| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 14:04:47
I was just diagnosed with bi-polar Disorder (mani-depression) today by my specialist.
Treatment begins today.
Dr. Said I would be in Dementia in 4 years if I don't get treatment.
Ah... (deep breath)
Reminds me of a book I read once, I think it was called... One flew over the something oir the other>=)
Anyone have any advice.?
I am really happy to be so sad?
Pity the f**k me.
Fudge.
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronkenhehehahhahehehaha |
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| Stuart |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 18:00:59
Man this place is full of freaks!
I used to be on prozac as a kid and still have slight problems with mood swings, and depression.... although I am certainly more in control of it than when I was a teenager. I think everyone to a certain extent is fucked up, some just can control it more than others.
Just the good ole boys, never meaning no harm,
that all you ever saw
been in trouble with the law,
since the day they were born |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 13:09:47
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you weren't really sick though. it was all in your mind :)
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee!
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yeah... I didn't mix enough bee pollen with enough taro root, spirulina and tibetan yak milk cheese curds. If I would have done that it would have been ok. you live and learn. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 09:04:01
Hello LBF. Best wishes to you (I'm sending good thoughts your way). |
| floop |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 07:11:17
quote:
Originally posted by Daisy Girl
I think its hard when people without certain health issues judge what the person with the health issue should do. For example, I dated a guy that was anti-medicine of any kind except bee pollen. This guy thought that could cure everything. Well he kept harping and harping for me to go off my medicine for a health condition... he even hid my medicine and yelled at me for taking it. Anyway after awhile I quit taking it becasue I was too dumb to break up with him and so sick of him nagging me all the time... so what did I do?? I ended being so sick I ended up in the hospital. I think it is one of those things that it's easy to judge but impossible to understand until you walk those shoes. LBF...that is cool that you have a great doctor and you have so much trust for him/her. I know this is a hard time, but I am glad you found a solution that works for you!
you weren't really sick though. it was all in your mind :)
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 06:53:49
you can't just say yes or no to medication. it's true that lately doctors (see prozac abuse for example) tend to prescribe drugs with extreme ease but sometimes it's inevitable. the most important thing of all is an accurate diagnosis. drugs are not a definitive solution but can help a lot. and there's nothing wrong with taking them, those who call "crazy" and "nuts" people on medication are simply ignorant fucks.
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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| ivandivel |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 02:34:04
There is a lot to be said abouth the pharmacy-industry, but I hardly think this is the right thread.
I think it is very, very important that you - if you're up to it - 1) try to get some information about what would be considered good treatment, and 2) see to it that you get it.
If it's too much right now, maybe some in your family might take a look at it. There are websites with recomendations from people with your diagnose and there are offical guidelines which contain lots of usefull information. For instance, make sure that the one in charge of your treatment formulates a treatment plan for you, and hopefully that he/she includes you when they make it.
Many people find the right use of medication to be usefull, and some people don't. If you get medication - make sure that your condition is regurlarly checked - especially when you just have started on or have changed medication.
Find a good psychotherapist. This could be your psychiatrist or physician, but it doesn't have to be. There may be some issues you've got that may contribute to the moodswings (hey - issues are chemicals too), and there may be something to learn about how to deal with moodswings. What's a good psychotherapist? Someone you can work with, not necessarily someone you like.
Good luck. |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 23:51:46
I think its hard when people without certain health issues judge what the person with the health issue should do. For example, I dated a guy that was anti-medicine of any kind except bee pollen. This guy thought that could cure everything. Well he kept harping and harping for me to go off my medicine for a health condition... he even hid my medicine and yelled at me for taking it. Anyway after awhile I quit taking it becasue I was too dumb to break up with him and so sick of him nagging me all the time... so what did I do?? I ended being so sick I ended up in the hospital. I think it is one of those things that it's easy to judge but impossible to understand until you walk those shoes. LBF...that is cool that you have a great doctor and you have so much trust for him/her. I know this is a hard time, but I am glad you found a solution that works for you! |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 16:16:31
Take care LBF!
 "Too cool for Cults" |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 16:10:53
I'm sorry if this seems abrasive... but,
Look, I'm not being railroaded into taking the meds. For fucks sake, okay?
It's my fucking choice. I don't want to end up in a fucking mental ward, unaware of my own being, senile etc.
Okay? So I am taking the drugs.
