cant see a band i really like! hehe glad that you enjoyed it though
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2003 : 09:30:15
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sounds like it might be time to get a fake ID mike :) you've still got 3 years to go till you're 21, think of all the Frank shows you could miss..
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2003 : 09:40:19
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haha hook me up. i considered getting one after i was forced in the balcony for the JSBX show becuase the floor was reserved for drunk adults:)
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Vicki
- FB Fan -
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2003 : 11:38:12
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| I totally understand your disapointment. I've seen him seven times and these last two were the most disappointing. I DID get to meet him this time, and that was great, but the shows weren't the best. Don't misunderstand, I was very happy to see them and the sound was good. I just think it's time to retire those same Pixie songs. I think he wants to people please and the crowd at the underage shows are mostly there to hear that stuff because it's still new to them. It was pretty telling when he came out after the show wearing a "we cheat tourists and drunks" t-shirt. I heard more from BLD and DW @ the shows prior to their release, which seams to be an established modus operandi.(I have no idea if I spelled that correctly, but I like to say it) |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
653 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2003 : 11:39:13
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Originally posted by NotaNinja
it was a good show, but for twenty bucks i wasn't missing anything being cramped in a bar with 300 idiotic fratguy pixies fans with respect to the album versions.
While I beg to differ as to the relative merits of listening to an album versus seeing this particular lineup do their thing in a live setting, ninety minutes is certainly more than most headlining club bands play these days.
However, NotaNinja does make a valid point about the crowds. Now that word has gotten out that Frank is playing a fistful of Pixies songs in his sets, the crowds are often filled with obnoxious backhat-wearing frat types who were turned onto the Pixies late through crappy emo bands that namecheck them and the soundtrack to Fight Club. Most don't know anything about FB's solo material, nor do they care to.
It's a little like R.E.M.'s breakthrough Green Tour, when 3/4 of the audiences were middle school kids whose first exposure to the band was singalong pabulum like "Shiny Happy People" and "Stand". It was depressing, but that's what puts asses in seats...
~ Peter Radiator
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Vicki
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2003 : 11:40:00
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| If you're 18 and drunk, you are also a drunk adult. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2003 : 12:42:23
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Originally posted by peter radiator
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It's a little like R.E.M.'s breakthrough Green Tour, when 3/4 of the audiences were middle school kids whose first exposure to the band was singalong pabulum like "Shiny Happy People" and "Stand". It was depressing, but that's what puts asses in seats...
"Shiny Happy People" came out AFTER the Green Tour. But point taken. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
653 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2003 : 05:20:11
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Originally posted by the swimmer
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Originally posted by peter radiator
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It's a little like R.E.M.'s breakthrough Green Tour, when 3/4 of the audiences were middle school kids whose first exposure to the band was singalong pabulum like "Shiny Happy People" and "Stand". It was depressing, but that's what puts asses in seats...
"Shiny Happy People" came out AFTER the Green Tour. But point taken.
You're right! "Stand" was the one that brought them all out. I guess my memory has lumped all the panering songs from that general period of the band together...
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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Meatpants
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Posted - 03/31/2003 : 07:46:54
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Great show on Saturday night, they were on for almost 2 hours I think.
