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Bedbug Posted - 10/25/2019 : 18:40:31
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pot Posted - 12/31/2019 : 12:31:16
Lots of accusations of electoral fraud going on as well, as there have been for a number of years. It's electoral fraud already before the election if there is the deliberate use of mass lying through the media, which there has been in abundance. Fuck the tories.
pot Posted - 12/31/2019 : 12:28:49
Fuck the haters. We need a leader and a government who cares about people and doing the right thing, not just filling their own pockets or being puppets for the NWO.

Shit just got real. The far-right are taking over the world, through media propaganda. Seems like most people are stupid and easily led these days and when billionaires own the media it's not hard to take over the world.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/hundreds-join-artists-from-brian-eno-to-nigel-kennedy-in-powerful-tribute-to-jeremy-corbyn/19/12/
pot Posted - 12/28/2019 : 06:48:12
There was a civil debate/discussion going on until you arrived with your derogatory remarks about my country. All this time and I never realised I was sharing a forum with such a bigoted arsehole.
trobrianders Posted - 12/28/2019 : 02:10:45
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Originally posted by pot

Get fucked asshole.

Those poor people you keep locked in a cupboard. You know, the ones you drag out when you don't have a reasonable argument to make? How much do you feed them? You know, to keep them just about alive? A good leftist knows just how to exploit the wretched.

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pot Posted - 12/28/2019 : 00:41:49
Get fucked asshole.
trobrianders Posted - 12/27/2019 : 15:12:31
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Originally posted by pot

While our newly elected PM is jetting off for two weeks to Mustique, Jeremy Corbyn will be spending Xmas day volunteering in a homeless shelter.

That's what self-hating Marxist misery-mongers do.

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pot Posted - 12/24/2019 : 05:32:32
While our newly elected PM is jetting off for two weeks to Mustique, Jeremy Corbyn will be spending Xmas day volunteering in a homeless shelter.
pot Posted - 12/22/2019 : 23:22:44
Get Brexit Done is the new Make America Great Again. Testament again to the fact simple minded slogans appeal to the brain dead masses. England is getting the government/dictatorship it deserves, and it's all great publicity for #indyref2020. Scotland will not allow itself to be dragged down by this bumbling idiot.

As for the Trump Impeachment thing, I guess it's probably republican inflitrators from within the democrats orchestrating the whole thing knowing it will fail to pass the house of reps with a 2/3 majority and ultimately gain public support for a second Trump term. They could always try and smear Bernie Sanders through the media constantly every day with claims of antisemitism, but then I doubt that would wash since he is already jewish himself. You never know though, plenty of Northern (English) working class traditional Labour voters appear to have been stupid enough to beleive the tabloids and the BBC, that a man who has spent his whole like fighting racism is an antisemite.. and that Brexit can "get done" in a matter of weeks.

Any general election in the UK (in my lifetime anyway) is pretty much determined by what side Rupert Murdoch's tabloid press takes. The Sun readers own democracy in the UK.

The UK is now ACTUALLY the 51st state of America, Israel's new bitch. We not only sell weapons to terrorist states, we now work directly for them (owing to the sale of a £4B defence company to US investors the other day).

Stupidity wins. The 1% get even richer. Any other model that leans towards a fairer system for all can never work because we need Billionaires to create jobs.

Time to rebuild Hadrian's Wall I think (to control the number of English migrants desperate to move to Scotland)

Bedbug Posted - 12/19/2019 : 16:56:31
I have elected not to start the ďCan Someone Explain Trumpís Impeachment To Me?Ē thread

Probably not a good idea
trobrianders Posted - 12/19/2019 : 13:06:36
A new explanation of Brexit for you; the total rejection of degenerate Marxism.

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pot Posted - 11/15/2019 : 13:22:57
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Originally posted by Bedbug

Iíve really enjoyed this thread.

Not sure I understand more than I did before, but I feel the feelings.



Boris and Nigel want to drag the UK out of the EU and sell everything off to Donald Trump, and their current plan is all going to shit and now they are at each others throat. Nigel is threatening to report Boris to the police for harassing his party to stop standing in the election (and take votes away from the tories) which is epically lulzy in itself.

That's about the long and the short of it.

Trollbrianders: go fuck yourself pal. If I went about noising up members the way you are to me in this thread then I'd probably get my account priveleges suspended. I'm done listening to your shit so just don't talk to me.
trobrianders Posted - 11/11/2019 : 16:25:20
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

Iíve really enjoyed this thread.

