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| The Champ |
Posted - 08/07/2004 : 08:12:16
Man what a disapointement this game was brutal. It had so much potential but the obviously just focused on great graphics rather then story line or gameplay. The game as a whole was just boring and nothing compared to the original doom made way back when. Not to mention they tried and did rip off half life in so many ways...but half life even tho was made about 7 years before this doom is a much better game...AHHHHH!!! |
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| The Champ |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 17:11:03
Man i would love it if u found them BLT. 50 levels i never played :) |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 16:26:01
i had a doom pack when i was a kid on my old pc - back when i didn't really know much about games but still played them. that's why i was a bit confused to hear about a doom 3 - i was sure i played more than 2 games before! |
| BLT |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 15:35:33
quote:
Originally posted by The Champ
Any body got Final Doom , i never did play that one through.
I think I have the WAD files stashed away somewhere, but I don't think I ever got through them. Extremely difficult levels! |
| The Champ |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 14:12:24
Any body got Final Doom , i never did play that one through. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 09:29:57
the champ: yeah the beginning of doom is a lot like the beginning of half life, but considering it's a retelling of the original doom story, and half life was basically the doom story but with aliens instead of demons what do you want? i was kind of disappointed in that aspect of doom 3 too but in a way it's hard not to have a section like that. NOLF had the same type of thing, pretty much every modern FPS does. some "calm" section where you learn how to move around and everything. i'm surprised there was no target practice or obstacle course. some of the things you say doom 3 doesn't have it actually does which leads me to believe you skipped levels and/or didn't actually play the game through.
c_o_f: yeah it was a lot of fun. i did one level in it and helped with the design of the monsters and the inserting of them into the game, etc. that sounds like a neat level. my favourite one i did was this level that was designed to seem like it could fit right in with DOOM itself and i think i did a good job. the best part about it was that it had this big room that you went into and later you came into what seemed to be the same room but upside down. which, as you know, was very tricky to do in DOOM's engine. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 08:29:36
Ebb, you worked on the Alien mod? That's awesome, it was a pretty wicked wad as I recall. I did a few maps which were full of promise and lacking actual substance. My best one was a skyscraper level (no mean feat in an essentially 2D engine) with balconies and a sewer system. Played it around town quite a bit, but I don't know that it ever got further than that.
 "When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| The Champ |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 07:57:46
I love the buddy holly Glasses |
| The Champ |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 07:45:25
Ebb Vicious
I wanted to like Doom 3, i really did, i loved the original,
But after playing half life 4 years ago or so and then playing this doom, it crumbles in comparison.
Half life is much more complex, u can actually get lost in the maps, u have characters who follow you, every little puzzle isnt totally explained to you, u have to figure it out for yourself, an example of this would be the mission FORGET ABOUT FREEMAN..well right before that mission starts when u have to control the airstrikes to blow a hole in this steel door..sure doesnt sound like much but you had to figure that out for yourself, their wasnt a big arrow telling u where to shoot. Story wise half life was definatly more developed then doom. Take the G man following you around watching you. The surpirse that the Marines were their to kill you not help you. Stuff like that Doom completely lacked, little surprises and revelations. Their was practically none of that in doom. Also that the begining of Doom 3 was dooms attempt at ripping off Half life IE go get your ammo, listen in to a few scientists discussing the here say of different scientists...etc. Thats Direct half life and u cant denie that. Only they didnt continue with that, the aliens just showed up and that was the end of pretty much all secondary character interaction..because everyone was dead. The Two ROom Disco that they pulled on Doom 3 (Mars base, hell) was one of the things i hated the most..it got really ugly after a while. Hell looked good tho.
Whats the Original Alien doom by the way? |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 18:24:07
btw
http://www.planethalflife.com/half-life2/screenshots/15.jpg
is that, or is that not, the spitting image of el barto. (see in his profile above) |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 18:08:04
i disagree that half life was the most satisfying single player experience at the time (planescape: torment > all) but probably the most engrossing/satisfying single player FPS experience. sorry had to nitpick.
like i said above, calling someone a 'fanboy' or whatever is just admitting you are out of things to say. |
| cvanepps |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 18:04:02
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
i was one of the guys who did the original Alien DOOM, if i can toot my own tooter.
