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| Monsieur |
Posted - 07/25/2004 : 13:22:19
About 6 months ago, I posted something about milk and many people told me how milk was bad for your health etc.
Well, I gorge myself on milk every day and I'm still alive.
I suspect you work for those nasty American soja producers. |
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| n/a |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 11:10:41
30 calories a shot or so I've been led to believe....
Which is less than a dairy milk
A masked man enters a bank with a sawn off shotgun and points it at the woman behind the counter
"Open the safe now, Bitch" The man screams at the woman
"But Sir!" She gasps "This is a sperm bank, there's no money in the safe"
"Just open the fucking safe" the man insists
She opens the safe revealing lines upon lines of neatly stacked full sample bottles
"Take the lid off that bottle and swallow it" yells the man
She does as she is told
"and the next one" swallow "and the next"
This goes on for ten samples when the man whisks off his mask and to the ladys surprise it's her husband
"Kev!" she exclaims!
"see" says Kev "It's not that fucking difficult is it?"
ba da dum tshh
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| GypsyDeath |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 03:52:13
Lots of calories too. Never tastes the smae twice, either...
Anyway, Crouton, the little mred dots, yep, that is what I get.
Also, yes, ive tried the Oy! shakes. Alright, when youre craving for it, but meh. Cant beat the real thing.
I had a glass of milk yesterday. im so naughty.
I drink and smoke
Until I choke
Until I'm broke
Cos' I want too |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/30/2004 : 03:32:05
full of protein, no good whatsoever for osteoperosis
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/29/2004 : 12:46:02
What about man milk?
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| Frog in the Sand |
Posted - 07/29/2004 : 00:53:00
Why dairy products won't help you maintain healthy bones
from http://www.milksucks.com/osteo.html
Building strong bones and keeping them that way is easier than you may have thought.
This Web page focuses on debunking a myth sold to the American public by a multibillion-dollar industry—an industry that has repeated its marketing message so often and for so long that most people now believe that dairy products are essential to bone health, despite extensive evidence to the contrary. The dairy industry has an army of dietitians, public relations consultants, and lobbyists on its payroll but does not have the evidence on its side.
The dairy pushers pay dietitians, doctors, and researchers to endorse dairy products, spending more than $300 million annually, just at the national level, to retain a market for their products. The dairy industry provides free teaching materials to schools and pays sports stars, celebrities, and politicians to push an agenda based on profit, not public health. Dr. Walter Willett, veteran nutrition researcher at the Harvard School of Public Health, says that calcium consumption via dairy-product intake "has become like a religious crusade," overshadowing true preventive measures such as physical exercise. To hear the dairy industry tell it, if you consume three glasses of milk daily, your bones will be stronger and you will be able to rest assured that osteoporosis is not in your future. Not so.
After examining all the available nutritional studies and evidence, Dr. John McDougall concludes: "The primary cause of osteoporosis is the highprotein diet most Americans consume today. As one leading researcher in this area said, 'eating a high-protein diet is like pouring acid rain on your bones.'" Remarkably enough, both clinical and population studies show that milk-drinkers tend to have more bone breaks than people who consume milk infrequently or not at all. For the dairy industry to lull unsuspecting women and children into complacency by telling them to be sure to drink more milk so that their bones will be strong may make good business sense, but it does the consumer a grave disservice.
Much of the world's population does not consume cow's milk, and yet most of the world does not experience the high rates of osteoporosis found in the West. In some Asian countries, for example, where consumption of dairy foods is low, fracture rates are far lower than they are in the United States and in Scandinavian countries, where consumption of dairy products is high.
While reading this, please remember that dairy products contain no complex carbohydrates or fiber but are packed with saturated fats and cholesterol and have been linked to heart disease, cancer, Crohn's disease, and a host of childhood illnesses from asthma to diabetes.
But don't take our word for it — examine the science for yourself.
In one study, funded by the National Dairy Council, a group of postmenopausal women were given three 8-ounce glasses of skim milk every day for two years, and their bones were compared to those of a control group of women not given the milk. The dairy group consumed 1,400 mg of calcium per day and lost bone at twice the rate of the control group. According to the researchers, "this may have been due to the average 30 percent increase in protein intake during milk supplementation. ... The adverse effect of increases in protein intake on calcium balance has been reported from several laboratories, including our own" (they then cite 10 other studies). Says McDougall, "Needless to say, this finding did not reach the six o'clock news." This is one study that the dairy industry won't be repeating any time soon.