The Specialist I see is one of the best. I'll give you his fucking email if you want to ask him, I'm sure he'd take time out of his life to answer you fucking dispute....
ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please, can we fucking agree to disagree at least.
I am fucked in the head. My brain is broken. If I don't do something to fix it, e.g. take meds, I'll end up in a fucking insitution and no one, including me, will ever see me again, because my creative soul will have vanished.
I shall end up the walking dead if I don't treat this.
I am taking the baby steps. I am willing. I'll swallow the fucking pill. This new drug is supossed to balance my brain waves.
Think of a normal, balance sine wave, okay. The crests and the furrows are evenly balanced. That's a "normal" person. I am abnormal. My crests are so fucking high, and my furrows almost brush against the gates of hell and fire and brimstone....
I want to save myself from going insane.
And I'm fucking scared.
Fuck it.
I am too tired to finish this post. I'll delete it or edit it later...
I'm going to go play my music and then knock the shit out of a golf ball. Okay with you? And before I go to bed tonight, at midnight here EST in the USA, I'll be swallowing a little fucking pill. And I will see what it does.
When I was 17 I got railroaded by my parents to take Resperdol (sp) and Depakote (sp) and I have never been more miserable in my life. It won't happen again.
No one is forcing me to do this. I motherfucking cocksucking TRUST this Doctor, okay?
Fuck the rest of it, you all fucking debate it all you want.
I just want to hang on to the last little shred of sanity I still have. Okay with you?
Sorr-the-fuck-ry if it supporting some fucking evil empire...
I just don't want to hurt like this anymore
Can't you just fucking understand that motherfucker?
I'm so happy that you dpon't fucking have the problems I ahve.... good for you... take that shit and run with it and I hope thaqt it works well for you
I wish the best, for all of you
I'm fucking out
Oh yeah, one last thing. I was adopted in 1976... no medical records worth a shit, they didn't know what they were doing in the 70's, doctors, social workers etc. So I have no idea about my genetic history. Apparently there is a crazy gene in me somewhere. I'm just trying to fix it.
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Pause, deep breath, calm down)
See you later I hope
Peace
Love
Grow a fucking flower
Andy
lbf
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And Floop, I'll tell you later. You and your fucking online bullshit translators can't figure it out for you? See I actually use books. I have nevber and never will use one of those stupid online translator thingy-ma-bob-s not my style.... I do it the old fashioned way... I guess that's why I have a BA in Classics, aye?
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronkenhehehahhahehehaha |
| BLT |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 15:57:12
quote:
Originally posted by floop
do you believe in mental illness?
I'm not sure what the definition of "illness" is these days. I'm certain there are people who are in need of help, I just don't believe that chemicals are a valid way to help mental problems. Therapy should address the issue on a spiritual level. And no, I'm not a Christian. On the other hand, if you consider that a human being is nothing more than a walking bag of chemicals, then maybe the modern Western approach is really for you.
Speaking of mental health... does anyone else find these articles disturbing? It's the most "1984-ish" thing I've seen so far:
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7454/1458
http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=17748 |
| floop |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 14:57:26
quote:
Originally posted by BLT
quote:
Originally posted by ramona
So, you don't believe in a chemical imbalance, BLT?
No I don't.
do you believe in mental illness?
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 14:39:43
I've known one or two people who've been depressed, even manic depressive and it seems like drugs do the trick where self-control or whatever can't.
Kind regards,
Dr. Simon
Specialist In Broken Hearts |
| TarTar |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 14:11:47
Same here, Ramona. Drugs can help. But they can hurt, too. I hated being on drugs in my teens. Ritalin, Silert, Zoloft, Depacote, Luvox, Prozac, between 14 and 18 on was on all of those. Maybe even more.
I think being on so many different drugs really stunted my mental growth. I couldn't find my place for so long and didn't really start noticing things that most others do until so much later. I was really out of it because of those drugs, a totally warped sense of reality. Not like trippy and out there, just detached.
Inna zany combination of Wayne's Pet Youngin'! |
| ramona |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 13:49:44
Well, coming from a family that has a lot of mental illness which was very much helped by drugs (and not HOOKED on them like some back alley drug addicts), I am firmly on the other side of that.
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You`re where you want to be, I`m where I want to be
Caught up chasing everything I`ve ever wanted
I replace you easily, replace pathetically,
I flirt with any flighty thing that falls my way.
