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| Monsieur |
Posted - 09/19/2004 : 08:36:54
Everybody seems to be white on this forum. What about a little affirmative action?
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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| VoVat |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 16:54:00
quote:
like they do in boy bands, ya know, the bad the good the ugly, the gay and the ethnic minority guy....
You mean they aren't ALL gay?
I listen to mostly music made by English-speaking white people. It wasn't really a conscious thing on my part, though. Well, I guess the language thing kind of was, but not the race thing.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 11:14:27
That's funny.
The worst boss I had was female and a psychiatrist.
I kept thinking how can she not know she's such a nazi bitch...
But I've had good and bad in both.
The worst are the suits, fuck I hate suits..
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"The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity,
and worship without sacrifice." |
| kathryn |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 10:59:48
And to totally hijack the thread: my worst bosses by far have been women. By far. It saddens me to say this as a woman and a feminist, but the bosses I count myself happy to have had have all been male and my two bosses from hell were both female. Total psychos.
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 10:45:59
That is the best thing a manager can do,
but they usually don't.
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"The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity,
and worship without sacrifice." |
| kathryn |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 10:29:44
Not that I disagree Carolynanna, but I know from experience that the best thing a manager can do is surround herself with people she can count on. You want to hire people who will be as good as you are and, if you are lucky, who excell in your areas of weakness. (A tangent: many managers are too insecure to surround themselves with "rising stars" lest they be seen as less capable than their "underlings.") The best such group I put together was all male, all non-white (three were Mexican-American, the other Philipino). We kicked some ass and had a lot of fun. But I would have hired anybody who had those qualities, no matter their gender or race. That said, it bothers me to no end when people automatically assume that a person is a priviledged power-freak just because he is white and male.
Also, yeah, there were some good songs on that album. What happened to those guys?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 09:22:10
Living Color, didn't they do that Cult of Personality song???
Anyway,
I think Monsieur brings up a good point;
"I guess it's simply easier to identify yourself with someone who looks like you."
In a management class at uni we were discussing this issue.
In one chapter, there was debate on the whole old boys club thing.
The problem is that if you are hiring someone, whether concious or not, you'd like to pick someone similar to yourself. Reason being, you are responsible for hiring someone who will be able to perform duties in a manner in which you approve or download your own duties to someone you trust to perform them as you would. People pick people like themselves, its pretty basic psychology. EOE was meant for some people to be able to get their foot in the door.
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"The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity,
and worship without sacrifice." |
| bumblebeeboy2 |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 06:17:05
i have, in fact i kind of knew him at a time, he was into really good music, went to all the cool shows, can't remember how i know him, a friend of a friend i think, but exceptional taste in music, went to better gigs than me and knew of bands way before me too! i think he may have wrote for a Uni magazine/paper...
Go go the average man! What are you looking for average man? The ain't nothing average about me man! |
| Atheist4Catholics |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 06:15:20
I can't remember ever seeing a black person at any of the Frank Black shows I've been to and that includes the Irving Plaza show. I do think it's interesting... I bet there are a lot of European fans who are black.
For more information on rock, visit www.timfranklin.net |
| Visiting Sasquatch |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 05:57:31
Don't forget Bad Brains, and DH Peligro. |
| hammerhands |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 04:09:08
With reservation.
There was some talk about TV on the Radio covering Mr. Grieves. There is an article at CBCRadio3.
I like Fishbone. When I saw them play here they got the fish-bowl treatment. It was mostly a university crowd, there was never going to be any dancing, which unnerved the band. It was funny.
It would be hopeless to try to list every musician from Jimi Hendrix to Lenny Kravitz.
This is where conversations can go.
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| Hanoi333 |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 01:09:50
quote:
Originally posted by the tolerant
how many black rock bands out there? dont mean nothing by it but there's bit of a niche in the market dont you thinks, Mr Cowell? what I've seen its just the way it is with this type of music. Most of my "black" friends are into hip-hop, d'n'b and such. it was the same when i saw Nirvana, like you say, the same with the Pixies. Is it something to do with your friends influences, who you hang around with to feel apart of something. the genre of music i religiously listen to is generally written by white people.
does white attract white? does Black attract black?
I remember in about 1990 the band Living Colour , a rock band with all black members. I remember they had two major hits that time.
One was called "Love raises its ugly head" or something, I am not sure anymore. And of course the hardrockband "Body Count" with the song cop-killer and born dead, wasn`t that one with ICE-T? Well actually I think they only made about 1 or 2 records.
I like the fragment in between about the donut eating officers and the black person whose car broke down.
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| slaveish |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 20:10:16
Yeah, it's just something to think about. We still live in a largley segregated world. It has a lot to do with economics and the power structure. But also, people just have their own tastes, that are influenced by the people they are close with. I listen to lots of different stuff- rock is just one kind of music I like. It all started with African rhythms anyway- everyone (well should, anyway) knows that. I'm fascinated by the constant musical "conversation" Americans and Brits have been having across the Atlantic, influenced by early R&B originally. Like I said in an another thread, I was listening to old Who stuff- you can hear so much the British Invasion sound- old Stones, old Beatles. They all had that sound before they branched off and established their own unique styles. Anyways, I digress... |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 15:30:14
Well... I have a diverse group of friends and listen to diverse music. For some reason, only one of my afriacan american friends have heard of the band-- he was a friend from hs. a killer musican and he would wear ear plugs to shows before it was popular. Anyway, pretty much none of my white, gay, hispanic other friends have heard of the Pixies/FB either. But on the other hand, there are a lot of my white friends that might listen to popular Hip/Hop/R&B haven't heard of KRS One or even Tribe Called Quest, who are closest of what I might call the Hip/Hop eqivalent of the Pixies.