After looking at 34 published studies in 16 countries, researchers at Yale University found that the countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis—including the United States, Sweden, and Finland—were those in which people consumed the most meat, milk, and other animal foods. This study also showed that African-Americans, who consume, on average, more than 1,000 mg of calcium per day, are nine times more likely to experience hip fractures than are South African blacks, whose daily calcium intake is only about 196 mg. Says McDougall, "On a nation-by-nation basis, people who consume the most calcium have the weakest bones and the highest rates of osteoporosis. ... Only in those places where calcium and protein are eaten in relatively high quantities does a deficiency of bone calcium exist, due to an excess of animal protein."
Harvard University's landmark Nurses Health Study, which followed 78,000 women over a 12-year period, found that the women who consumed the most calcium from dairy foods broke more bones than those who rarely drank milk. Summarizing this study, the Lunar Osteoporosis Update (November 1997) explained: "This increased risk of hip fracture was associated with dairy calcium. ... If this were any agent other than milk, which has been so aggressively marketed by dairy interests, it undoubtedly would be considered a major risk factor."
A National Institutes of Health study at the University of California, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2001), found that "women who ate most of their protein from animal sources had three times the rate of bone loss and 3.7 times the rate of hip fractures as women who ate most of their protein from vegetable sources." Even though the researchers adjusted "for everything we could think of that might otherwise explain the relationship ... it didn't change the results." The study's conclusion: "[A]n increase in vegetable protein intake and a decrease in animal protein intake may decrease bone loss and the risk of hip fracture."
Another study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2000) looked at all aspects of diet and bone health and found that high consumption of fruits and vegetables positively affected bone health and that dairy consumption did not. Such findings do not surprise nutritional researchers: The calcium absorption rate from milk is approximately 30 percent, while figures for broccoli, Brussels sprouts, mustard greens, turnip greens, kale, and some other green leafy vegetables range from 40 percent to 64 percent.
After reviewing studies on the link between protein intake and urinary calcium loss, dairy industry researcher Dr. Robert P. Heaney found that as consumption of protein increases, so does the amount of calcium lost in the urine (Journal of the American Dietetic Association, 1993): "This effect has been documented in several different study designs for more than 70 years," he writes, adding, "The net effect is such that, if protein intake is doubled without changing intake of other nutrients, urinary calcium content increases by about 50 percent."
Researchers from the University of Sydney and Westmead Hospital discovered that consumption of dairy foods, especially early in life, is associated with increased risk of hip fractures in old age (American Journal of Epidemiology, 1994).
In Pediatrics (2000), published by the American Academy of Pediatrics, Pennsylvania State University researchers showed that calcium intake, which ranged from 500 to 1,500 mg per day, had no lasting effect on the bone health of girls in their teens. "We (had) hypothesized that increased calcium intake would result in better adolescent bone gain. Needless to say, we were surprised to find our hypothesis refuted," one researcher explained.
Finally, a review of all research conducted since 1985, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2000), concluded: "If dairy food intakes confer bone health, one might expect this to have been apparent from the 57 outcomes, which included randomized, controlled trials and longitudinal cohort studies involving 645,000 person-years." The researchers go on to lament that "there have been few carefully designed studies of the effects of dairy foods on bone health" and then to conclude that "the body of scientific evidence appears inadequate to support a recommendation for daily intake of dairy foods to promote bone health in the general U.S. population."
What we do know is that osteoporosis rates decline markedly as body weight, exercise, and caloric intake rise. Corroborating the researchers' concerns about poorly controlled studies, only three studies have factored caloric intake into the analysis. Two of these studies found no correlation between dairy intake and osteoporosis, but the other found a positive link; that is, the more milk, the higher the fracture risk (Harvard Nurses Study, above). The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2000) study cited above argued that since it's clear that total caloric intake and body weight are positively associated with bone mass, such factors are "particularly important" in any study of osteoporosis and bone mass.
