| T O P I C R E V I E W |
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Posted - 08/15/2004 : 18:07:13
http://www.georgewbush.com/btl/CustomPoster.aspx?type=color
So, I can't sleep tonight and I was reading the various politico threads on the forum, and decided to read around them a bit (I really am bored) and stumbled accross GeorgewBush.com and was quite delighted when I found a create a poster link, I was going to make a magic ironic forum one when I scrolled down the options for coalition groups (I was going to have the forum as young proffesionals) and noticed the words....
Pro Life
I wanted to check that this was for real? Is this really something they advertise? Because I have to say, if this is true I am HORRIFIED! I really am! Enlighten Tre!
 I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| slaveish |
Posted - 08/22/2004 : 23:29:46
The writer Thomas Frank brings up a good point. He says that the right wing likes to use abortion as an issue which gets them votes, but they never actually do anything about it. Year after year, abortion is a hot-button issue. It always comes up close to elections. He says that the right-wing view (right to life) appeals to conservative Christians, and these people vote for them election after election. But when it comes down to it, he says that the right-wing politicians don't really believe in taking away women's reproductive rights. It's obvious because they rarely pursue it. As soon as they get elected, the right focuses on economic issues (TAX CUTS.)
I agree- this is something I've thought about before. Extreme right-wing Christians talk very loudly, but in reality, they make up a minority of Americans. Fundamentalists are always in the minority. They get a lot of attention for their extremist views and tactics, but really, they don't have a lot of power.
And I'll add this- yes, I consider George Bush to be a religious extremist, and yes, right now, he has a lot of power. But I think his power is only temporary. People are waking up to his shenanigans. |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/20/2004 : 20:00:27
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We all need to grow spines. Is it cool that any of these "babies" are being aborted? No, I don't think anyone enjoys that. Is it cool that some people are trying to take away the choice to people who may truly need it? No, that's not particularly cool either. We, as a race, have FUCKED up this planet to NO FUCKING END. We're having to deal with it now in the form of over-population, deadly STD's, ozone layer depletion, natural resources dwindling, various pollution EVERYWHERE, having to choose whether to abort a baby, and our planet's beautiful animals becoming endangered and extinct because of all of the above. We're all so fucking selfish! Hell, we kill in what we believe and are bigoted towards people because of it. We hold grudges and continually use them against people because we know we [i]can. We are horrible people! Every last one of us! We have our redeeming values, but in the end it really doesn't even the balance. We make fun of people who are sick because they're different (mentally, emotionally, and physically!) we stereotype because of color, we fucking suck.
Mr. Crouton... your comment was profound...I never thought a rock and roll forum would make me think so much thanks. We do suck. But hopefully we're starting to suck less. But you are right on so many levels.
This is a random thought...Now some how I am getting a picture of a reality tv program "Pro-Choice Pro-Life in which different sides influcence a young Teenage mother.... oops it was already done on the Dr. Phil Show. It really makes you wonder sometimes :) |
| The Champ |
Posted - 08/20/2004 : 10:13:01
Ya thats what i think as well. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/20/2004 : 10:08:10
quote:
Originally posted by ramona
But what if the father to be is not going to be in the picture?
Define the case... things like this need to be treated on a by-case basis I think, hopefully resolved by the couple themselves, but some people need others to see clearly for them.
In the most general of terms:
If the father doesn't want the child and the mother does, the mother has the child and the father stays out of its life and/or is not required to support it.
If the father wants the child and the mother does not, the mother has the child and it is given to the father to raise. The mother stays out of its life and/or is not required to support it. However, she should probably be supported during the pregnancy.
If both parties want the child, they have it and are both responsible for its upbringing.
If neither party wants the child, they do not have it.
I admit that it's not fair for the mother to carry the child she doesn't want, but it's probably more fair than the father having his child aborted unilaterally. This isn't exactly an easy debate, but that's how I would have it.
 "When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| darwin |
Posted - 08/20/2004 : 09:42:33
Other animals suffer from STDs as well. Pretty common actually. |
| ramona |
Posted - 08/20/2004 : 08:29:32
But what if the father to be is not going to be in the picture?
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You`re where you want to be, I`m where I want to be
Caught up chasing everything I`ve ever wanted
I replace you easily, replace pathetically,
I flirt with any flighty thing that falls my way.
But how I needed you, when I needed you.
Let`s not forget we are so strong, so bloody strong.
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| The Champ |
Posted - 08/20/2004 : 07:54:35
I dont like the argument saying that men dont have as much of a say as a women when it comes to abortion. I mean say the average child takes 13 years to become independant, and thats being generous, that means that only about 1 percent or so of that total time is entirely that of the women..I believe it has to be something which should be decided by both people. Im not disputing the importance of the time that the women carries the child, but you have to look at the bigger picture. |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 18:44:52
I created a bush poster.
