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| Erebus |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 08:49:26
Clinton Aide Investigated on Terror Memos
July 20, 2004
By JOHN SOLOMON
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&u=/ap/20040720/ap_on_re_us/sept__11_berger_probe&printer=1
WASHINGTON (AP) - Sandy Berger, former President Clinton (news - web sites)'s national security adviser, is under criminal investigation by the Justice Department (news - web sites) after highly classified terrorism documents disappeared while he was reviewing what should be turned over to the Sept. 11 commission.
Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI (news - web sites) agents armed with warrants after the former Clinton adviser voluntarily returned some sensitive documents to the National Archives and admitted he also removed handwritten notes he had made while reviewing the sensitive documents.
However, some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing, officials and lawyers told The Associated Press.
Al Felzenberg, spokesman for the Sept. 11 commission, said Tuesday the Berger investigation will not impact the panel's work in any way. The 10-member bipartisan panel releases its final report on Thursday.
"This is a matter between the government and an individual," he said. "They were not our documents, and we believe we have access to all the materials we need to see to do our report."
Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket and pants, and also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio.
"I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced," Berger said in a statement to the AP. [snip, link to read further]
Notice the Clintonista "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" construction of: "every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced"
So what about the incriminating documents the commission hasn't "requested"? What, Mr. Berger, are you hiding that the commission doesn't yet realize would incriminate your lying, stealing, Dem ass? Once again invoking that decade old question: Who would hang out in the gutter with a rats like the Clintons? Answer: Only other rats.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 22:12:27
True.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 19:43:18
Everyone knows Mad Dawg is a douchebag.
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| VoVat |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 19:42:07
quote:
No one has said, "The United States is the best country on the fucking planet! No other country matters at all."
Didn't Mad Dawg say something of that sort?
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| SpudBoy |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 16:32:09
Wow - Morrissey accused someone else of being humorless? That's fucking harsh.
edit: spelling
*festoon* |
| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 16:13:02
quote:
Originally posted by Tre
It doesn't matter what side of this political fence you guys are siting on, or what propaganda machine you quote, I still won't fucking care because it's the same damned story everytime, they break their promises they fuck you over they force their own personal beliefs onto you. It's fucking great how democracy lets you pick your dictator for a term. The political threads can be very interesting I'm sure but is there need for a hundred of them each quoting another bit of biased propaganda laced bullshit supporting what you and your party think this week? Your American politics both tire and bore me and I find myself having to take an interest in them, praying to whoever, that you guys pick someone less worrying than you did last time, because our current PM seems to be one master cock sucker. And where big brother goes we are dragged along. And it's great I can say that too without having to stress about some covert agency coming to put a fucking blanket over my head. America is not the fucking world, it's your world, get over it. Got to go, the thought police are banging on my door....
Frank Black ate my Hamster
Huh?
No one is forcing you to read or remotely give a shit about this stuff. I mean, yeah, there have been an excessive amount of political threads...but it doesn't mean you have to even give them a second glance. I think it's healthy that people are talking about it and getting things out of their system about their country's flaws. No one has said, "The United States is the best country on the fucking planet! No other country matters at all." If anyone has...well, they're douchebags. 
There have been political threads about Canada, about France, and I'm sure somewhere along the line about England. Every country's politics are bullshit. Aren't you glad that we actually care and that most of us want this country shaved from the waist down? (No more bush. *bu dum ching!*)
I guess I just don't understand your anger towards, what it seems, the Americans of the forum. And I'm rambling and rambling and I'll stop now.  haha..
Ah, and here's a song you'd like:
Morrissey - America is not the World
America / your head’s too big / because
America / your belly’s too big
and I love you
I just wish you’d stay where you is / in
America / the land of the Free, they said
and of opportunity
in a Just / and a Truthful way
but where the President is never black
or female or gay / and until that day
you’ve got nothing to say to me
to help me believe / in
America / it brought you the hamburger
well America / you know where
you can shove your hamburger?
and don’t you wonder
why in Estonia / they say “hey you, /
you big fat pig” / “you fat pig” / “you fat pig”
Steely-blue eyes / with no love in them
scan the world
and a humourless smile
with no warmth within
greets the world
and I / I have got nothing / to offer you
just this heart deep and true
which you say you don’t need
- see with your eyes / touch with your hands
- please
- hear through your ears / know in your soul
- please
for haven’t you me with you now?