Also, I saw them a few tours ago at Metro and they played well over 2 hours, and it was almost to the point of being too LONG, as everyone was exhausted by the end. |
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Radcliffe
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/03/2003 : 10:48:25
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I have to say that I agree with the Friday night show not being all that. However, I have to blame it on the crowd, not the band. I have seen Franky play so many times I have lost count (6 within just this last year, how could I be so lucky). But anyway, last year, I thought that the first show in Chicago was awesome, and the second was just good. So being very limited financially, we decided to only go to the first show this tour. I was so let down that we bought tickets to the next nights show before we left, knowing that we just would kill ourselves if we didn't go. I just didn't get my Frank fulfillment. I am so happy I did, Saturday nights show kicked puppy ass. It started off with Frank playing a few songs by himself, and then he brought out Lyle aka Rich Gilbert. (http://www.lyleworkman.com) I am so glad Lyle is back playing with them, he totally rules, and if Frank Black wasn't Christ himself, I think that Lyle could have stolen the show. So after they played a song together, they brought out David McCaffrey and played another. Dave Philips was the next to show up for another song, and finally Scott made his appearance and added some drums. It was this slow bone chilling build up, and I have to say it shows what a phenomenal band they are playing so tight with no drumbeat to keep them together. To make a long story short, it was completely mind blowing just how it always was. The crowd was completely different on Saturday, and Friday night did seem like a Jocko night with everyone wanting to here that one song that was on that one movie called Fight Club. It seemed like a large portion of the crowd was bussed in from some suburban wasteland and they felt the need to act tough cuz they where at a rock concert. On Saturday night we even heard Frank make a comment to Dave saying that the crowd looked and seemed way better than the night before. As for the David Lovering act, I was amused with it the first night and thought that it was a lot of fun. However, seeing it two nights in a row, it was very disturbing on how everything was completely identical. I mean the little jokes thrown in, everything, it was all completely staged. Even with the little Love, Love, Love you he sang, he did it on his own on Saturday night because no one in the crowd gave him an opportunity to work it in somehow from the little ask me Pixies questions segment. Since I am on a rampage here, I might as well throw in the fact that I am totally fed up with this Pixies crap. I mean come on, the Pixies are gone, its over. This is my opinion, but I think that Frank Black and The Catholics are wayyyy better than the Pixies ever where, or could have hoped to been. Seriously, give it a rest, no more asking Frank to leave a better band to go on a Pixies reunion tour. I am also so sick and tired of the retard running up from the back of the crowd to prance around when they here a Pixies song being played. Remember, your ticket stub says Frank Black, not the lead singer of the Pixies who just might play some old music. Please stop insulting this man and actually give his new material a chance. What am I saying new, he has been playing without the Pixies a lot longer than he was playing with them. Seriously, I just wish that he would put those songs back to sleep where they belong. I think that it would help contain the tard factor at his shows, but then again I am sure that it affords him a better lifestyle, which he deserves, so maybe I should shut the hell up.
BTW The record signing / meet Frank Black / solo show at Tower Records was awesome. Frank seemed very laid back, joking about the chili stain on his shirt and playing very relaxed. It was great to see him with so few people there and even better to actually meet him and get a chance to talk to him. I’m just looking back thinking on how lame I am to have only come up with “Frank you totally rock” when put in the presence of what I think is my generations most amazing musician.
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Perhaps
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Posted - 04/03/2003 : 11:26:46
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...absolutely....
I went to Chi. and Mil. shows. Really, it was the third time I've been out on the town in Chicago, and I really just didn't want to look at the "kids" (19-25's) I saw. It was the whole vibe. I went to Chic. show in OCT (?) and got that vibe. Just a bunch of black leather and dress shoes. Not that those things are inherently bad, but they ususally don't make there way to a show that people go to in order to appreciate an aesthetic that goes beyond glits and glamour. THese people were not there for the show, in itself.
This is not at all what I had ever seen at a FB show (mil, providence, boston, or san diego). Not wanting to even be a member of that collective, I actually respect FB and the band for doing there 90-minute thing and getting out of there.
I'll tell you what, it only took about a 2.5 hour drive, or 200 miles, in order to play with a smile...
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2003 : 11:53:38
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Originally posted by Radcliffe
It started off with Frank playing a few songs by himself, and then he brought out Lyle aka Rich Gilbert. (http://www.lyleworkman.com) I am so glad Lyle is back playing with them, he totally rules, and if Frank Black wasn't Christ himself, I think that Lyle could have stolen the show.
Lyle Workman and Rich Gilbert are NOT the same person. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2003 : 15:53:43
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| hmm..i wonder if this had anything to do with the 'pro' recording of the show? =P |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2003 : 17:20:45
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
hmm..i wonder if this had anything to do with the 'pro' recording of the show? =P
Lyle Workman was not there. It was Rich Gilbert. Have you all gone mad?