Not sure I understand more than I did before, but I feel the feelings.

You're doing well if you get that England and the UK aren't the same thing.

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Bedbug Posted - 11/11/2019 : 06:13:42
Iíve really enjoyed this thread.

Not sure I understand more than I did before, but I feel the feelings.
trobrianders Posted - 11/10/2019 : 01:58:06
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Originally posted by pot

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Originally posted by trobrianders

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Originally posted by pot

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Originally posted by trobrianders
Poor, sick and disabled? Have you got a checklist or something? Stop whining, get a job and be of use



What do you do for a living?


I get paid huge sums of public money to slash funding to poor, sick disabled people for the sole purpose of keeping you an unhappy adolescent well into middle age.

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Look at my post in the art section about my new wesbite. In there you will find (against my will) the address of where I live in the "United Kingdom" Webistes are all registered to addresses and you need to pay to hide this information.

Who are you? I remember years ago you had a wife who was coming from South America to Edinburgh and was asking for advice on where to go, right?

If you are going to talk down to me then I would like to know who you are.

How are your poor, sick disabled people today? Where do you keep them? In the cupboard? Under the bed?

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pot Posted - 11/09/2019 : 14:07:51
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Originally posted by trobrianders

quote:
Originally posted by pot

quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
Poor, sick and disabled? Have you got a checklist or something? Stop whining, get a job and be of use



What do you do for a living?


I get paid huge sums of public money to slash funding to poor, sick disabled people for the sole purpose of keeping you an unhappy adolescent well into middle age.

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Look at my post in the art section about my new wesbite. In there you will find (against my will) the address of where I live in the "United Kingdom" Webistes are all registered to addresses and you need to pay to hide this information.

Who are you? I remember years ago you had a wife who was coming from South America to Edinburgh and was asking for advice on where to go, right?

If you are going to talk down to me then I would like to know who you are.
trobrianders Posted - 11/09/2019 : 14:02:49
quote:
Originally posted by pot

quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
Poor, sick and disabled? Have you got a checklist or something? Stop whining, get a job and be of use



What do you do for a living?


I get paid huge sums of public money to slash funding to poor, sick disabled people for the sole purpose of keeping you an unhappy adolescent well into middle age.

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pot Posted - 11/09/2019 : 13:32:37
quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
Poor, sick and disabled? Have you got a checklist or something? Stop whining, get a job and be of use



What do you do for a living?




trobrianders Posted - 11/09/2019 : 13:04:05
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Originally posted by pot

Glad you all find the devastation this tory government has brought to poor, sick and disabled people's lives over the past ten years, Grenfell, Windrush, the dismantling of our vital services, food banks, drug addiction spiraling out of control, homelessness rising as a result of Universal Credit payments being delayed, people with no arms or legs or people who've got 6 weeks left to live being told they can't get any help from the state and are fit for work, homeless people being attacked by gangs, people taking their own lives because they can't feed themselves, mothers of children with life threatening epilepsy having to travel to Europe and remortgage their houses to saves their kids lives so FUCKING HILARIOUS! I wont bother engaging a civil debate about politics on here again.

Poor, sick and disabled? Have you got a checklist or something? Stop whining, get a job and be of use.

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Discoking Posted - 11/08/2019 : 18:58:37
yes, that's what we all find, obviously.



it's educational
pot Posted - 11/08/2019 : 10:42:51
Glad you all find the devastation this tory government has brought to poor, sick and disabled people's lives over the past ten years, Grenfell, Windrush, the dismantling of our vital services, food banks, drug addiction spiraling out of control, homelessness rising as a result of Universal Credit payments being delayed, people with no arms or legs or people who've got 6 weeks left to live being told they can't get any help from the state and are fit for work, homeless people being attacked by gangs, people taking their own lives because they can't feed themselves, mothers of children with life threatening epilepsy having to travel to Europe and remortgage their houses to saves their kids lives so FUCKING HILARIOUS! I wont bother engaging a civil debate about politics on here again.
Discoking Posted - 11/08/2019 : 09:30:50
lololololo!


it's educational
trobrianders Posted - 11/08/2019 : 05:14:20
Victim much? One of Krankie's victims?

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pot Posted - 11/08/2019 : 01:01:03
Ah. Now I know what your name means: Trollbrianders

If the tone of the debate continues to descend into the gutter, then I'm afraid Bedbug you'll have to get the low down on Brexit and the General Election from elsewhere. Sorry, but I don't need to read this sort of bile, or listen to tired cliches that appear to be presented in some sort of an effort to get a rise out of me.
trobrianders Posted - 11/08/2019 : 00:54:57
What are you going to do when Scots vote a second time to remain in the UK?