Is the dairy industry ignoring these factors by design in its clinical studies, perhaps because dairy-product consumers tend to be heavier and have a higher caloric intake than those consuming fewer (or no) dairy products? Despite the fact that so many dairy researchers ignore this information, most studies still show no correlation between cow"s milk consumption and a lower risk for osteoporosis, and some actually indicate that milk is associated with an increased risk. Perhaps if these factors were taken into account, the studies indicating no link would instead show, in fact, that dairy-product intake is linked to an increased risk of osteoporosis, as does the Harvard School of Public Health study. That would bring clinical analysis in line with the population analysis, which clearly states that increased dairy-product consumption is linked to increased risk for osteoporosis.
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| n/a |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 14:13:44
I've done a sick in my mouth
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| BLT |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 13:42:37
Found it:
With Jim Carrey and all, I guess the law of averages was decidedly against Canada when Tom Green came along. |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 12:36:38
I don't like milk. I used to. I go through phases.
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| n/a |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 12:31:55
thats exactly what i'm saying. I've seen south park, I know the heads of canadians are hinged and flappy. And saddam husseins a canadian, south park told me. ( )
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 12:30:19
Everytime I see this topic, I always get that lyric from the Unicorns in my head:
I lift weights, but I don't sweat
I drink milk, but I'm not dead
I don't care a... etc...
 "When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 12:22:27
What are you saying "Canadians are not humans". Grrrrrrr.
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| n/a |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 12:19:28
I'd say almost definately no, if he's a human then I want out
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 11:58:50
I don't think Tom Green qualifies as "human".
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| darwin |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 11:56:37
quote:
Originally posted by BLT
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
What! No comments? Those are rats nursing off of a dog! Does nothing shock you people?
Where are the photos of a human sucking milk straight from a cow teat?
I saw Tom Green do that on his show. Pretty disturbing. |
| BLT |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 11:55:20
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
What! No comments? Those are rats nursing off of a dog! Does nothing shock you people?
Mammals will be mammals.
Where are the photos of a human sucking milk straight from a cow teat? |
| darwin |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 11:06:15
What! No comments? Those are rats nursing off of a dog! Does nothing shock you people? |
| darwin |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 22:55:52
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Besides, it's ridiclous being the only species on the planet that consumes the milk from another species, AND after the age of weening.
It's a crazy mixed up world we live in.
wolf on cat
tiger on dog
rats on dog
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| floop |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 22:39:59
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
In my opinion, this is fitting and symptomatic of certain big, immature countries running the world..they have yet to be weaned.
ga ga. me want milk.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 22:36:36
It's funny how Nimrod is ignored...
He's completely right tho, and most nutritionists and dieticians will mirror his claim - leafy greens are a much better source of calcium, and with none of the fat. (Internationally, the countries that consume the most dairy are the ones with the highest rates of osteoporosis - Canada, USA, etc.. Countries where consumption is little-to-none, like China and Japan osteoporosis is virtually unknown.) Of course excercise plays a part, but it's pretty clear that dairy as the main source of calcium is not a good idea.
Another important consideration with milk is its 'purpose'. We all know that babies should be breastfed, right? And why is that? To pass on hormones and other growth factors.
Same thing goes with other mammals' milks. It's a hormonal delivery system. The calcium buffers the acid in your stomach when you drink it, and allows the hormones to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream.
So when you drink milk, you're loading your body down with growth hormones...and if you happen to have a few cancerous cells in your body, these hormones are gonna do their thing, and make your cells GROW. Obesity and cancer abound..
Besides, it's ridiclous being the only species on the planet that consumes the milk from another species, AND after the age of weening.
In my opinion, this is fitting and symptomatic of certain big, immature countries running the world..they have yet to be weaned.
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| Hatchetman |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 17:15:25
quote:
Originally posted by betty
liar! (regarding the initial assecrtion)
something funny to try next time you in a conversation... as the other person has innocently made some assertion, look at them deadpan and say, "liar." with quiet venom. it throws people, only for a few seconds if they know you at all. i just love mental derailing!
I like that idea. I often ask people 'what are you trying to say?' in the middle of a conversation, just for the hell of it.
Ade |
| betty |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 21:36:12
liar! (regarding the initial assecrtion)
something funny to try next time you in a conversation... as the other person has innocently made some assertion, look at them deadpan and say, "liar." with quiet venom. it throws people, only for a few seconds if they know you at all. i just love mental derailing!
secondly, i'm not at all sure ants don't rule the earth.
love,
betty
betty |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 16:09:54
The world is full of pus and shit. Who cares? |
| misleadtheworld |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 15:41:32
quote:
Originally posted by gracie
I do remember that thread though, that milk was actually full of cow pus and shit which did gross me out but didn't stop me drinking it.