But how I needed you, when I needed you.
Let`s not forget we are so strong, so bloody strong.
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| BLT |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 13:41:32
quote:
Originally posted by ramona
So, you don't believe in a chemical imbalance, BLT?
No I don't.
Here are a few links to help explain why I feel this way.
http://members.fortunecity.com/siriusw/Biochemical-Imbalance.htm
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=170037
http://www.cchr.org/doctors/eng/page14.htm |
| chickenwithtwoheads |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 13:25:29
quote:
Originally posted by floop
by the way, what does your new signature mean?
I was wondering that too... 
What does it mean, Andy?
I'm bored with the valleys and bored by the peaks. So I bought a ticket to the Pixies |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 13:24:00
and everyone knows the drug companies are bad, I included? Why do you think I work as a temp in a hospital rather than a company like GSK where my degree would be used and I would be paid a fuck of a lot more than I'm getting? Because the companies are soulsuckingevilsonsofbitches but name me one major company without skeletons in it's closet I'll give you a hundred who are evil and tell you why.
Drug dependency isn't a given, not a bit, sometimes drugs act as a jump board to a better (maybe a drug free) life, are you telling me also you don't take a paracetamol when you have a headache?
I don't think you can be so dismissive, I think for some people the other ways don't work
sorry.... rant rant rant
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| n/a |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 13:10:48
Everyone diagnosed wants to not take the drugs, taking the drugs has a pile of stigma attached. But it can be the first step in realising there is a problem which is initially depressing beyond belief, the realisation you've gotten to such a state they're saying you have to take pills to help. It is easy to ignore and once you just accept it it leaves you feeling initially in a worse state then you thought you were in before, as I'm sure LBF can understand. It can be kicked against and belittled by others and it's horrible and when you first realise that you can't do it by yourself and you have to take those damned drugs it feels like a fucking defeat, they don't work straight away but they do over time, and sometimes they act as the kick start to sorting yourself out, the kick in the arse and motivation you need to make every day important and good just so you can stop taking these fucking drugs. I'm glad for people who don't need them, they are lucky *lucky* people. But one of the troubles with these disorders is the lack of energy and motivation to deal with the issues in the world and in your head, these drugs can balance you out, squeegee your third eye and let you see what needs to be done. It doesn't work for everyone, sometimes it goes wrong but it's better to try than to ignore the help offered you and enter that steady downhill spiral of ruining your life. The drugs are a helping hand and people should be gratefull for them, one of the most refreshing thing to hear when you are so low is to have someone say yes you are fucked up no your not being silly let me help.
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| ramona |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 13:09:19
So, you don't believe in a chemical imbalance, BLT?
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You`re where you want to be, I`m where I want to be
Caught up chasing everything I`ve ever wanted
I replace you easily, replace pathetically,
I flirt with any flighty thing that falls my way.
But how I needed you, when I needed you.
Let`s not forget we are so strong, so bloody strong.
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| darwin |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 12:59:57
quote:
Originally posted by BLT
quote:
Originally posted by floop
BLT, would you consider meds worthwhile if they prevent people from taking their own lives?
No.
That seems overly harsh and too broad. I understand the distrust of the medical/pharmaceutical industry, but there are real circumstances where chemical treatment can improve people's lives. You might think that diagnoses have skyrocketed and that it's to make some rich, but in the past some of people that are now being treated with chemicals were locked away. I don't think we have the training or information to judge what LBF should do. |
| floop |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 12:55:04
uh, ok.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| BLT |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 12:52:59
quote:
Originally posted by floop
BLT, would you consider meds worthwhile if they prevent people from taking their own lives?
No.
==edit==
I should probably add to the one-word answer. It's not that I want people to be committing suicide, but there are other methods of helping them than making them dependant on drugs. |
| floop |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 12:24:06
by the way, what does your new signature mean?
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 12:22:49
Hang in there LBF... I think anytime anyone gets diagnosed with a major illness or hears bad news it's a shock. It will get better... |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 12:17:38
Again, thanks everyone... I know this isn't http://forum.frankblack.net/post.asp?method=Reply&TOPIC_ID=9097&FORUM_ID=9fb.net/doctor'sfuckingadvice
but we are all friends (for the most part)
And I feel like a f**ktard for even talking about this...
I about to cry...
Sorry
I can't finish this post right now...
I'm too sad
I'm sorry I ever started this, but I LOVE it. And hate it.