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pot Posted - 11/08/2019 : 00:36:24
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Originally posted by trobrianders

Any referendum you don't win is illegitimate? There's a word for people like that; Anti-democrat. Fascist is a better word.

Scotland won't vote to leave the UK. Scots don't have that kind of confidence. They're dependent on free stuff from England. Scots are angry but not at England. They're angry at themselves for being so weak. Scots would fight to stop England leaving the UK.




Keep your sorry arse gammon insults to yourself.
trobrianders Posted - 11/08/2019 : 00:28:19
Any referendum you don't win is illegitimate? There's a word for people like that; Anti-democrat. Fascist is a better word.

Scotland won't vote to leave the UK. Scots don't have that kind of confidence. They're dependent on free stuff from England. Scots are angry but not at England. They're angry at themselves for being so weak. Scots would fight to stop England leaving the UK.

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pot Posted - 11/07/2019 : 12:26:38
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Originally posted by trobrianders

No, I mean England will never quit the UK.

Scotland's will was to remain in the UK and abide by UK decisions, including referendum decisions. Scots that say otherwise aren't Scots, they're the lackeys of international capital.

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England wants to quit the UK as well.

Who are you anyway? Some guy from an island in the Pacific. Are you a British ex-pat?

Referenda run on lies and possible electoral fraud don't count for shit. Westminster is rotten to the core and the entire world can see that now. When Scotland demands our freedom we will have the world on our side if the bastards decide to go all Spain vs Catalonia on our asses.

This shit cannot continue and Scotland is not going to stand for it.

England IS the UK. 533 English constituency MPs vs 40 Welsh, 18 NI and 59 Scottish? Let them try and tell us we can't go our own way next year.

And we need their permission to leave? F**k Westminster!
trobrianders Posted - 11/07/2019 : 12:14:05
No, I mean England will never quit the UK.

Scotland's will was to remain in the UK and abide by UK decisions, including referendum decisions. Scots that say otherwise aren't Scots, they're the lackeys of international capital.

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pot Posted - 11/07/2019 : 08:11:09
quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
Aye, that'd be braw. Never gonnae happen.



Say's who, the loony yoon brigade?

"It'll never happen" has oft been said..

If the government insists on dragging Scotland out of the EU against the will of the voters, and refuse to grant a Section 30 order then the Scottish Government will hold a referendum anyway, next year and if the result comes back leave we will have a mandate to leave the union and we will leave. We already have a mandate.
trobrianders Posted - 11/07/2019 : 03:26:57
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Originally posted by pot

quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders

The UK should never have left the EU. England should have left the UK
1. England automatically expelled from EU
2. EU left holding stinky bag of Ireland, Scotland,Wales and NI.

The whole Brexit process was always really about the drawn out realisation that England needs to be free of the UK not only the EU.

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And presumably (in this fantasy reality of yours) the nu-UK parliament would be re-assembled at stinky Holyrood, in stinky Edinburgh?

Aye, that'd be braw. Never gonnae happen.

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pot Posted - 11/07/2019 : 00:22:06
quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders

The UK should never have left the EU. England should have left the UK
1. England automatically expelled from EU
2. EU left holding stinky bag of Ireland, Scotland,Wales and NI.

The whole Brexit process was always really about the drawn out realisation that England needs to be free of the UK not only the EU.

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Ed is the hoo hoo



And presumably (in this fantasy reality of yours) the nu-UK parliament would be re-assembled at stinky Holyrood, in stinky Edinburgh?
trobrianders Posted - 11/06/2019 : 15:35:11
The UK should never have left the EU. England should have left the UK
1. England automatically expelled from EU
2. EU left holding stinky bag of Ireland, Scotland,Wales and NI.

The whole Brexit process was always really about the drawn out realisation that England needs to be free of the UK not only the EU.

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pot Posted - 11/06/2019 : 03:27:58
The way a Vote of No Confidence works is the party with the 2nd highest number of seats gets first shot at forming a coalition government. A VONC would therefore automatically default to Jeremy Corbyn in the first instance. If no agreement can be reached then it triggers a general election.

Of course, in order to ensure a VONC goes through the opposition parties will negotiate beforehand, and the sticking point last time was Jo Swinson. Corbyn didn't demand anything, or needed to demand anything. This is how the system works.