and I love you / I love you / I love you
I love you / I love you / I love you
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic |
| TameReg |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 15:43:38
Erebus, I say keep posting all you want. And people who disagree with you should post all they want too. It's interesting to have opposing points of view on here. People should be able to discuss politics without all the personal insults flying around. It's amazing how politics inspires such hatred of the other party. And people should stop thinking that they are on the "intelligent" side. People form their political opinions with their emotions, and then defend their position with their intellects. It seems obvious that there are brillant people on both sides, and morons on both sides too. I can't say anything I've read here has made any great changes in my opinions, but perhaps have they made some small changes in how I look at things, which is good. If we want to be intellectually honest with ourselves, we need to examine and reexamine our beliefs constantly. Because once we stop doing that, we stop growing. (I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm preaching. I'd just like to see more political discussion and less bad-mouthing here.) |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 14:39:07
It doesn't matter what side of this political fence you guys are siting on, or what propaganda machine you quote, I still won't fucking care because it's the same damned story everytime, they break their promises they fuck you over they force their own personal beliefs onto you. It's fucking great how democracy lets you pick your dictator for a term. The political threads can be very interesting I'm sure but is there need for a hundred of them each quoting another bit of biased propaganda laced bullshit supporting what you and your party think this week? Your American politics both tire and bore me and I find myself having to take an interest in them, praying to whoever, that you guys pick someone less worrying than you did last time, because our current PM seems to be one master cock sucker. And where big brother goes we are dragged along. And it's great I can say that too without having to stress about some covert agency coming to put a fucking blanket over my head. America is not the fucking world, it's your world, get over it. Got to go, the thought police are banging on my door....
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 08:14:56
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
As you know I enjoy the political topics and make an effort to comport myself in a reasonably respectful manner, despite typically being against the flow around here. I realize I do throw in a jab once in a while but hardly as much as are thrown in the opposite direction.
i hate to break it to you but when you think you're being civillized and respectful you are being incredibly childish.
my replies to you come from the stupidity that is contained in your original posts. if you were really being civillized, mature and respectful in your posts i wouldn't reply at all i'd just ignore you. but you are being a typical rush limbaugh loving retard and posting childish, often naive, bullshit.
i repeat, take your bullshit elsewhere. it is unwanted. this is not the place for it. it is a waste of everyone's time. you aren't going to convince anyone of your point of view.
there are plenty more appropriate places for you to take this shit. why do you have to keep cluttering up fb.net's general chat with it? the discussion has been done. the lack of responses should tell you nobody's interested in what you have to say.
edit: actually i should say what the right-wing morons you quote have to say because that's all you do. you can't even be buggered to write something of your own. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 16:11:38
quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
erebus you seriously need to stop posting this crap. i am really, really sick of it. take it to somewhere it will be appreciated.
Ebb - Despite my resolve to let you pass without acknowledgement, I feel you have left me no choice but to respond.
As you know I enjoy the political topics and make an effort to comport myself in a reasonably respectful manner, despite typically being against the flow around here. I realize I do throw in a jab once in a while but hardly as much as are thrown in the opposite direction.
That said, I resent your repeated insistance that I stop making the types of posts that I do. Disagree if you must, but please refrain from the general abuse and the suggestions that I go somewhere else. As a citizen of this forum I try to fulfill my duties regarding behavior and therefore expect repect for both my right to post and my right to be free from foul-mouthed abuse. |
| ShakeyShake |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 14:19:27
Politics are great.You know what else is great?The colour green.Not my favourite colour but 'tis still cool.Lots of green coloured stuff about.Like grass,trees,bushes,the back of trompe le monde has a green border too.Fab.
"I joined the Cult of this guy / 'cause they took my other picture away |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 13:18:54
wow! that's so hilarious!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAH I AM LITTERALLY LAUGHING UNTIL MY BRAIN FALLS OUT OF MY HEAD!! OH MY GOD IT IS SO FUNNY!! HAHAHA IT IS THE GREATEST PARODY SINCE "AMISH PARADISE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
erebus you seriously need to stop posting this crap. i am really, really sick of it. take it to somewhere it will be appreciated. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 07/26/2004 : 12:54:41
Berger Returns U.S. Constitution to Archives
(2004-07-21) -- Former Clinton national security advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger today returned the orginal copy of the U.S. Constitution to the National Archives.
"It was an honest mistake," said Mr. Berger, who until this morning was an advisor to Democrat presidential hopeful John Forbes Kerry. "I accidentally wrapped the Constitution around my left leg and mistakenly secured it with rubber bands."
A spokesman for the National Archives said he was pleased to have the Constitution back.
"Until Mr. Berger returned it," said the source, "our prime suspects were all in the federal judiciary."
http://scrappleface.com/
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| VoVat |
Posted - 07/22/2004 : 22:24:31
Sand...wiches?
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| martha_promise |
Posted - 07/22/2004 : 17:22:56
Mmm...sand,y...
~~I love the north part, I love your marble ear~~ |
| VoVat |
Posted - 07/22/2004 : 17:21:24
Mmm...burger...
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 07/22/2004 : 07:15:30
You guys are hopeless. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 07/22/2004 : 06:20:57
Fuck this. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 07/22/2004 : 05:45:45
ya know what? |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/21/2004 : 23:26:06
quote:
Originally posted by Dallas
Its rare that someone is categorically proven to be a liar
in washington? AHHAAHAHaHAHahAHahaHahAHahahahahaAHAHahah
shut the fuck up you imbecile. |
| Mroocore |
Posted - 07/21/2004 : 14:20:21
no video.
officials w/ the authorization to obtain these files are trust worthy.
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| Dallas |
Posted - 07/21/2004 : 09:24:22
Wilson is absolutely on Kerrys campaign. Kerry also PAYS for Wilsons 'Truth' website.
