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1965 Posted - 01/30/2011 : 10:08:59
From Facebook, Jan 2011:

"We are working on catholics set now, which will include remastering albums from the old 1/4" tapes. the set will include all the b-sides and cool outtakes we can dig up and hope to release it on vinyl as well later this year."

Sounds promising...

I have the key to #902
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Stevio10 Posted - 11/23/2018 : 20:25:25
Awesome, thanks for that!
vilainde Posted - 11/21/2018 : 21:35:55
(which is the best song on the disc BTW!)

vilainde Posted - 11/21/2018 : 21:26:17
Originally posted by Stevio10
But does anyone know what he actually played on with the Catholics? I'm guessing the Red Letter Days bonus album demos but if anyone knows for definite please share.

Use Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/artist/427226-Tommy-Stinson?filter_anv=0&type=Credits

He plays the bass on the Farewell Bend demo

The Maharal Posted - 11/21/2018 : 12:04:34
I think Stinson produced The King and Queen for Frank & The Suicide Commandos as well
Stevio10 Posted - 11/20/2018 : 23:42:30
Dog in the Sand live, that would be great. How is the full band Jumping Beans?

I was looking through the credits on AllMusic for the Catholics box set the other day and noticed an unfamiliar yet kind of legendary name - Tommy Stimson on bass.

Heard he played with the Catholics once or twice during the final days between Catholics and Pixies and he is friends with Dave Phillips. Also read Charles let him use his studio during the 03 or 04 tour for his Gorrilla Head album.

But does anyone know what he actually played on with the Catholics? I'm guessing the Red Letter Days bonus album demos but if anyone knows for definite please share.

vilainde Posted - 11/12/2018 : 06:03:50
I realized today that I actually never listened to the extra mp3 tracks from pledgemusic.com. I don't even remember how you got them, I just found the files on my computer... Did you get them only when preordering the box set? Anyway there's a stunning live version of Dog In The Sand, I wonder what show it's from. Oh and full band version of Jumping Beans!

pixie punk Posted - 02/25/2016 : 05:49:10
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2016/02/miracle_legion_1.html Two Catholics on Tour.

pixie punk Posted - 02/15/2016 : 03:49:26
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBmldX4EUGS/ A Catholic and Gary Oldman.David Bowie Tribute at The Roxy L.A.

trobrianders Posted - 02/15/2016 : 03:38:26
The Farewell Bend is lovely. I can't find the True Blue version of Western Star. Is it good? I'm missing a version of 21 Reasons.

Ed is the hoo hoo
vilainde Posted - 02/13/2016 : 01:02:44
The Farewell Bend is the best of the batch IMO. Fantastic version.

trobrianders Posted - 02/12/2016 : 04:46:22
I've heard some of them on youtube now. They're all of a piece. Very listenable. The vocals sound relaxed. Guess I'll grab them off iTunes or another vendor (as opposed to going whole hog on the boxset).

Ed is the hoo hoo
McDutchie Posted - 02/11/2016 : 15:19:13
I got the True Blue songs off iTunes. Apart from the sound quality (mono!), they're great. I especially love "California Bound" with a hard-rocking ending and "The Farewell Bend" with a brilliant slide guitarist.
trobrianders Posted - 02/11/2016 : 13:04:27
Originally posted by hammerhands

Originally posted by trobrianders

Has anyone heard True Blue yet?
The Complete Recordings - Box Set. Bonus Disk Seven – “True Blue” – alternate versions of songs from Black Letter Days

Ed is the hoo hoo

When I put the disc in my computer, the title said Red Letter Days.

Doesn't surprise me. Is it good? I never bought the boxset.

Ed is the hoo hoo
hammerhands Posted - 02/11/2016 : 12:58:30
Originally posted by trobrianders

Has anyone heard True Blue yet?
The Complete Recordings - Box Set. Bonus Disk Seven – “True Blue” – alternate versions of songs from Black Letter Days

Ed is the hoo hoo

When I put the disc in my computer, the title said Red Letter Days.
trobrianders Posted - 02/11/2016 : 12:43:36
Has anyone heard True Blue yet?
The Complete Recordings - Box Set. Bonus Disk Seven – “True Blue” – alternate versions of songs from Black Letter Days

Ed is the hoo hoo
Stevio10 Posted - 02/02/2016 : 04:28:31
Following on from the Polaris shows last year it looks like Mr Ray Neal has joined up and Miracle Legion have reformed (with Scott, Dave and Mark Mulcahy). They are playing the Greenman festival in the UK this August.
Arm Arm Arm Posted - 07/19/2015 : 06:42:07
Nicely said.

I pretty much love most of what Frank's done, Pixies, Catholics, solo.