"Winter blows through my coat"
the what four http://www.mp3.com/phelan |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2003 : 17:40:02
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| To all you people complaining about crap just shut the hell up, your at a concert for pete's sakes, if you dont like it then don't go. |
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Radcliffe
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USA
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Posted - 04/03/2003 : 19:12:21
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I will say that I could be totally wrong, and if you are completely positive, then thank you for clearing me up about that. I thought that they weren’t the same person, but my friend swore up and down that they were and he is a guitar wielding gear head, so I took his word for it. If I remember correctly Lyle is a little bigger, and little fuller looking, and Rich is thin as a rail. Other than that, I think that they do look extremely similar.
Thanks
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DrBone
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Posted - 04/03/2003 : 19:47:05
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I haven't been to an FB show in the past 5 years that was rowdy in the LEAST. And I don't think ANY frat guys care about the Pixies anymore... WTF is this? 1990? Anyway... the duration of a Frank Black show should never be the issue. I think we were all spoiled with the Dog in the Sand concerts that went forever and rocked our asses off. Now he's just putting on good, short shows. Who cares? And why all the stratification of age and all that BS? He's a point in his career where he doesn't care and it DOESN'T MATTER who comes to the shows. So why should we... Just hope for a good setlist and the regular Catholics tight-as-shit rock and roll spectacular.
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2003 : 21:03:54
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wtf is so "terrible" about keeping a good setlist. I know I always want to know what they played.
We used to talk about having a record of when the last time he played each of his songs live. Too much I guess, but still a great idea.
I well posted setlist helps those who cannot attend shows live vicariously through you, coupled with a good review.
So no thinks you're lame for posting a setlist. Post the fuck away!
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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Chroneos
- FB Fan -
USA
198 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 02:22:26
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Originally posted by peter radiator
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Originally posted by NotaNinja
it was a good show, but for twenty bucks i wasn't missing anything being cramped in a bar with 300 idiotic fratguy pixies fans with respect to the album versions.
However, NotaNinja does make a valid point about the crowds. Now that word has gotten out that Frank is playing a fistful of Pixies songs in his sets, the crowds are often filled with obnoxious backhat-wearing frat types who were turned onto the Pixies late through crappy emo bands that namecheck them and the soundtrack to Fight Club. Most don't know anything about FB's solo material, nor do they care to.
Heh heh, I think I may have met the type, I've turned a few people onto FB&theC's and in fact I was turned onto the Pixies through Frank Black's solo stuff. I discovered Frank Black & the Catholics through Miracle Legion. It's fascinating that Scott & Dave (McCaffrey) have gone from one sound to another so easily, but that says something about their versatility and skill as musicians. Such versatility appears to be a strong element in Frank Black and the Catholics as a whole. In fact, the only other drastic metamorphosis similar that I can think of at present would be the Beatles.
But back on track now, to me, at least, the fact that he's playing Pixies songs live isn't making me want a Pixies reunion or anything like that, but is essentially saying "We're better than the Pixies" because everything kicked ass on 3/20/03 and anything I had heard of the Pixies paled in comparison. Yes! If something pales in comparison and is still deemed great, that should speak volumes.
-Ben
P.S. I only paid $15 for a ticket.  ...but then of course there was the hat (add $15) and the drinks (add $15) so $45, but I'd do it again, no question. Plus I already have the hat.  |
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CrackityJones
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USA
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Posted - 04/07/2003 : 13:45:51
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I was at the Saturday night show and I have to say it was the best $20 I ever spent and did not feel cheated in the least. I have never seen an artist give as much as they did in a 90 minute set. Brilliant from beginning to end. I have to agree that it was a good crowd too, 21 and over helps.