Toot away, laddie! I loved that TC. Good work!
However, I think Half-Life was really great, the best use of the Quake 2 engine. It was the most creative and satisfying single-player experience at that time.
I'm not sure what the psychology of these folks is but there's this weird thing of Person X saying he likes Game A and then Person Y, who disagrees, suddenly thinks Person X has sold his soul for Game A, that he's a "fanboi," and will do anything to defend Game A. I see that nonsense a hundred times with every thread on Blues News. In reality, it's possible that all those folks actually did like Half-Life that much AND AT THE SAME TIME, others did not. Both groups are correct.
That's how opinions work, actually. Neat, huh?
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 17:45:33
no i do accept that you don't like it and i'm saying it's probably because you went into it having already decided that you wouldn't like it.
i'm criticizing half life because i think it's not that great and people -- especially people criticizing doom 3 -- hold it up as some kind of messiah of FPS games. |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 17:39:50
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
ebb vicious = doom fanboy
calling someone a fanboy == admitting you are unable to actually discuss the topic
that said, yes i am a big fan of DOOM 3. i was really unimpressed with Quake 2 & Quake 3, i'm glad id did a great job with this game.
seriously though. i don't like doom 3. fair enough that you do, but it just feels like you're not willing to accept that maybe some people don't. it also feels like you're trying to attack HL simply because those who don't like doom 3 that much seem to like HL - now that would be silly wouldn't it? 
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 16:13:42
it probably won't run well on that card, dave. i have a GF4 MX4000 in my AthlonXP 1700+ machine (w/512MB of PC2700 memory) and it ran like poop on a stick even in 640x480 with "low detail". :( which makes me sad, but my brother is getting his machine from college sent out here so we'll upgrade that one and hopefully be able to play together.
let me know when you want to play WC3. i play on US East as WinningIsHard, though i haven't played since D3 came out. :)
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oh yeah and i liked SS2 but i never owned it so i never played it more than a couple hours.
i agree that what other people do with the DOOM 3 engine will be even better than the actual game. after i finish single player i plan on playing around with the level editor. i was one of the guys who did the original Alien DOOM, if i can toot my own tooter. |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 15:54:30
I'll be downloading D3 some time soon..i'll give it a whirl if it'll accept my vid card.. (GF4 MX440..heh..)
I always enjoyed UT, never really like many of the other FPS..Dark Forces was fun thematically. If thematically is a word.
Oooh..i'll play WC3 TFT with you Ebb (and anyone else!) I haven't played for a while tho, so i'll be pretty rusty.
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| cvanepps |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 15:18:48
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
as "FPS" encorporate parts of other genres they become new ones. FPS means First Person SHOOTER. as games like SS2 evolve more they become Action RPGs. it's like the difference betwen Descent and a Flight Sim.
that last bit was meant to demonstrate the stupidity of people saying that DOOM 3 is just "shoot monsters, get keycard, shoot monsters, leave level." of course it is, and of course every puzzle is "push button"/"collect keycard" because that's all there is. it's how it is done that makes it interesting. same with movies. if you ignore the aesthetics everything becomes dull and stupid.
Gotcha! What did you think of SS2? Personally, I loved it. Particularly the co-op mode, which makes going through the cojoined ships in that game with a friend very immersive indeed. COF, you should pick that one up if you can find it.
Re: Doom 3, I haven't played it yet but I'll get to it when I find the time. I want to reward myself for finishing the music I'm working on with gaming goodness. Everyone seems to forget that 1) id software makes gaming engines moreso than fully-fleshed out games and 2) id themselves said that Doom 3 was a straightforward FPS.
I saw a quote on a Blues News board that summed up all the recent complaints very well: "They're chewing on a slurpee and complaining that it isn't french vanilla ice cream."