I don't remember that part! 
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 15:36:28
Wow, punk rock dairy produce: 'Oy!' Milkshakes. As endorsed by Sham 69 and the Cockney Rejects.
Kind regards,
Dr. Simon
Specialist In Broken Hearts |
| ShakeyShake |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 14:13:15
quote:
Originally posted by GypsyDeath
I recently found out im allegic to milk, Nothing major happens, i just get these funny rash things on my arms, and so I have to drink soya milk now.
Theres only one brand ofn soya i liek though, and we rarely have that one. I miss milk. Im making sure no one realises that my rashes come up when i eat chocolate/yogurt/cheese...I cant go with any dairy! ill die i tell you! die!!!!
Just thought I'd throw that in there...
Have you ever had "Oy!" brand milkshake?My ex girlfriend was a vegan and she swore by the stuff.I thought it tasted like wee
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| shineoftheever |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 13:58:33
I love the sweet dairy goodness. I drink Skim Milk, I used to drink about 1.5 - 2 litres a day which was way too much, I think I developed an intolerance to the stuff because I got/get wicked gas in the last year and a half or so if I drank/drink too much milk. I still drink it, but in moderation.
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 12:19:31
Milk is truly delicious, as are most dairy products.
Go cows!
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| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 10:17:43
I drink rice milk--much better than store-bought soy milk in my opinion. However, nothing compares to fresh, homemade soy milk.
¡Viva los Católicos! |
| BLT |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 10:11:38
I drink soy milk and I'm alive. No animal milk please.
I'm not much for dairy products but ice cream is a definite weakness of mine. Gotta have at least a little of it. |
| gracie |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 09:34:52
I love milk and all related products, cheese etc.
I do remember that thread though, that milk was actually full of cow pus and shit which did gross me out but didn't stop me drinking it. |
| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 09:27:11
quote:
Originally posted by GypsyDeath
I recently found out im allegic to milk, Nothing major happens, i just get these funny rash things on my arms, and so I have to drink soya milk now.
Theres only one brand ofn soya i liek though, and we rarely have that one. I miss milk. Im making sure no one realises that my rashes come up when i eat chocolate/yogurt/cheese...I cant go with any dairy! ill die i tell you! die!!!!
Just thought I'd throw that in there...
Huh, interesting. I was told I was deathly allergic to milk and that I'd go into anaphylactic shock if I drank any. I had to drink shitty soy milk for about month and then I said, "Fuck it." and drank some. I actually felt great, haha. I get rashes on my arms from allergies too. Kinda little red tiny dots? I'd break out whenever I went swimming because of the chlorine and mold/pollen gets me a lot too.
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| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 09:16:53
quote:
Originally posted by ramona
At least I have strong bones.
Actually, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the calcium in milk is practically useless. Actually, drinking too much milk can actually contribute to osteoporosis. The reason being the protein in milk. Protein causes your body to excrete more calcium in urine and what-not (which is why excessive protein can cause kidney stones, which from personal experience I can tell you are NOT FUN), and therefore by eating a lot of protein (or in this case "drinking") you lose calcium. The most useable kind of calcium is found in leafy green vegetables; even though they don't contain a lot of calcium, almost all of it is usable so they are one of the best sources for calcium.
So, to sum it all up, a lot of people have the misconception that osteoporosis is caused by a calcium deficiency, which technically it is, but the main contributing factor for osteoperosis is actually an overabundance of protein in the diet.
¡Viva los Católicos! |
| GypsyDeath |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 07:29:25
I recently found out im allegic to milk, Nothing major happens, i just get these funny rash things on my arms, and so I have to drink soya milk now.
Theres only one brand ofn soya i liek though, and we rarely have that one. I miss milk. Im making sure no one realises that my rashes come up when i eat chocolate/yogurt/cheese...I cant go with any dairy! ill die i tell you! die!!!!
Just thought I'd throw that in there... |
| ramona |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 07:12:12
quote:
Originally posted by Monsieur
I never broke any of my bones. Because I'm careful and lucky, not because I drink milk.
I didn't mean my bones were unbreakable when I said "strong bones" - mostly I was referencing calcium which women need a lot of. Osteoporosis and all that.
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| Monsieur |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 04:59:12
The French connection is back, as I can see.
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