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 18:38:28
I'm pretty sure that we've mutated simple diseases into horrible ones...Hmm...I'm probably wrong, as usual.
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| VoVat |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 18:28:45
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We, as a race, have FUCKED up this planet to NO FUCKING END. We're having to deal with it now in the form of over-population, deadly STD's
Well, maybe we can blame the SPREAD of STDs on the human race, but I don't think humans CREATED them.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 18:15:59
BALEETED!
See, there you go again with your self-righteous blathering. No one even said anything about you and there you go...You, you, you! 
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 18:14:03
I have no idea what you mean? me? where
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Just trying to prove I am all sweetness and light me! There was no way that thing was staying up. but see, I'm not evil!
The hair hides the little red horns, grr.
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 17:55:55
ok ha ha, I can never get these fucking pictures up, I should really get some sleep
*sigh*
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 17:55:08
Hmm...Actually, I do think that broken link pictures are what meanies look like. Other than the Blue Meanies, of course...
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 17:51:33
not really, two faced would be thinking you were a shit but telling you you were super great and slagging you off behind your back. Bitchy would be picking on a niggly little thing I don't like and harping on about it negatively or being sly and patronising about it. If I think you're a shit I'll tell you and explain myself.
I may not always be very nice but I'm pretty upfront about it.
and c'mon.. do I look like a meanie?
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 17:34:31
This is going to sound really mean and stuff...but sometimes people who are very defensive and are ready to jump at the blink of an eye come off as two-faced and bitchy sometimes. I know you're not, but I'm sure you understand what I mean..
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 17:23:42
It's true we're a virus with shoes
But I try, I really do to be the best virus I can, I aim for symbiosis rather than the parasitism that is infecting this pretty green and blue ball on which we live.
But I don't think I or any other human being can say that they truley manage it, I hold by the principles I set myself, my own personal moral code, but does my code hold with the rest of the world, probably not, do I really care half the time, not really. I try to limit the damage I cause on this earth in environmental terms I try to be a harmonious human being true, but my intolerance for fuckwits gene is totally mutated so I totally tend to not tolerate them and that generally isn't pretty. I reassure myself that this is ok 'cos at least I'm not two-faced or bitchy or any of those other things I deplore, but yeah, I suck. I'll totally hold my hand up to this too. But I try.
Good point Nate, I think there is far too much back slapping of the human race going on and a lot of people could do with just admitting as a race, we do suck.
We are destructive and selfish and thoughtless and as a race will sand on the backs of anything and anyone to get us where we want. It's totally fucking depressing.
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 17:06:29
Sorry for editing the other post, clicked on "edit" before you had posted your response...
Grrrr...
GAH! Damned if I do, damned if I don't.
Woo...alright. Sorry about that. Back to actually talking about the subject...Alright, about the whole labeling a certain side this or that...I don't get that. The other side could very well label you "Pro-Death", right? Most people are in the middle, anways! So who the fuck cares? Not I. Usually there's a "devil's advocate" type person defending both sides but with this it's all very much "gung-ho". It all seems very selfish, on both sides actually: "Well this might be something that I have to deal with...so ha!" "Yeah? Well I might have to deal with this..blablabla!"
We all need to grow spines. Is it cool that any of these "babies" are being aborted? No, I don't think anyone enjoys that. Is it cool that some people are trying to take away the choice to people who may truly need it? No, that's not particularly cool either. We, as a race, have FUCKED up this planet to NO FUCKING END. We're having to deal with it now in the form of over-population, deadly STD's, ozone layer depletion, natural resources dwindling, various pollution EVERYWHERE, having to choose whether to abort a baby, and our planet's beautiful animals becoming endangered and extinct because of all of the above. We're all so fucking selfish! Hell, we kill in what we believe and are bigoted towards people because of it. We hold grudges and continually use them against people because we know we can. We are horrible people! Every last one of us! We have our redeeming values, but in the end it really doesn't even the balance. We make fun of people who are sick because they're different (mentally, emotionally, and physically!) we stereotype because of color, we fucking suck.
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:49:52
Chill woman! I apologised already didn't I, I did my tre is a stupid dance, now quit it!
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I came up with it 'cos Tre lives on the hair trigger of the DEFENSIVE! I assume everyone is having a dig, and the beginning of this thread I haven't read since the other day and there's been periods of eating and sleeping since then.
Now here's my smiley face.
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Group hug anyone?
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:44:05
Maybe the H is for Heli, after his grandfather.
Okay, probably not.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:43:44
Oh right ok
JHC I do tend to jump to the defencive don't I?!?!?
I thought you were accusing me of over simplifying and calling me lame.
My lame referred to the fucktards also, but 'cos they are fucktards
and I think the H stands for Home-boy
Sorry
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:39:05
Wait, what the fuck? I was agreeing with you! WHAT THE FUCK?!