There will be plenty of developers that will do amazing things with the Doom 3 engine...just wait! What I love is that ten years from now, we'll look back at the Doom 3 engine and say how crappy it looks!
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 15:04:27
quote:
Originally posted by PixieSteve
ebb vicious = doom fanboy
calling someone a fanboy == admitting you are unable to actually discuss the topic
that said, yes i am a big fan of DOOM 3. i was really unimpressed with Quake 2 & Quake 3, i'm glad id did a great job with this game. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 14:27:40
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
heh, run and gun.
i myself would say HL is the best FPS on the PC I've played. this is only because of Goldeneye on the N64 though, generally PC FPS are better by default!
I never liked Goldeneye at all, thought it was shit. I like pretty much every other game mentioned here though, with Return To Castle Wolfenstein being my favourite for online gaming. I prefer the slightly slower paced games where you work as a team and use more team based tactics. These tend to be the World War based games I find.
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| PixieSteve |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 14:04:02
ebb vicious = doom fanboy |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 13:45:42
as "FPS" encorporate parts of other genres they become new ones. FPS means First Person SHOOTER. as games like SS2 evolve more they become Action RPGs. it's like the difference betwen Descent and a Flight Sim.
that last bit was meant to demonstrate the stupidity of people saying that DOOM 3 is just "shoot monsters, get keycard, shoot monsters, leave level." of course it is, and of course every puzzle is "push button"/"collect keycard" because that's all there is. it's how it is done that makes it interesting. same with movies. if you ignore the aesthetics everything becomes dull and stupid. |
| cvanepps |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 13:33:06
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
one last thing, you can rag on DOOM for being "shoot, collect keycard/press button, shoot, next level" that's what ALL FPS are, and always will be.
I hope the archive thingy on this works well, becuase ten years from now, I'm going to remember this quote and serve it to you, crow-style, baby.  But overall, I hear you, Ebb. The thing that will change first about "shooters" is that they will begin to incorporate elements from other genres, like System Shock 2 did. Long-term-wise, I think computer technology will be pretty impressive in ten years. It's conceivable that it will provide an experience like an interactive novel.
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any puzzle can be reduced down to "push button"/"collect keycard"
Yeah, and evey movie can be reduced to some basic formula too. But how many movies are there? A few million? What are you trying to say with this particular nugget?
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| n/a |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 09:39:37
Haven't got my grubby mits on doom 3 yet, but I really hope it doesn't suck because I love the first two, and all of the hundreds of wad files we got (and made) I used to listen to the dark side of the moon playing Doom at 3am so tired and spooked I could feel myself leaning over to look round corners instead of getting my little doom-man to do it. In my Godfathers house he had a PC in nearly every room and they were all networked, oh the fun we all had insulting and shooting each other to shit. We even debated buying a projector for full on shit your pants excitment!
Half life is shit though, never got to grips with that, like duke nuke 'em, didn't like that either, don't know why. Liked wolfenstien too, maybe I just like cheesy lo tech kind of games.
I did like Myst and return to zork, and sam and max and day of teh tentacle, gee I miss computer games... hmmm is HMV still open....
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 09:06:50
half life was neat in that it introduced interacting with NPCs to FPS, more than any other game. but the story was not much more than a retelling of the original DOOM but with aliens from another planet/dimension instead of demons from hell. and of course, your character has a name and there are other NPCs. but it's not like there was some complicated plot or any amount of character development.
DOOM 3 is not a novel or movie in FPS form, it is just a good FPS with really well designed levels, bad guys and a fun environment/atmosphere.
half life 2's graphics really aren't that impressive. the thing that fools you into thinking that they're so great is the amount of detail put into the levels. i'm sure it will be a fun game, but DOOM 3's engine is definitely the next generation. half life 2's is just an improvement on the last generation.
while we're on the subject, if you think you can't enjoy DOOM 3's engine because of the darkness you're missing the point. the amazing lighting is half the point. all the lighting being dynamic, and fully bump mapped and appropriately shaded is crazy.
