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| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 20:43:35
Japanese Schoolchildren to be Tagged with RFID (from slashdot)
Slashdot link here
CNET article here
The Register article here
"CNET has reported that Japanese schoolchildren in the city of Osaka will be tagged with RFID tags. Apparently this is in addition to the trial program in Tabe that The Register reported earlier, where parents can track their children on their way to school."
One member's response put it very succinctly:
" The tags will be read by readers installed in school gates and other key locations to track the kids' movements.
"/tinfoil_hat_on
In 2 years replace the word 'kids' with 'employees'.
In 5 years replace the word 'employers' with 'shoppers'.
in 9 years replace the word 'shoppers' with...
/tinfoil_hat_stays_on"
This is really starting to bug me out. I remember you asked if something else I posted about recently really kept me from being able to sleep, fudd? This is the kind of thing that really does.
edit: 7/15/04
**New Story**: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-07-14-mex-security-implant_x.htm
By Will Weissert, Associated Press
"MEXICO CITY — Security has reached the subcutaneous level for Mexico's attorney general and at least 160 people in his office — they have been implanted with microchips that get them access to secure areas of their headquarters."
I'll paste the rest of this story in a new post.
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| Newo |
Posted - 08/29/2005 : 05:52:42
There's a beach club in Barcelona with a VIP lounge you get membership to with a microchip implant (Tuesday night is chipping night  ), that seems to be one strategy along with making playing on people's fear for their kids so they'll get them electronically tagged, that of making it seem exclusive and trendy. Here's from their website: "We are the first discotheque in the world to offer the VIP VeriChip. Using an integrated (embedded) microchip, our VIPS can identify themselves and pay for their food and drinks without the need for any kind of document (ID)." Except for the one implanted in them, I would add.
Most articles I've read by people concerned about this technology focus on the possibilities for control by being constantly trackable via satellite, but what is underplayed what kind of information can be passed through the chip from the satellite. The chief scientist for Digital Angel, Peter Zhou "will be a connection from yourself to the electronic world. It will be your guardian, protector. It will bring good things to you...we will be a hybrid of electronic intelligence and our own soul."
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If I were a millionaire I'd buy every carthorse in Ireland and wait. The day is coming when a carthorse will be worth more than a Porsche. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/15/2004 : 12:56:22
I had no idea, honest, Dean! It was just a coinkydink...
OK, here's the rest of that story from Mexico:
(story and pictures here:)
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-07-14-mex-security-implant_x.htm
"Mexican attorney general personally goes high-tech for security
By Will Weissert, Associated Press
MEXICO CITY — Security has reached the subcutaneous level for Mexico's attorney general and at least 160 people in his office — they have been implanted with microchips that get them access to secure areas of their headquarters.
It's a pioneering application of a technology that is widely used in animals but not in humans.
Mexico's top federal prosecutors and investigators began receiving chip implants in their arms in November in order to get access to restricted areas inside the attorney general's headquarters, said Antonio Aceves, general director of Solusat, the company that distributes the microchips in Mexico.
Attorney General Rafael Macedo de la Concha and 160 of his employees were implanted at a cost to taxpayers of $150 for each rice grain-sized chip.
More are scheduled to get "tagged" in coming months, and key members of the Mexican military, the police and the office of President Vicente Fox might follow suit, Aceves said. Fox's office did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
A spokeswoman for Macedo de la Concha's office said she could not comment on Aceves' statements, citing security concerns. But Macedo himself mentioned the chip program to reporters Monday, saying he had received an implant in his arm. He said the chips were required to enter a new federal anti-crime information center.
"It's only for access, for security," he said.
The chips also could provide more certainty about who accessed sensitive data at any given time. In the past, the biggest security problem for Mexican law enforcement has been corruption by officials themselves.
Aceves said his company eventually hopes to provide Mexican officials with implantable devices that can track their physical location at any given time, but that technology is still under development.