But I still remember the first time I saw the Catholics, they opened with Nimrod and the energy of a Pixies song and the Catholics delivery was amazing. I was in awe.

I lean more towards the "specific moment" as well. It's why it's taken me a while to get to Indy Cindy.

The energy of the Catholics, especially from Dog in the Sand, on stage was amazing. And good point about their body of work. There's a lot there to enjoy.

Jason Posted - 07/19/2015 : 05:17:45
The Catholics were so great on stage partly because they toured like crazy. They went everywhere. They went to parts of the country that most club-level rock bands skip. They played Maine. They played El Paso. And they did it more than once. They were a little cult band with great chemistry and they played both to people who were rabid fans of Frank's music and people who maybe weren't so familiar with it. That gave them some extra freedom to play around with the songs and play whatever they wanted. I saw a few Catholics shows where the band played maybe five (if that many) older songs and the rest of the set was all from the latest album (with several from the next one, not yet released).

(By contrast, the Pixies--though they are MONSTERS on stage, don't get me wrong--are more about giving the people what they want, earning that upscale ticket price.)

I love the Catholics. It's my favorite period for Frank's music. I loved getting to see them so many times in small clubs. I love how deep Frank got into classic rock, churning out those albums. I love so many of those songs.

But I'm with Frank in that it was a "specific moment in time". I'd certainly be interested in some new Catholics-related thing, but I'm not clamoring for it. When something ends, I'm more of a "celebrate what happened" person rather than a "mourn what didn't happen" person. Their body of work is still pretty heavy (for a band who only existed for five years), that last live album is a crusher and this box set is a perfect tombstone.

The Catholics, like any old band, are alive again whenever you play them.
Arm Arm Arm Posted - 07/18/2015 : 20:40:43

I don't think it's a case of wanting what you don't have. While that's a common thing to happen, in this case I just think a lot of people have a love for this band that broke up suddenly and without warning. There was something special about the Catholics, beyond the live to two-track and the great shows. Maybe it was just Frank writing songs that were a mix of his creativity, quirkiness and more traditional song stylings for a band of technically skilled musicians.

Six albums, each one pretty damn good. Unlike other bands, there's zero filler; just songs that may not fit my mood at a particular time or perhaps I just don't care for but can still recognize the quality.

As a live band they were great. I still think, to a certain extent, they peaked on stage in 01. Those were long shows, very intense and covered a wide range of both their albums, the Pixies and some interesting covers. While I still love the 03 tour, the song selection seemed a bit more limited and the shows were definitely shorter.

The Catholics, particularly on stage were an exciting melange of rock, bits of country and blues and punk. Frank's songwriting and their ability to add to the music is a potent combination.

It's also different from Pixies and his solo work. Being on the highway late at night on a long drive and hearing the riff to 1826 come on keeps you going.

There could also be an element of the underdog at play. The Pixies, while not the most famous band in the world, certainly had a triumphant reunion. The Catholics still have that unknown edge to them.

Maybe it's all of the above.

grandmacaesar Posted - 07/16/2015 : 14:14:38
So tasty! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzToAg5krSo
grandmacaesar Posted - 07/16/2015 : 09:14:12
I'm very happy with the song order. Isn't it cool how properly, All My Ghosts pops up first? I can even happily sing along with all the versions of Humboldt without skipping a track, because each one is so different. And the order provides me with a new listening experience...when a song comes to its end, I'm not prepared for what comes next alphabetically.

New music from the Catholics would be so welcome, even if they never played another live show, as the songs are recorded "live". Still, the intensity of the one live performance I caught was blissful.

Pixies are great---and no doubt, at least for now, they're his cash-cow---but I'm a hard-core Catha-holic.
Arm Arm Arm Posted - 07/16/2015 : 01:51:04
For those of you who purchased the box set, does the alphabetical order work for you? Think it was a good call?

Arm Arm Arm Posted - 07/16/2015 : 01:49:47
Thanks for those interviews!
Arm Arm Arm Posted - 07/16/2015 : 01:27:29
Oh yeah, Rich is a phenomenal guitarist, his soloing a mix of melody, shredding and crazy bends. And noise!

Arm Arm Arm Posted - 07/16/2015 : 01:20:54
I'd pick up a new Catholics album. At the same time, I'm happy with what we've gotten. From All my Ghosts to Manitoba is a great run of music. Fitting in a way that the coda to the song is all of them (plus Jack Kidney) playing together, just the instruments.

If not a reunion tour but more a couple shows to kinda put a bow on the whole thing would be great. Especially if 1826 or Blast-Off became their Vamos.