Steely Dan seems to be the biggest cross over rock band (among the people I hang out with) but alot of people I know keep current with a wide variety of tunes, but usually the more mainstream it is the more people know about it.
Now that the Pixies are getting more attention than ever, hopefully that will bring in some new fans and the fan base will become more diverse. |
| cassandra is |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 15:09:34
quote:
Originally posted by Monsieur
Détends toi, Cassandra...
It's just a discussion, and I know some black people who like the Pixies, so you see....
I guess it's simply easier to identify yourself with someone who looks like you.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust
je suis pas forcément d'accord, mais bon... comme dirait-mon père:"tous les goûts sont dans la nature, et les chiens bouffent la crotte"
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 14:47:35
quote:
Originally posted by cassandra is
Is this some kind of socioligical survey, or do we also have to care about bankers & garbagemen likes or dislikes?
I dislikes bankers and likes garbagemen. do not send me any spam please and thank you. |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 14:37:55
Détends toi, Cassandra...
It's just a discussion, and I know some black people who like the Pixies, so you see....
I guess it's simply easier to identify yourself with someone who looks like you.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| cassandra is |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 14:04:17
I really don't know if one is better than the other
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
| the tolerant |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 13:46:28
quote:
Originally posted by cassandra is
why is that so important to know who or what kind of people are listening to a certain music ?
it isn't. just havin a conversation bout a topic posted by a member.
personally, it beats the Bush/US/Iraq thing. |
| remig |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 13:43:37
Once I was coming back from a gluecifer concert at the trabendo, next a big venue in Paris.
I saw people coming out, and I said to myself, they look like people going out of a JJ Golmand (french waful songwriter, kind of a Phil Colins) concert. it was. And they looked like 30-40's years old teachers. |
| cassandra is |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 13:32:20
what's the fucking point of this whole discussion?
why is that so important to know who or what kind of people are listening to a certain music ?
Is this some kind of socioligical survey, or do we also have to care about bankers & garbagemen likes or dislikes?
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
| remig |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 12:57:16
I too listen almost exclusively white rock.
Don't know why but I don't feel attracted by "black" music, even thought I do respect it and appreciate it sometimes (N.E.R.D., Outkast, Blues, Funk...) |
| Coldheartofstone |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 12:34:27
I'm about an 8th black...
am I cool now? |
| the tolerant |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 12:19:16
how many black rock bands out there? dont mean nothing by it but there's bit of a niche in the market dont you thinks, Mr Cowell? what I've seen its just the way it is with this type of music. Most of my "black" friends are into hip-hop, d'n'b and such. it was the same when i saw Nirvana, like you say, the same with the Pixies. Is it something to do with your friends influences, who you hang around with to feel apart of something. the genre of music i religiously listen to is generally written by white people.
does white attract white? does Black attract black? |
| kathryn |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 10:43:52
Oh, remig, I'm so glad someone here has read it. It rocks!
Read it, one and all.
And what a great way of stealing Monsieur's thread. It's always a good feeling when I do that.
But, seriously, back on topic ... I have been to many (but never enough) of Charles' shows. Only once have I seen a black person and I actually remarked to myself when I did -- when this very cool guy kept offering me his joint during a killer Catholics show in Montreal. The whiteness of the audience was also noteworthy in its weirdness the few times I saw the Pixies in the Boston area.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| remig |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 08:07:34
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Any of you white people read "Middlesex," which a) rocks and b) alludes to The Waste Land?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank
That's one of the best book I read.
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| kathryn |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 08:01:04
Any of you white people read "Middlesex," which a) rocks and b) alludes to The Waste Land?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| realmeanmotorscutor |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 06:29:59
The Waste Land blows.
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| Monsieur |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 06:27:03
Waste Land
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| cassandra is |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 06:24:16
quote:
Originally posted by Monsieur
White people are a minority, actually.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust
What do you excatly mean by saying that?
apart from that, where did you got your quote, does this have somthing to do with T.S. Eliot?
I used to write this quote on my university desks,and I also write a song that's called like that two years ago...
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 06:11:31
White people are a minority, actually.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| GypsyDeath |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 03:58:59
this thread is slightly disturbing....do you want a token black member or something? like they do in boy bands, ya know, the bad the good the ugly, the gay and the ethnic minority guy.... (admitedly this may not be the case anymore, but with most manufactured bands it was a few years back.)
God forbid I exude confidence and enjoy sex |
| hammerhands |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 02:52:35
sigh. |
| remig |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 02:13:57
Black people that actually rocks (i mean in rock band):
Gary, Libertines's drummer
Slash (isn't he half black?)
Bloc Party's singer
Dirtbomb's singer
Who else?
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| shineoftheever |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 01:18:35
...i am not black like barry white, but white like frank black is.... |
| n/a |
Posted - 09/19/2004 : 10:50:00
At least we have Frank Black! I agree with Peter r. we are all "Black people" |
