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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
 Posted - 03/12/2003 : 17:29:31
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This is something I find myself thinking a lot. Does anyone ever think what Pixies albums would sound like with other's production? It just seems that each Pixies album has totally different production. So would Bossanova be better if it sounded like Surfer Rosa, would Come on Pilgrim be better if it sounded like Trompe Le Monde? I wish I could hear what a Pixies song would sound like if it was recorded by all 5 productions.
So basically, this is my lame poll. What song best fits the production of each album, and which song would benefit most from a different album's production? (I'm putting off studying for a midterm, cut me some slack)
COP: Caribou...(Vamos with SR production..but that's kind of cheating)
SR: Bone Machine...(I'm Amazed with Bossanova production, it'd get more fleshed out)
DL: No. 13, Baby...(can't think of any, maybe Hey with Trompe Le Monde production)
BN: Is She Weird...(Down to the Well w/ DL production)
TL: Motorway to Roswell...(Planet of Sound/Subbacultcha with SR production) |
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pong
= Cult of Ray =
France
315 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2003 : 02:41:57
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i'm ok whith that.
for me, the worst production is bossanova. i don't like very much the sound of this album.
- Pong
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2003 : 10:20:04
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I'd love to hear a Steve Albini remix of "Planet Of Sound" and "Subbacultcha"
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2003 : 11:02:11
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| I cant say Im to in the know about such things but I know I have an unspoken hatred for the way Bossanova sounds. The damn thing glistens and makes Is She Weird? on the BBC look like the greatest song ever compared to the crap thats on Bossanova. |
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
287 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2003 : 12:36:50
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Bossanova is still my favorite Pixies album. I can get through the production just to hear the brilliance of the song writing.
I got me so down I got me a headache. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2003 : 17:34:22
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| I think all the albums would kick ass if they sounded like At The BBC or Surfer Rosa. I hate the production of Doolittle and Bossanova. |
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MikeW
- FB Fan -
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2003 : 19:47:33
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hmm? it would be lots of drums and no guitars, imagine that. Albini sucks ass!
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Originally posted by Steak n Sabre
I'd love to hear a Steve Albini remix of "Planet Of Sound" and "Subbacultcha"
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MikeW
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USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2003 : 19:50:22
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| The best sounding songs are the re-mix of River Euphrates/Gigantic, Winterlong also sounds excellent. But thats my opinion. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2003 : 23:31:19
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| Yeah, the B-sides version of River Eurphrates rulessssss! |
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MikeW
- FB Fan -
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 10:13:07
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Yeah, if Surfer Rosa would have sounded like that, it would have RULED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Doog
Yeah, the B-sides version of River Eurphrates rulessssss!
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 10:29:48
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Definately.
Albini has his place, but you begin to think certain tracks would have sounded even more explosive with the "rAwk!" fader turned up a little higher.. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 15:14:41
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Albini's the man, but his approach doesn't work for everything Pixies. The same can be said of Gil Norton.
In my opinion, the Gigantic re-recording is an improvement on the original. The song is quintessential power pop and deserves the glossy treatment. The River Euphrates redo is merely interesting, mostly for the arrangement tweaks. The rhythm guitar was fine at a lower volume. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2003 : 15:59:57
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Again, agreed- the 2nd Gigantic is a superpop radiofriendly rocksmashspectacularrrr... I wish I could find my 'Death To..' cd..
Didn't Gil do Doolittle? Thats THE sound, when I think of the Pixies. Tight, but not too polished, ambient but not muddy. |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2003 : 01:32:42
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Where can I find the 2nd Gigantic?
I have it on Surfer Rosa and Death to, its the same version on both of those though... |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2003 : 04:01:29
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| You sure? They're totally different versions on the COP/SR and Death To records... listen to em back to back.. |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2003 : 05:51:52
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| Just had a listen...you're right, the difference appears to be pretty negligable though. Its not like the difference between the two Vamoses, or the River Euphrateses. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2003 : 06:43:50
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| Y'think? It was pretty damn obvious to me.. |
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mrgrieves
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 03/16/2003 : 16:55:22
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i think doolittle's production is the best ever in terms of sound.
it is powerful and very well worked.
surfer rosa and come on pilgrim got a first rough production. albini's signature has made of their debut LP a very new and interesting sound/produtcion.
i think some people should realise the pixies's success comes partly from albini's work. for me, his work on come on pilgrim was the key to the instant success of the pixies. another production, less inovative should have made the pixies a band like other ones.
but they are THE pixies, i mean all things put back in their context, in 1987, imagine (or remember) the first listening to songs like levitate me or something agasint you for people used to listen overproduced things (ie common sound, without any personality)
all this is only my opinion but i think albini deserves his reputation (even if he's really expensive  )
for bossanova, clearly not their best LP, i would say that it's underrated (rock music and velouria are really very representative of the pixies)
trompe le monde is even more underrated but this time i'm not objectve since i love this LP
anyway doolittle is my favorite |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2003 : 19:33:01
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| I think you bring up a very interesting point. Those albums *were* released in a time where a lot of music was very overproduced, very synthy, very all-around cheesy. Here comes these albums by the Pixies which are *very* raw and rock *very hard*, and it just blew up. Perhaps if they would have had a cleaner (more along the lines of Doolittle) production, it might have made less of an impact. But then again, I guess a lot of the indie rock/early alternative was pretty raw. |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2003 : 19:51:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Doog
Y'think? It was pretty damn obvious to me..