The chips that have been implanted are manufactured by VeriChip Corp., a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions Inc. of Palm Beach, Fla.
They lie dormant under the skin until read by an electromagnetic scanner, which uses a technology known as radio frequency identification, or RFID, that's now getting hot in the inventory and supply chain businesses.
Scott Silverman, Applied Digital Solutions' chief executive, said each of his company's implantable chips has a special identification number that would foil an impostor.
"The technology is out there to duplicate (a chip)," he said. "What can't be stolen is the unique identification number and the information that is tied to that number."
Erik Michielsen, director of RFID analysis at ABI Research Inc., said encryption in the chips should make them as secure as existing RFID-based access control systems, such as the contactless employee badges that are widely used in corporate and government facilities. However, Michielsen questioned how big of a workplace market there can be for Applied Digital Solutions' chips, partly because of privacy concerns.
In addition to the chips sold to the Mexican government, more than 1,000 Mexicans have implanted them for medical reasons, Aceves said. Hospital officials can use a scanning device to download a chip's serial number, which they then use to access a patient's blood type, name and other information on a computer.
The Food and Drug Administration has yet to approve microchips as medical devices in the United States.
Still, Silverman said that his company has sold 7,000 chips to distributors across the United States and that more than 1,000 of those had likely been inserted into U.S. customers, mostly for security or identification reasons.
In 2002, a Florida couple and their teenage son had Applied Digital Solutions chips implanted in their arms. The family hoped to someday be able to automatically relay their medical information to emergency room staffers.
The chip originally was developed to track livestock and wildlife and to let pet owners identify runaway animals. The technology was created by Digital Angel Corp., which was acquired by Applied Digital Solutions in 1999.
Because the Applied Digital chips cannot be easily removed, they could be even more popular someday if they eventually can incorporate locator capabilities. Already, global positioning system chips have become common accountrements on jewelry or clothing in Mexico.
In fact, in March, Mexican authorities broke up a ring of used-car salesmen turned kidnappers who were known as "Los Chips" because they searched their victims to detect whether they were carrying the chips to help them be located." |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 16:12:40
Who tipped you off that by 'birds' I was referring to girls?
 "When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 16:01:13
Yeah, I think we'd better keep an eye on Dean - I seem to remember he's been already been practicing on birds. 
Actually, we talked a little about RFID a while back, so I guess this isn't all gnu gnews, but it's kinda prophetic. A little.
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=3528&SearchTerms=,RFID
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| shineoftheever |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 15:00:30
quote:
Originally posted by fudd
When I worked at Boeing one of the veeps visited a Japanese factory and came back raving about employee dedication. He told us he saw a guy run to the toilet and back to his station.
i'd be running too, if my diet was raw fish and seaweed. 
"chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot piiiieeeee!" |
| floop |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 14:56:08
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Ummm... OK?
mislead: Yeah, that's pretty astute. What measures are being taken to prevent would-be abductors from an easy time finding the lone wolf? Additionally, this so called method of protection is really quite useless as the kids may only be tracked when enroute to school when things are fine. As soon as they are abducted and pulled out of the sensor radius, they're gone from the system and undetectable. Or the kidnapper could easily disable the thing by sending the self-destrucy signal which is built into every RFID. Yep, what a great idea. Anyone else smell an ulterior motive here, or do we think that the people proposing this plan are either very naive or have solutions to some of there problems?
it seems like you've given this a lot of thought Cult. interesting perspective..
(cough) keep your children away from Cult (cough) |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 12:59:13
Ah, I see, fudd. Very sleepy today, sorry. :)
"When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 12:18:28
I've been telling people for ages that Battle Royale was a documentary! You won't be laughing soon.
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| fudd |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 09:00:41
Someone said "replace 'kids' with 'employees'." The point is that the Japanese have had this sort of government/corporation control for some time. They sing corporate anthems, for crissake.