I'm sorry you have to f&^king deal with my f**cking bullshit
I hate myself enough for being a peice of sh&t but f()k it]
again
Thank you ALL
It helps to read this sh8t
peace
love
grow a flower
lbf
p.s.
(Take the Elk fat drippings and add a bit of rue to them... rue is 1 part butter, 1 part flour. Make sure you cook your rue until it doesn't taste like flour anymore. There are 3 basic rues. A blonde or brown would be great for Elk. So take you fat, rue it, add appropriate ammount of water, and simmer (little bubbles) for 45 minutes. Should make a great "Sauce" to present your Tenderloin. Good luck in the kitchen f**ckers... =) )
again
thank you all for everything you have ever done...
I'm so fuhcking sorry I'm so sick =(
ok?
bye
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronkenhehehahhahehehaha |
| floop |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 11:53:10
BLT, would you consider meds worthwhile if they prevent people from taking their own lives? (not talking about LBF's case here, but just meds in general) i've noticed quite a few anti-meds statements from you. which, i actually agree with.. i think meds are prescribed WAY too much. but i think they also work (mereubu's sister for instance)..
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| BLT |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 11:47:00
If for nothing else, take the meds so your psych can afford his boat payments. |
| SpudBoy |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 11:20:08
If you trust the guy, then take the meds. Don't lose your weird, though. Too many goddamned drones these days as it is. By the way, you have skillz too - that elk tenderloin reciepe rocked!! I added a deglaze of the meat drippins in the pan (cooked filet mignon style w/bacon) with shiraz and sauteed morels in it to use as a secondary sauce. Use your mad genius to change the world.
*festoon* |
| offerw |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 09:38:01
LBF, hang in there. Take your meds and listen to the good advice of your friends here.
wilhelm |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 08:40:58
Spud boy... the one thing I agree with is that we have to stop thinking in terms of labels about everything: racial, gender and disibility lables (mental, physical and learning). It took me awhile but I stopped thinking of my self in terms of society's labels...I just see myself as me and see others as their unique selves. labels=bad 
LBF, your brain isn't broken...in many ways it works way better than the average person's... you just have a chemical imballance like a diabetic. |
| mereubu |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 08:29:14
Hey LBF, that's some heavy news. It's scary to have a diagnosis laid on you. My little sister is bi-polar and for about a year was completely psychotic. Once they got her on the right meds (she was on anti-d's, which make bi-polar folks, you guessed it, psychotic) she was back to the sweet girl we knew long ago. Hope it works out well for you. Hang in there, darlin. Everybody's brain's a little broken. |
| TarTar |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 22:52:13
Wow. We have lots of crazy fucks around here. No wonder I feel so at home here.
Inna zany combination of Wayne's Pet Youngin'! |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 22:18:48
I trust my specialist, even if he is a Doctor. He says, as said above, w/o treatment I shall be certifiably Insane and in a state of Demntia within 4 years roughly... I'm taking the f**cking drugs...
Not to say I don't appreciate your thoughts Spudboy, because I do, and I agree whole-little-heartedly... =)
But I am afraid.
Look! People. Friends. et cetera...
I am sorry that my brain has broken...
I am more sorry than you will ever know.
Peace.
lbf (andy)
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronkenhehehahhahehehaha |
| SpudBoy |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 21:01:48
Caveat - I do not know the particulars of your situation, this a very general rant about me and some of my friends.
Man, we're all nuts here anyway. I echo the positive remarks and well wishes above, but will also add that I am paranoid as hell about the grip the pharmaceutical companies have on this culture. I have known many, many people uselessly diagnosed with things like ODD, ADD, Bipolar, borderline schizophrenic, etc. when they were just depressed, stressed, or going through a period of dramatic change. I have known *very* few that really needed the medicine over the long term, although with a few more than that the medication helped get them through the rough patch. Under extraordinary circumstances, these feelings are very normal and go away on their own. I am not a doctor, but I am also not paid by the drug companies to prescribe you anything. The biggest risk is labelling yourself with one of these conditions, and redirecting your behaviors to fit that mold. Know yourself and be well.
EDIT: Preface
*festoon* |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 20:54:51
Here's some more:
http://www.eas.wayne.edu/fam_people.html
http://www.adhdrelief.com/Bipolar.html
http://www.pendulum.org/information/information_famous_family.html
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