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Mr Grieves
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Posted - 04/20/2003 : 15:59:42
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It's a bit unfair to slag off all the younger Pixies fans. I'm 19 and I've been a huge Pixies fan for a couple of years (my favourite band). Now I'm getting into Frank's solo stuff but that's gonna take a while, he's been that prolific. Also being a student and into a lot of new music means I can't just go out and buy his entire back catalogue. So i see what you're saying but give the younger fans a break.
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echo park
- FB Fan -
Saint Barthelemy
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Posted - 04/23/2003 : 19:05:00
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| 90 minutes - yeah, keep in mind these guys are going rapid fire. At the El Rey show (L.A.) there was almost no space between the songs, particularly the first 12 songs or so. It was fun to watch Dave Philips at the end of each song it would always immediately lock on to FB like a tracking device, in the hopes of seeing/hearing what the first chords comng next would be so he would know what song to be ready to play. It was an onslaught, all night, it was fun to watch Rich almost dive for the keyboard while still wearing the guitar, last chord having just rung out from one song and a key piano line being needed already with no real notice. his hands started playing before he got on the bench. I think we got luckier with about 2 hours. It was a LOT of music, they probably got 5 or 6 songs in the space that most bands have between songs. My girlfriend and I were ecstatic and I had felt this point of saturation where it just didn't matter to me what happened next. But the nuggets kept coming. Is this the hardest working band in show business? |
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spoon
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Posted - 05/14/2003 : 14:52:06
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Okay just some thoughts....
Interesting comments in this thread.
Well I was at Friday's show but not Saturday's (girlfriends man, they'll get ya). I thought the show was a good length....sometimes too long can become tiresome for my older self. It was rapid fire for sure...I have seen him do longer sets but 90 minutes is damn good. Tickets (for non-lo-dough-shows) have been ~$20 forever so I do not see how that would shock anyone.
Oh that crowd. Now I have _only_ seen him in Chicago, however, those in that crowd that are being deemed undesirable, well those people are representative of that _venue_. I dont like the Dbl Door for that very reason. That area attracts (among others) a caliber of "partier" that the Metro or the Riv doesnt really get.
I had just seen a local band there a month before (www.emilieautumn.com) and though she is way less rock&roll, some of this same over-drunk crowd was there. Odd.
Dont like the DD...anyway, I didnt think the Pixies attracted "frat" boys. In fact I went to the UofI (largest "greek" system in the nation) and none of these guys seemed to be into the Pixies. So I was a bit perplexed by comments alluding to that phenomena. As far as the Chicago show is concerned...I think the "frat" element is really the drunk partier and is more a factor of a changing party scene (some would argue wicker park are is not the party spot it used to be).
And that band is tight!...one of the hardest working groups playing for sure. Playing Pixie songs is not bad. It's only a handful. Consider it paying homage to his roots. Those tracks are still some of the best around and where they lack in complexity to his newer stuff they makeup for it with sheer power and brilliant originality. The ground work for what was to come.
Calling FB&C a "better" band is really only a flame war in the making. They are better musicians for sure. Heck the only established musician from the Pixies was David Lovering and maybe Kim's guitar playing which was never really utilized. However the Pixies had an amazing vibe, be it raw purity or innovative brilliance, I have yet to experience at any other concert. To be amazed (no pun intended) the way those Pixie concerts did...it is inexplicable. The most intense energy level I have ever seen...similar (but different of course) to the Bull's (or any team's) championship playoff games. I mean the crowd vibe was truly inspiring.
No I was not around to see early Zepplin or Beatles and such, so I wont make comparisons to the baddest, freshest thing ever, BUT they had a uniqueness not matched by any band in their day or 5 years after for sure. Nothing (at that time) compared to those shows.
I have seen FB every time he has come to Chicago (save for two shows) and NEVER has there been a similar charge in the atmospere. NEVER. Those who have seen the Pixies really know what I am (badly) trying to convey.
Regardless, I really hope he gets back to the Metro. Much better venue (sound and crowd). See the uber-drunks in that area get ensnared by Smart Bar....they never make it to the concert area in any real numbers. Clever design :)
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