I said "Wow that was lame" about my JOKE, damnit! The "fuck-tard" joke. Jesus H. Christ!
(What does the H stand for anyways?)
And I had fucked with your words before? Really..
PS: Don't you think I would have quoted you if I was commenting on your post?! I don't understand how you came up with that. Seriously. My humor is very self-depricating, I thought that was obvious enough already. From now on do I have to add a smiley face to make sure some things are a joke and a stern face when it's not? Hell, if you had read my statements in the very beginning of this thread I said that it was usually because of lack of protection! I had said that from the very beginning! GAH. Fuck!
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:35:48
are you fucking with my words again nate?
I said a lot of abortions could be prevented if better protection is used and I know for a FACT that there are a lot of young girls here who fuck away without any protection and use abortion as their contraceptive method, not everyone but a number. It was a not an all-inclusive comment.
And yeah, you watch any daytime springer type TV program and you come to think that these rutting "fuck-tards" are too fucking thick to know how to put on a damned condom or take the pill.
So if we're talking about lame here...
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:28:26
Yeah, basically it all comes down to people and their fucking around (without protection...or they use it but don't use it correctly because they're too retarded to know how to use them..or read the directions for that matter.)...They're quite literally "fuck-tards".
Wow that was lame..
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:22:00
Tre and Vovat, good points. Tre I agree that pro-choice might not mean pro-abortion. Basically it is my stance that couples should choose (in the instance of rape it should be left to the woman). What one couple decides what to do with their body is none of my business. What ever they choose, abortion, adoption or keeping the child-- they are in a far better position than me to decide what is best for them. I am not God, so I do not feel comfortable making that choice for others.
Realmeanmotorscutor-- To be honest, I don't remember exactly. I do remember the photo on it. It definately did not say anti-choice, that's just the label I like to use in this type of debate. Not sure if it said pro-life...but it did say how many weeks old the fetus was in what I guess was an ultra sound photo. |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:11:51
good point. Well presented
I think pro-lifers forget that being pro-choice isn't necesarily being pro-abortion. I think personally a hell of a lot of the abortions performed annualy could be prevented if these people just used better protection. Or some protection. Idiots.
But the choice had to be there, and there may be a time I need that choice.
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 16:04:18
Well, Pro-Life IS Anti-Choice, at least with respect to abortion, right?
The terms are really kind of ridiculous anyway. Who can honestly say they're against choice, or against life? It's like when people put up posters saying, "Support our troops!" I don't think anyone would say, "No, the troops should die!" Plenty of people are against war, though.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| realmeanmotorscutor |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 13:07:18
quote:
Originally posted by Daisy Girl
Recently, in the city where I now live there was a big truck with anti-choice pictures and a airplane carrying a similar banner. It was very in your face and I thought it was in poor taste.
Did it really say "Anti-Choice" or is that just how you refer to Pro-Life?
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 12:09:37
Agreed... I just look it it and stare. After you look at it once it looses its shock value. |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 11:56:48
I often think the in your face graphic evilness of protestors is because they know they can't debate their point adequatley
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 11:51:46
Thanks Tre. It's interesting to see what things are like around the world.
I think the protests in the US vary...I think in bigger cities it might be more of an issue... but the small town where I went to college only had an older couple that protested.
Recently, in the city where I now live there was a big truck with anti-choice pictures and a airplane carrying a similar banner. It was very in your face and I thought it was in poor taste. |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/18/2004 : 02:57:35
To be honest, I don't really think it is such an issue here, I have friends who work in abortion clinics and I got offered a job in one and they never tell me of the fierce protesting outside on a daily basis 'cos it doesn't happen. In fact, there has been abortion debating in the news recently because of cut off points rather than wether or not it should be allowed, this is why I had a shock that it was an advertisable pro in politics. I think if a major party here tried that they'd drop votes like billy-o.
But religion is a less played card too, there's less emphasis on it because there is a really strong and really lovely multicultural vibe here and to alienate religious groups would also drop votes like crazy, but saying that BNP *shudder*
I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/17/2004 : 19:02:49
Tre and Gypsy and anyone else not in the US,
Just wondering if the pro/anti choice debate is as political in your countries.
It has seemed strange for me for awhile that many people including myself vote for a certain party just becasue of that issue alone. Honestly, I really think it should be a decision between the woman, the man who got her pregnant and her doctor.
Do any countires have a more enlightened view? How accessable are abortions... I would say here women might have to wait a month or so and travel up to a day or so.
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| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 08/17/2004 : 18:42:56
"My substance was not hidden from Thee, when I was made in secret, and intricately wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unformed; and in Thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. "—Psalm 739: 15-16.
ˇViva los Católicos! |
| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 08/17/2004 : 18:40:02
Well, it doesn't make sense to me either; that's just the argument my Calvanist father gives me every time we get into a debate over abortion.
ˇViva los Católicos! |
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