I've been listening to both albums for about three years and never picked up the difference, though have instantly on every other multiple version Pixies songs. Weird. |
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Golly
- FB Fan -
Sweden
51 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2003 : 13:30:03
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| bossanova production isn't bad ...just different. I mean listen to the drums on dig for fire ...you gotta love that late 80's early 90's snare...du PHAH! du PHAH!. I love that song. Allthough i'd love to see a complete re-recording of bossanova, it's the only album that i would be intrested in hearing remastered or whatever you call it. |
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samuel
- FB Fan -
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2003 : 14:06:47
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now this is an interesting topic...
i think they're fine the way they are.
but its fun to fantasize...
why not wonder how it would be if kim was never a slice of the pixie pizza, maybe they would still be in the oven?
boring, eh?
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samuel
- FB Fan -
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2003 : 14:09:23
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by the way, malax needs some malox
are you serious? whats wrong with bossanova,
break it down for me cuz you got me confused here
listen to that album on shrooms then let me know what you think...
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2003 : 16:30:15
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| Ah, Mrgrieves, but Steve Albini didn't produce Come on Pilgrim, Gary Smith did. Come on Pilgrim was basically just the sound of the Pixies recording in a room, it was a demo afterall. So you can't pin the Pixies innovative early sound on that cocky bastard Albini. |
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mrgrieves
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Posted - 03/18/2003 : 02:32:01
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yeah I know it's gary but surfer rosa and come on pilgrim just make one album for me.
by the way, steve albini does not deserve being called a "cocky bastard". and their sound on come on pilgrim and surfer rosa was really inovative i maintain whatever you may think. most of their peers say it and so do their fans.
if your consider yourself as a fan , you should'nt be so extreme and if do not you should have at least some respect for albini's work (and not only with the pixies) |
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mrgrieves
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Posted - 03/18/2003 : 02:32:43
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yeah I know it's gary but surfer rosa and come on pilgrim just make one album for me.
by the way, steve albini does not deserve being called a "cocky bastard". and their sound on come on pilgrim and surfer rosa was really inovative i maintain whatever you may think. most of their peers say it and so do their fans.
if your consider yourself as a fan , you should'nt be so extreme and if do not you should have at least some respect for albini's work (and not only with the pixies) |
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mrgrieves
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Posted - 03/18/2003 : 02:51:40
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| the question is not if i'm able to write songs as good as frank's, the point is that THIS IS A FORUM WHERE EVERYBODY CAN GIVE HIS OPINION and your stupid insulting answers won't change anything samuel |
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mrgrieves
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Posted - 03/18/2003 : 02:55:16
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| it seems there has been a bug on my posts. the last answer about the worst song had to be in the other topic |
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MikeW
- FB Fan -
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 09:03:59
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| Bossanova is the Pet Sounds of the Pixies. According to my source it was written in the studio for the most part. There is a story I heard that Black Francis would show up to the studio 3 hours before anyone and have Master Control's studio manager put up the tape and Francis would jam lyrics to these progressions that they had laid down already. About the drums, I heard they sound like that, for the most part due to the actual tracking room...very live. But what do I know, these are just stories that I heard. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 09:28:19
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Steve Albini does deserve to be called a cocky bastard. He did infamously refer to Surfer Rosa as "bland college rock", to paraphrase. I know he's a talented guy, but that doesn't keep him from being a cocky bastard. He's also a sellout now, When he did In Utero he was all against producing a mainstream band, and he called Nirvana just REM with a fuzzbox (kind of funny actually) but yet now he's producing bands like Bush, so blaaah to Steve Albini, he's no longer cool.
And yes, I realize he might just be eliciting a reaction by saying that about that Pixies, but that's what makes him a cocky bastard and not a cocky shithead. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 09:31:18
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| Also, I find the production to Surfer Rosa and Come on Pilgrim to be very different sounding. Come on Pilgrim has a warm earthy sound while Surfer Rosa has a raw black and white sound. I think the main reason they can sound similiar is that they were recorded 6 months apart from each other, and the band was essentially the same. Also, for some people, having them dished out on one CD can also make them run together more. |
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