However, I think a new Catholics record would be also be great, especially if they rocked it up a bit more than Show Me Your Tears.

But if it doesn't happen, I'm glad for what they did record. It's a great run of music.


Stevio10 Posted - 07/15/2015 : 05:52:41
I share your pain grandmacaesar, almost like the love of your life telling you it was just a bit of fun at a certain time in their life!

Well, maybe not quite...I suppose the best way to look at it is that it wasn't too long (long enough though) ago they last recorded. There is a lot of clamour for a FB Self Titled and TOTY reunion tour especially as they will be coming up to their 25th anniversary in the coming years.

I dont know if the Pixies will go on forever, but Im fairly sure BF will not forget his solo career in the long run.

With him talking with members of the Catholics about recording new music (wasnt he speaking with Rich G about making an album?) im optimistic. Though it may not be the Catholics, Id be excited to hear BF with Rich again.

Dave McCaffrey and Rich brought a great energy to their live performances, though the Pixies exude cool on stage, sometimes you just want a bit of manic Rich Gilbert moving like a cyborg Austin Powers!
grandmacaesar Posted - 07/14/2015 : 21:46:15
I really miss how well those guys performed together. It was so much more alive than the Pixies, no doubt due to the recording style. And his songwriting skills went over the top at that time.
hammerhands Posted - 07/14/2015 : 10:19:47
Do you think we just want what we don't have?
picpic Posted - 07/14/2015 : 10:02:12
In a recent periscope session, asked if the Catholics would ever work together again, he answered:" I don't know man ! I don't know !".

Well, at least that wasn't a "No".

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grandmacaesar Posted - 07/13/2015 : 12:19:45
Thanks for the interview links.

From therecoup interview:

"The Catholics made six records in five years, and we had fun. Would The Catholics ever do something again? Probably not, no, because it was a very specific moment in time. It was a good run, and, more importantly, it was a good experiment for me as an artist."

That hurts me to the core....
Stevio10 Posted - 07/12/2015 : 22:02:00
Dont know if these have been posted before but found a couple of recent interviews and an older one that hadn't read before;

R13:Has revisiting all of this material encouraged you into writing new stuff under ‘Frank Black & The Catholics’?
FB: No. I'd need to have a reason. An offer from somebody. I have discussed doing new material with some of the Catholics and so, it is a possibility. We'll see how it all works out. I see that Scott and Dave are out touring again with Mark Mulcahy.



Arm Arm Arm Posted - 07/09/2015 : 19:32:10
I don't know if this has been posted before. It's a pretty good review of the box set.

grandmacaesar Posted - 06/24/2015 : 11:45:25
Originally posted by Jason

My old CDs are beat to hell. A few of them are unplayable now (before everybody had MP3 players, I could be pretty rough on CDs).

My wife (now my ex) was not one to take care of CDs. I eventually amassed a lot of the tunes on mp3s...but after listening to the mp3s forever and a day, then popping in these high-quality recordings, a person can easily hear the difference.

CAN SOMEONE HELP ME OUT? I'm jonesin' for some live Catholics, audio and video, and the links in the "Trading" forum are all dead!

Man...I wish they'd get back together.
marcusb Posted - 06/22/2015 : 05:54:45
Originally posted by Jason

I wouldn't hold my breath on much of a tidal wave to build over the mastering error. I listened to it and, gotta admit, I don't care.

I'm not expecting a "tidal wave" over it. But the flaw is very apparent. I'd just like to see what they would say about it.

Jason Posted - 06/22/2015 : 03:35:20
I wouldn't hold my breath on much of a tidal wave to build over the mastering error. I listened to it and, gotta admit, I don't care.

Anyway, the box set is pretty wonderful. This is probably my favorite period of Frank's music. My old CDs are beat to hell. A few of them are unplayable now (before everybody had MP3 players, I could be pretty rough on CDs). I was wanting hard copies again, but holding out for the box set and it was worth it. The $70 price tag also makes want to treat this a little nicer than my Black Letter Days twelve years ago, losing it under the seats of my car. No, the packaging isn't crazy with information, full of photos or liner notes. It's just some nice gatefold CD sleeves in a sturdy slipcase and a lyric booklet with a Mike Watt foreward, but that's fine. Like all of Frank's bands, the Catholics were aloof. Frank opens up now and then because he gets asked and he's human, but if he had his way 100%, I think he would prefer to maintain as much mystery as possible about his songs, his records and how they're created. I'm sympathetic to that. It's part of why I like him so much and this box set is completely in-character for him and the band.

The familiar songs hold up beautifully. The unfamiliar tracks made me stop and take in every note. And that "True Blue" disc is a trip.

This goes with me to the desert island.

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