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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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 Posted - 02/13/2003 : 14:33:35
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4ad is going to release all the pixies albums again
remastered!
Don't know what that will mean...
cleaner sound? I like it how it sounds now...
bonus tracks seem to be not the case , because there's that b-sides album.
any guesses?
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2003 : 15:50:43
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| Weren't they just re-released last year? |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/13/2003 : 15:56:05
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| I think so but they weren't re-mastered. God damn it, if this is true I'll HAVE to buy them. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2003 : 15:59:36
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| Why would you want to remaster Surfer Rosa? It's beautiful the way it is! The rest of the albums, however, could use an overhaul. |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2003 : 03:34:50
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all the albums revert back to 4ad in the US this year, and the remasters just make some things sound a lot clearer - also Surfer Rosa and Come On Pilgrim will be seperate, as they always have been in the US.
I'm not sure what stage its at, but I would imagine it'll all come out again around the same time as the DVD (ie later in the year) as soon as I've got any more news, I'll post it
I've got a CDR of a remastered Doolittle, and there are little bits you really notice, but its the most noticeable on Surfer Rosa and Come on Pilgrim... |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/14/2003 : 03:58:59
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Originally posted by jo
all the albums revert back to 4ad in the US this year, and the remasters just make some things sound a lot clearer - also Surfer Rosa and Come On Pilgrim will be seperate, as they always have been in the US.
I'm not sure what stage its at, but I would imagine it'll all come out again around the same time as the DVD (ie later in the year) as soon as I've got any more news, I'll post it
I've got a CDR of a remastered Doolittle, and there are little bits you really notice, but its the most noticeable on Surfer Rosa and Come on Pilgrim...
Tantalising Jo! Can you give any examples of the differences? |
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faskner
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 02/14/2003 : 05:02:38
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| these remasters could come in a special package, like mini-vinyls. that would be really great. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2003 : 07:52:16
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| It would be good for Surfer Rosa and Doolittle, because those CDs always seems quieter (especially SR) than other CDs. I have a theory that remastering just means making the CD level a little higher. Each year CDs seem to get a little louder, so the old ones need to be "remastered" to catch up. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2003 : 14:08:18
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Originally posted by Itchload
It would be good for Surfer Rosa and Doolittle, because those CDs always seems quieter (especially SR) than other CDs. I have a theory that remastering just means making the CD level a little higher. Each year CDs seem to get a little louder, so the old ones need to be "remastered" to catch up.
More than likely, the remastering job will consist of using recent technology to digitally "clean-up" the original 2-track masters (or submasters if those are lost or damaged).
While the volume level may be raised, I imagine there will be some amount of hiss reduction and expansion/compression used on the albums, especially the Albini sessions, which will no doubt piss him off in the extreme.
Those early recordings were intentionally ambient and airy and are not nearly as "punchy" and bright as most modern records, but that's a tech-head way of saying they sound real and refreshing compared to the overly compressed "commercial alternative" crap that was unintentionally spawned in part by the production value of Doolittle and Bossanova.
Levels will be evened-out between tracks, and I would also imagine that some of the muddiness which plagued Trompe Le Monde will be tweaked to give a truer portrait of what it sounded like in the control room at the time of mixing. I've always felt that particular record was overly processed, which can often lead to dense and sludgy discs and tapes if not properly transferred to the consumer medium.
It's true that everyone seems to be pushing the volume envelope on CDs these days. For a humorous perspective on that, check out the liner notes to Iggy Pop's personally-approved remixed and remastered update of the Raw Power album on Sony/Legacy.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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MikeW
- FB Fan -
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2003 : 15:38:37
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Speaking of BSides. I was kinda pissed that I Cant Forget and Born In Chicago didnt make the BSides record. I guess those were C sides?
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
4ad is going to release all the pixies albums again
remastered!
Don't know what that will mean...
cleaner sound? I like it how it sounds now...
bonus tracks seem to be not the case , because there's that b-sides album.
any guesses?
''it's not a box, it's a submarine''
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 02/16/2003 : 18:44:21
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Hey Jo - any chance these will be released on Super Audio CD as well?? Now would be a very good time to at least prep them for it if you're remastering them anyway.....!
After hearing SACD, i'm not planning on wasting my $$ on another 16bit CD... |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2003 : 22:17:50
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Thank God. I always thought my cassette of Doolittle sounded better than the CD. Especially the bass. I think this was due to the CD being mastered back in the days when they didn't have the whole "digital bass" thing quite worked out. Low frequencies suffer the most when sample and bit rates are lower. Most of their albums are over compressed as well. Bossanova could definitely use some fixing.