also, DOOM didn't really bring deathmatch to the masses. it invented it (including the term deathmatch.) Quake started bringing it to the masses, but most people didn't catch on until Unreal Tournament and Counterstrike (the latter of which i think is incredibly boring and stupid, and basically takes all the fun/skill out of deathmatch.)
one last thing, you can rag on DOOM for being "shoot, collect keycard/press button, shoot, next level" that's what ALL FPS are, and always will be. any puzzle can be reduced down to "push button"/"collect keycard".
so, like i said before, if you don't like DOOM 3 it's because you don't want to like it and you're looking for excuses. if you let yourself enjoy it, it's a lot of fun. and far more consistently scary than the original half life. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 22:23:18
I haven't played Doom 3 yet, but there's no way that it can have the impact the first Doom did.
I mean, Doom brought multiplayer deathmatches to the masses. Yeah, there were other multiplayer games before, but none like this. How many of us remember those nights playing Doom till 6 AM and loading it with the shell and all those modem options that you have to set. The multiplayer was so fresh, simple, and engaging all at the same time. This is what Doom brought to the world. And the word 'frag' (I think). The singleplay on Doom was fun, too, and intense even, but the only thing really groundbreaking was the quasi-3D world with multiple levels. Doom's innovation in single player was always in its graphics. I'm not sure I could be impressed by a game graphically again the way I was when I first loaded Doom. The contribtution to gaming history, however, lies in the multiplay I think.
As far as other first person shooters go, I'd have to agree that Half-Life is a great game, but largely because it went back to basics with the FPS and took successful elements of games like the Jedi Knight series (maps, story), very few ridiculous jumping/idiot puzzles, and the simplicity/interactivity of a continous story without cut scenes or level evaluation screens. You were on the run for your life and there was no time to stop and look at stats. I remember that "Forget Freeman" thing like it happened to me, almost. But to be enjoyed properly, it had to be played for several hours at a time.
Of course the Jedi Knight games are classic and too rarely referenced. Wolf 3D was my first FPS (followed shortly by Blake Stone) and either that or Doom still probably holds the title for best FPS of its time. Although Dark Forces was certainly my favourite one to play through.
I never cared for any of the Quake games and couldn't get into Unreal (though I loved the outdoor lush environments), and it would be foolish to not mention Max Payne and Thief for what they brought to the table, but those are probably the top ones (maybe I missed one or two, but...). I suppose System Shock should be on there, but I never got a chance to play it.
All in all, I have no point, but I'd have to say that overall best FPS probably does go to Half Life (though not because it was innovative, just because they got almost everything right - if only it had ended when you jumped into that portal) and I hope they can bring something new to the table the second time around. Personally, I expect it'll be more of the same and I'm trying not to get my hopes up.
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| PixieSteve |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 18:49:04
heh, run and gun.
i myself would say HL is the best FPS on the PC I've played. this is only because of Goldeneye on the N64 though, generally PC FPS are better by default! |
| El Barto |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 18:01:41
Half-Life is still the best FPS I've ever played, and yes, I've been doing the FPS thing since Wolf 3D. If you like run and gun, then I can see why you enjoy Doom 3 so much, because as far as FPS gaming goes, it's a step back in the genre. Run around, find access card, advance...run, gun. You can't even fully appreciate the graphics because the game is entirely in the dark. I can't play for more than 15 minutes at a time, because it's way too fucking annoying.
Half-Life 2 will reign. Half-Life 1 was ground breaking...almost everything about it, from the plot to the AI...this is going to have more destructable environments and realistic physics (using the Havoc physics engine, as seen in Max Payne 2 and Far Cry). All this and not to mention the fact that the entire original Half-Life will be able to play using the updated engine...cool as hell.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
| The Champ |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 18:00:08
I was thinking about getting a new Chip, whats the deal with Cash memory anyway, ive seen AMD 1.6 ghz with one meg of cash going for like 5 hundred bucks or so, whats the purpose of cash and does it make that big of a difference?