It's not very fair if there was a VONC and it defaulted to whoever Jo Swinson thought was the best person for caretake PM. She wanted Ken Clarke, a self-confessed alcoholic who (when he was Chairman of the Cambridge University Conservative Association) invited former British Fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley to speak for two years in succession, prompting some Jewish students to resign in protest. Ken Clarke was also part of the government that was being voted out of confidence. It's like having a general election and there's a hung parliament and Jo Swinson saying she didn't want the leader of the party with the most votes to have first shot at forming a coalition. She was happy to join David Cameron's cabinet in 2010 though. See season 5 of Peaky Blinders for more on Oswald Mosely, who is portayed as a character in it.

Jo Swinson complains that Corbyn is divisive, presumably refering in some part to his alleged failure to deal with so called anti-semitism allegations within his own party, but she's happy to go with Ken Clarke.

And one Corbyn's biggest critics from within his own party, Margaret Hodge? (who is recorded calling him a "f**king antisemite") oversaw the destruction of a old Jewish cemetary while she the Councillor for the London Borough of Islington. Jewish cemetaries are considered sacred and the local Jesish community were up in arms about it being bought and redeveloped. While she sat on her arse and did nothing though, who was out campaigning to save this Jewish cemetary? Jeremy Corbyn. That's how much of a "f**king antisemite" he is! All the man has done is try to bring his party together, and do what's right for everyone, in the face of smears from all sides including his own deputy leader (who he blocked the Labour party members from having him deselected).

As for leaving the EU, I actually voted for Brexit on the basis that I didn't want to be under the rule of the EU Commission. Like many people I didn't fully understand the consequences and complexities of the whole situation. So I guess "leaving the EU" meant and means different things to different people. If we leave the customs union and single market we will still have to spend years negotiating trade deals and tarifs. I fail to see how we will be in a better position to negotiate outside of these unions though?

I honestly don't fully understand how it all works. I don't actually think anyone in the entire world does.

As for Boris, I heard a rumour he is considering relocating to stand in his home constituency or something (not sure)?

I hope that toffee-nosed pencil case Jacob Rees-Mogg gets the boot anyway. He's my number one hopeful for getting voted out. He really is a odious little man, and his comments yesterday about Grenfell have not gone down well with the country (he suggested the residents should have had the common sense to ignore the advice from the fire brigade and try to get, by walking down hundreds of flights of stairs into fire and smoke!). The guy is a f**king MORON! He's dumber than Donald Trump. And he'a a stuck up, racist tory b... Hopefully this will turn the voters against him, he's in a safe seat though.
Discoking Posted - 11/06/2019 : 02:27:28
fingers crossed for boris losing his seat. 5% sounds achievable.

would there be much point to a brexit where the UK stays in the customs union and single market? how different is that from staying in the EU altogether?
the UK would have to follow all the EU trade rules, but won't have a say in them anymore (as they would no longer be represented in the EU parliament) ...
but i guess that's also going to be situation in any other brexit scenario, after new trade deals with the EU have been made: EU is going to stick to their rules. they won't change them for a deal with the UK. UK will have to follow. right?

and why did corbyn insist on becoming the PM after that vote of no confidence? couldn't they have found a candidate everyone was happy with?
you can blame that lib dem woman, but doesn't it entirely depend on how you look at it? might as well blame corbyn for demanding to become the PM (career over case), if you follow my (not very well informed, i have to admit) point of view.


it's educational
pot Posted - 11/05/2019 : 01:27:21
The electoral system is usually rigged in some way in favour of the tories. They are well known for changing constituency boundaries to redistribute votes in their favour.

I'll be voting SNP, same as in 2017. I spoiled my ballot paper in 2015, but now I am so fed up with the way things are and these rotten tory b*****ds that I will vote for whoever is best placed to get rid of them. I quite like the SNP, but I'm not 100% happy with them. I have some gripes (mainly their drug policy which reflects the standard "treat drugs as a health issue" trope and panders to the misonception that medical cannabis is good/recreational is bad, but we'll tolerate it) but overall the SNP are one of the most progressive parties in the whole of the UK at the moment. Even the EU tends to agree with that.

I used to be a Labour voter (until I voted Tony Blair in in 1997 and he instantly turned out to be a George W Bush ass licking, warmonger) but more recently Jeremy Corbyn has restored the party to it's original (some may say Marxist) socialist values, and not everyone in the party (particularly the red tory Blairites) are happy with him, hence the media onslaught of antisemitism and being an IRA terrorist symapthiser. Neither of these allegations have any basis in reality but the right wing factions have used them consistently over the past 3 years to smear him.