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2003 : 05:32:56
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I only had a quick scan through these messages, but they'll only be on standard cd. There's no plans for anything fancy yet!
I've heard some of the remasters now and you can tell the difference, its the sound levels, they don't distort when you crank it up loud! which is how the Pixies should be played :)
there wont be vinyl reissues, as we still have vinyl problems over here (long standing problems in that someone else has the parts, its all very boring but has meant we've not been able to get any more manufactured for a while) - which hopefully will be sorted out, but they'll be the same versions as originally released.
the B-sides album was only UK b-sides, bar 'Letter To Memphis' instrumental which was on the Alec Eiffel single. All the tracks were chosen by Frank Black.... |
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2003 : 09:21:56
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quote:
Originally posted by jo
all the albums revert back to 4ad in the US this year, and the remasters just make some things sound a lot clearer - also Surfer Rosa and Come On Pilgrim will be seperate, as they always have been in the US.
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/17/2003 : 10:03:47
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Originally posted by jo
its the sound levels, they don't distort when you crank it up loud! which is how the Pixies should be played :)
Uuuuh... isn't that just down to what you play it on? |
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MikeW
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 02/17/2003 : 10:45:02
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Bossanova was recorded straight to a sony digital tape machine. I wonder if the originals still have anything on em, since digital tape is non-archivable like analog?
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Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
Thank God. I always thought my cassette of Doolittle sounded better than the CD. Especially the bass. I think this was due to the CD being mastered back in the days when they didn't have the whole "digital bass" thing quite worked out. Low frequencies suffer the most when sample and bit rates are lower. Most of their albums are over compressed as well. Bossanova could definitely use some fixing.
www.mp3.com/clootie
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2003 : 04:19:00
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Originally posted by Doog
Uuuuh... isn't that just down to what you play it on?
to a point, yeah. Me being me, I don't have a super hi-tech system, just a bog-standard cd-amp-turntable, and it sounds better and clearer than its done before.
that was my point really.
which could be cause I've had a crappy stereo for a long time, I guess. But I can tell the difference.... some Pixies stuff is recorded too quietly for me. |
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Mr Grieves
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Posted - 02/20/2003 : 04:38:31
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I always have to tuen my Pixies albums up a fair bit to get them at the right volume. Being a poor student though, I probably won't be able to afford the remasters. Might make an exception for Come On Pilgrim though.
They got a ranch they call No. 51! |
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2003 : 10:30:51
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| it might not be happening after all.... stay tuned :) |
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lofiscifi
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lofiscifi
- FB Fan -
USA
53 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2003 : 15:19:51
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ack! sorry...
tuesday, 20 MAY!
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 02:52:10
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| but they wont be remastered- although the artwork is sourced from the originals |
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Arachuig
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Posted - 03/27/2003 : 10:36:29
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| I don't understand the point of them being "rereleased." Since they aren't being remastered or anything, what good will come of this? I mean, it's not like you can't walk into a music store today and find Pixies albums. So, someone please explain the point to this "rerelease" business. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 16:06:03
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jo
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
516 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2003 : 02:11:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Arachuig
I don't understand the point of them being "rereleased." Since they aren't being remastered or anything, what good will come of this? I mean, it's not like you can't walk into a music store today and find Pixies albums. So, someone please explain the point to this "rerelease" business.
because on or around May time this year, Elektra wont have the rights to sell any Pixies albums - it all reverts back to 4ad. So for the first time in the US, the Pixies albums will be 4ad ones, with 4ad catalogue numbers. The only problem with that is that Surfer Rosa and Come on Pilgrim will be kept seperate (as they were in the US with Elektra) which has meant Surfer Rosa will now have the new catalogue number GAD 8030CD. (its really long and complicated and boring to explain why its like this)
the only good that comes of it is that its a 4ad release. Rather than Elektra. All the artwork is being re-sourced from the original images as well.
Its not a money-making scheme, its just this happens to all albums we've got which are licensed out to other labels in other territories. Recently Robin Guthrie has remastered the first four Cocteau Twins albums, which are also about to be reissued in the Us - they've got new artwork too, and are at midprice (the GAD prefix) for the first time.
Thats all really - there's nothing new for people to buy, its just getting the 4ad stock out there as the warners stock will run out at some point... it also means the US finally gets a release of the B-sides album, as 4ad now have the rights to release it in the USA. |
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