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| PixieSteve |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 15:08:17
no, half life is meant to be much more customisable. that is, the lowest settings allow it to run on a much lower spec system than with doom 3's lowest settings. 700mhz min? what is doom 3s? at least 1Ghz. 128 or 256mb RAM with HL2 - 384mb with doom3?
as a side note, i want to upgrade to a 9800 pro because i found it fairly cheap online. the thing is, it recommends a 300watt PSU or higher, and mine is only 200watt... getting a quality 300W+ PSU is gonna tip me over the edge...
edit: have a 9200SE 128mb right now... the 9200 series is bad enough, but with it being SE and 64 bit... it's worse than most 64mb graphics cards! |
| The Champ |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 13:43:30
K their is no way u can say this game is the best game this year, how can u get around how simple repetative thus boring it is. Their was nothing new in this game at all. Their was nothing to do at all but run around aimlessly shooting at boring sounding/looking demonds. Sorry to say boring so many times but its true, it was BORING!!!!!! And talk about graphics being able to support a game, really they wernt that great.. Well they were good look at Half life 2's screen shots, they are easly at par with doom 3's, not to mention the environments are far better, and hey guess what i can almost guarentee they will have a movie like story/adventure too with lots of stuff to do other then blowing heads of guys a million times over. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 12:27:00
my Radeon 9600 XT ($130 on newegg.com) runs it really well in 1024x768 w/High Detali and 2XAA. (machine is an AthlonXP 3000+ w/1GB of 400MHz DDR running dual-channel.)
if your system isn't up to Doom 3 it won't be up to Half Life 2 either, i'd say look at is an upgrade for both of those and future games instead of just the one game. :) |
| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 12:11:36
I guess another thing is that I definitely don't want to spend 300 bucks on a "fun experience". There's a reason I play it at a friend's house. My video-card is shit (Radeon 8500 128meg...when I got it fucking ruled...but not anymore..) and the game itself is what, 55 bucks? That's atleast 300 dollars if I want to fully enjoy it. One day..One day..
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 12:06:20
i'll beat you down in WarCraft 3: TFT if you want ;)
i don't like riven/myst, way too boring. nothing going on.
doom 3 isn't a puzzle game, it's not meant to be. it's largely about reflexes. you can and should use strategy, though, when going into encounters if you can. tossing grenades in first, choosing where to shoot from, getting the enemies to move into ideal position, etc.
it's not like WC3 or Total Annihilation or anything, but it's enough for an FPS. i actually don't want the single player mode of an FPS to feel like constantly playing deathmatch online. when i want to play real people, i will.
the main thing is it's a fun experience. the gameplay is mostly secondary -- though like i said i find it very enjoyable -- it's about playing in the dark with surround sound on. if you keep playing alone in the dark and allow yourself to get into the game you WILL jump at parts. it's very cool. |
| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 11:59:17
I only played a bit of it, well...a couple hours...haha..but still. I shall give it another chance and get back to you with what I think..I'm really into thinking/strategy games so I'm automatically biased. Games like Riven or Age of Empires..Warcraft..stuff like that is what really gets me pumping. Also combat flight simulator games..IL-2 Sturmovik is a brilliant example of an extraordinary combat sim game. On the other hand I can really get into Unreal Tournament 2004 and the original Tribes for the great multiplayer experiences.
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 11:52:14
well i actually own it and have spent upwards of 10 hours playing, and i can tell you that the graphics are far from everything. if you think that's all there is then you're not fully appreciating it.
the game does have some flaws, but it's a really great game. i am really, really picky, and i really like it. all my friends like it a lot. one of them NEVER buys games and he bought it.
i think the people who don't like it want to hate it. they don't give it a fair chance and are just dismissing it. which is sad because they're missing out on a really fun experience. |
| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 10:53:41
Hmm, maybe you should look at it objectively...
I played this at a friend's house when he got it and it's sub-par. Graphics, while brilliant, seem to be everything for this game. I didn't get to play multiplayer (there is multiplayer, right?) so I can't rate that element yet. Hopefully they'll license the engine and other companies will be able to make really great games with it. I can definitely see an RPG use of the engine. Yum.
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
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