So, basically I'm in Scotland right on the Border to England. And I actually am right on the border, I have to walk to England for all my shopping (which is handy for things like beer since the SNP instroduced their nanny state MUP (Minimum Alcohol Price) law a few years ago. My constituency was one of the 12 SNP constituencies won back by the tories in 2017. Previously, in 2015 the SNP took nearly all the 59 seats in Scotland (bar one tory and one Lib Dem I think) and so more or less all these seats are marginal tory versus SNP seats which means a lot of people will be either voting for the SNP or (hopefuly at least) voting SNP tactically to oust the tories. Right now the SNP are polling high and look set to sweep most or all of the seats in Scotland again, like in 2015.

Scotland has always traditionally been a Labour voting country, however since the #indyref in 2014 most of the left wing Labour voters have switched across to the SNP leaving the political landscape in Scotland pretty much dominated by SNP versus the unionist tory vote. Labour have pissed off a lot of people in Scotland through their unionist policy and recent denial to allow us to have a 2nd #indyref2 in light of the change in the political landscape since 2014 (when we were promised that we would stay in the EU). The Labour party was also formed in Scotland at the start of the 20th century by a Scotsman called Keir Hardie.

So overall what we are looking at is... quite complex. The tories and Labour are split by the Brexit result, which is why we have seen some tory MPs resigning and defecting to the Lib Dems (who are pledging to revoke Article 50 if elected, which is unlikely). The Lib Dems are often called the Yellow Tories and I presonally think their hidden agenda is to split the left wing/remain vote and enable another tory government. However, The Brexit Party are going to stand 600 candidates against the tories and they have offered a pact with them but the tories rejected this so hopefully (fingers crossed) they willl split the right wing/tory brexit vote enough to give Labour enough seats to either win (unlikely) or be the largest party in another hung parliament.

Nobody really knows what's going to happen. Everyone (most people) thought the tories would win in 2017 since they were polling the highest. I, however predicted a hung parliament then and I was right. I'm predicting another hung parliament in this one (which most people are) and so the result I'm personally holding out for (please god) is that Labour take a slight majority of seats in a hung parliament and can then form a coalition government with the SNP (and maybe the Greens?) if only just to see those smug tory b****ds faces from the opposition benches as they look across at Jeremy Corbyn as PM and Ian Blackford as deputy PM.

That would be good for both Scotland and the UK (especially the disadvantaged who have been hit so hard by the tory's ruthless austerity policy during the last decade) and I'm sure the SNP would make the granting of a Section 30 order to hold a 2nd #indyref2 in 2020 a red line. But how Scotland would then vote in light of a new government is unclear. The political landscape in Scotland has consistently meant that we are never really truly represented in UK parliament so we really need to be fully autonomous politically. I would like to hope also that a new Labour/SNP government would have the good sense to completely reform/overhaul the parliamentary system in the UK in favour of proportional representation (and get rid of the House of Lords!).

There is also a campaign to oust Boris Johnson by a new Labour candidate (they only need a 5% swing to do so) and this would be the first time in history that a sitting PM will have lost his seat in an election, so fingers crossed for that too.

And the SNP are going to do their best to oust Jo Swinson (the new leader of the Lib Dems) who refused to enter a pact with Labour and the SNP a few weeks ago to oust the tories through a Vote of No Confidence and form a temporary caretaker government with Jeremy Corbyn as PM (because she thought he was too divisive). Jo Swinson, who was part of the tory/Lib Dem coalition 2010-2015 who voted with the tories for a number of policies that has brought nothing buy hardship and suffering to the poor and disabled and driven many people to suicide/death from starvation. Stupid b***t playing student politics. If we end up with another tory government for 5 years and a hard Brexit then it'll be her fault!

As much as I have my difference with Corbyn he is a good, honest, decent politician who would do his best for people who have been hit hardest by tory austerity, and save the NHS etc. Some think he is too old and frail but he has worked tirelessly, travelling up and down the country (by train) holding conferences and apparently (at the ripe old age of 70) he jogs.

EDIT: Seems like Labour are now looking to adopt what was the SNP's policy to compromise on Brexit right from the start: remain in the Customs Union and Single Market! I'd be happy with that as it would mean I'd retain the freedom to live and work in Europe as long as I wanted. But the ERG wont like it...

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