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 08:37:01
Ummm... OK?
mislead: Yeah, that's pretty astute. What measures are being taken to prevent would-be abductors from an easy time finding the lone wolf? Additionally, this so called method of protection is really quite useless as the kids may only be tracked when enroute to school when things are fine. As soon as they are abducted and pulled out of the sensor radius, they're gone from the system and undetectable. Or the kidnapper could easily disable the thing by sending the self-destrucy signal which is built into every RFID. Yep, what a great idea. Anyone else smell an ulterior motive here, or do we think that the people proposing this plan are either very naive or have solutions to some of there problems?
"When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| fudd |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 07:54:41
When I worked at Boeing one of the veeps visited a Japanese factory and came back raving about employee dedication. He told us he saw a guy run to the toilet and back to his station.
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| misleadtheworld |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 07:37:16
The annoying thing is, we seem to live in a time where we're not trying to rectify problems, but to find alternate solutions to get around the problem. Which leads to more problems.
If a kidnapper wanted to, I'm sure he could find a way of detecting where all the children are now, and knowing when they're alone. What a system!
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 07:30:07
I don't think you'll ever see me as a proponent of RFID in anything that makes the bearer uniquely identifiable. It's a good technology with real merit in lots of fields, but this isn't one of them. Are the rates of child abduction in Japan so high to merit this sort of paranoia?
"When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 02:52:44
Apl, my tinfoil hat is on standby.
You ain't gettin near my or mine with a chip.
Others - this is NOT a good idea, unless you don't spend enough time communicating with people in forms other than an electronic one. |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 01:55:23
Wow, now that's a good idea, rewinding to any point of your life!
If the parents really want to track their children, I think a leash is a good solution. How do you want your children to become adults by removing every kind of responsability they may have? I think there is clearly a commercial purpose behind this story.
However, I don't take it as a serious threat. |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 22:52:45
You know, I don't know enough about this topic to have a solid opinion...
but you know what Idea I'vealways had...
I'll tell yas
I think it would be awesome if there was a digital video/audio chip in your eye and other parts of your body, so you could replay, or rewind to any point of your life, and watch it
just a thought
I'd rather eat rotisserre BBQ Floop than his cheap ass ex=lax tacos he like to call "Quesadillas.. oh, and Floop, stick your fake transloater machine directly up your ass, see if that helps you out? You slut! You taco whore!
o yasumi nasaihehehahhahehehaha |
| Arm Arm Arm |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 22:29:50
I understand why parents would agree to this but at the same time, the potential for abuse bothers me. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 22:07:00
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
It's been a fucked up day, and it's been a little difficult to tell when people are joking. I'm glad you were, Erebus. I just felt very tired, and didn't want to bother people with my topics anymore.
I admit I rarely make it easy for people to read my usually dark humor, and I confess that the comment was partially out of frustration with the anti-Bush linkages which pop up like knee-jerks. Few of us favor complacency, but the remark was out of place on this thread. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 21:54:05
It's been a fucked up day, and it's been a little difficult to tell when people are joking. I'm glad you were, Erebus. I just felt very tired, and didn't want to bother people with my topics anymore.
Your point is right on, by the way. Wasn't it Bugs Bunny that said: "The road to Albuquerque is paved with good intentions."?
RIP Little Bucharest: Yuppies. They don't eat goulash. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 21:48:48
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
Alright. Nevermind.
Funny how sense of humor can be so selective. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 21:40:46
Almost all "evil" is done by people intent upon doing good, to paraphase proverbs from virtually all cultures in history.
Few forces in the animal kingdom equal the will of parent to protect child.
The parental is responsible for most repression in society, be it of action, passion, porn, drugs, speech, thought, or freedom in general. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 21:35:34
Alright. Nevermind.
RIP Little Bucharest: Yuppies. They don't eat goulash. |
| Erebus |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 21:22:48
I suppose there's some way this can be blamed on Bush. |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 20:56:06
I dunno....if it can be made cheaply enough it may very well reduce child abductions....of course it would make it difficult to lie to your boss and go fishing. |
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