Its rare that someone is categorically proven to be a liar the way Wilson has been. Talk about red-handed.
I can only hope there is video of Berger stuffing documents in his pants and socks. |
| darwin |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 18:15:19
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
FYI, Berger, thief of classified national security documents,
COPIES of classified documents. Not the originals
quote:
Joe Wilson, another Kerry campaign advisor,
I don't think Wilson is involved with the Kerry campaign.
quote:
The more divided this country gets, the brighter the future looks.
Read the polls from Florida and Ohio lately. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 17:08:55
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
FYI, Berger, thief of classified national security documents, was Kerry's national security advisor until he resigned today. Joe Wilson, another Kerry campaign advisor, has been all over the news the last two weeks for lying about a lack of Iraq-Africa uranium connection (see forum threads from last November).
Secondly, fuck Ronstadt. The moron probably sees this as a positive career move. She and Moore deserve on another, and the Bush haters deserve to throw their money at both of them. The more divided this country gets, the brighter the future looks.
FYI, you're a retard. |
| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 17:08:20
quote:
Originally posted by Dallas
Ahhh, the intelligentsia has arrived...
fuck you. |
| El Barto |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 16:59:14
Erebus, congrats. If I had the time or the will, I could dig up equal amounts of dirt on each bloodsucking piece of shit on Bush's cabinet. What's your point?
We've seen Bush distroy the world...we have yet to see Kerry do anything.
We have 4 years of proof of how shitty of a president/human being Bush is.
What more can you ask for?
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 14:59:37
FYI, Berger, thief of classified national security documents, was Kerry's national security advisor until he resigned today. Joe Wilson, another Kerry campaign advisor, has been all over the news the last two weeks for lying about a lack of Iraq-Africa uranium connection (see forum threads from last November).
Secondly, fuck Ronstadt. The moron probably sees this as a positive career move. She and Moore deserve on another, and the Bush haters deserve to throw their money at both of them. The more divided this country gets, the brighter the future looks. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 14:09:59
Here's a slightly different take:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/drudged/517195568.html
and another
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0719-10.htm
and yet another - the final one maybe.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Jul-20-Tue-2004/news/24348468.html
History tailgates. |
| Dallas |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 14:00:48
There has to be video of this Ronstadt thing. I'm curious what really happened. I have a hard time believing that the type of statements she reportedly made would incite the vegas lounge crowd to that extent. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 13:56:18
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Vegas is full of a bunch of closed-head injury sufferers. Erebus, Dallas, ever been to Vegas?
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/ap20040719_2308.html
Casino Boots Ronstadt for Praising Moore
Las Vegas Casino Boots Linda Ronstadt After She Praises Michael Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
The Associated Press
LAS VEGAS July 19, 2004 — Singer Linda Ronstadt not only got booed, she got the boot after praising filmmaker Michael Moore and his new movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" during a performance.
Before singing "Desperado" for an encore Saturday night, Ronstadt called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged the audience at the Aladdin hotel-casino to see the documentary about President Bush.
Ronstadt's comments drew loud boos, and some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down concert posters and tossed cocktails into the air.
"It was a very ugly scene," Aladdin President Bill Timmins told The Associated Press. "She praised him and all of a sudden all bedlam broke loose."
Timmins, who is British and was watching the show, said he didn't allow Ronstadt back in her luxury suite afterward and she was escorted off the property.
Ronstadt's antics "spoiled a wonderful evening for our guests and we had to do something about it," Timmins said.
Ronstadt, 58, had been booked to play the Aladdin for only one show.
On Monday, Moore released a letter to The Associated Press that he intends to send to Timmins.
"For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American," Moore wrote.
Calls to Ronstadt's manager were not immediately returned.
In an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal before the show, Ronstadt said, "I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back."
Timmins said Ronstadt would not sing at the Aladdin again: "As long as I'm here, she's not going to play."
Moore said Timmins owes Ronstadt an apology.
"I have an idea how you can make it up to her and to the millions of Americans you have offended," Moore wrote. "Invite her back and I'll join her in singing 'America the Beautiful' on your stage. Then I will show 'Fahrenheit 9/11' free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it."
History tailgates. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 13:52:41
Yeah - me too. Sorry about the Linda Ronstadt post. Maybe I'll move it over here.
History tailgates. |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 13:39:26
I think we need a political america sub section somewhere......
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| Dallas |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 13:31:56
Ahhh, the intelligentsia has arrived...
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| Ebb Vicious |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 13:15:56
jesus you're fucking pathetic. "notice the clintonista.." fuck you? who comes up with stupid fucking names like that? go fucking listen to rush limbaugh you fucking retard. there's less than half a dozen of you republican cockweasels on here and the lot of you can go somewhere else with your bullshit.
who cares about fucking sandy berger? nobody except pro-bush inbred morons who are trying to distract themselves and everyone else from fucking armageddon caused by george w. bush.
shut the fuck up already! nobody wants to read your bullshit. keep it on fucking slate and whatever other retarded right-wing shitholes you spend your time wallowing in. |
| El Barto |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 13:09:47
Bush is a piece of shit from hell.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
