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| floop |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 13:01:10
does anyone else think it's fucked up how these are STILL not readily available?
they have the technology, but car manufacturers and oil companies are preventing them from really taking off. as a result, we're stuck in this self-perpetuating cycle of damaging the earth, our bodies, the global economy etc etc etc..
think of the benefits that will come from this technology..
someday it will seem so primitive that we used to gas up at a gas station, spilling hazardous chemicals all over the place. that day could be here now, but instead they're making bigger and bigger SUV's.. it's so backwards.
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| darwin |
Posted - 06/25/2005 : 00:12:42
Hey! I killed this subject almost a year ago. Good for me. |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 06/24/2005 : 23:09:08
here you go floop, have your topic back
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| darwin |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 17:26:12
quote:
Originally posted by Monsieur
Hey, Apl, I made a deep research work on your Clean Air Act (especially about the ARP and the Allowance trading system) this year, and I must say that it has been done pretty well in the USA, as compared to other countries. I think your EPA does quite a good job...
I'm no expert but aren't there two things: the Clean Air Act (passed during the Clinton years) and the Clean Skies Initiative (proposed by Bush). The first was a pretty big improvement. The second is largely an attempt to weaken the first. |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 17:10:22
If anybody is interested in some economic measures of the CAA's efficency, some very interesting papers are downloadable here :
http://web.mit.edu/ceepr/www/wp%20abstract%20archive.html#1997: |
| VoVat |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 15:15:33
quote:
I think your EPA does quite a good job...
But they tried to shut down the Ghostbusters! Those bastards!
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 14:46:27
It's for your own good that I will disagree.
Remember, I am French, so my natural position is critical towards the USA. Yet, I think that the allowance trading system, or at least the idea behind it, should be very efficient. Unfortunately, what the Americans already did in their own country, they refuse to do it in the world (cf US refusal to sign the Kyoto agreements).
Sooo, my gentlemanly nature will perhaps agree with you, if you give me your arguments (and beware, I have about 100 pages of figures on my hard disc here). |
| floop |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 14:45:35
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
Well, except for those little things called the petro-chemicals and utilities industries, just to name a couple. 
The fact that they are making fuel cells with coal-burning technology just adds insult to injury.
but the percentage used for those doesn't even compare to what is needed for fuel-powered cars (especially those lovely Hummers). plus, the technology is only going to improve more (look at how much it's already improved).
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| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 14:35:29
Uh....right. I have to respectfully disagree. I'm sure that your gentlemanly nature will easily allow you to acquiesce to my personal opinions, because that would be very classy.
The EPA is a grossly ineffectual money drain, IMHO, and I think the allowances schema is patently absurd, and only "allows" countries (aka companies) to go on doing what they want. Oh well, what the hell.
 RIP Little Bucharest: Yuppies. They don't eat goulash. |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 14:29:50
Hey, Apl, I made a deep research work on your Clean Air Act (especially about the ARP and the Allowance trading system) this year, and I must say that it has been done pretty well in the USA, as compared to other countries. I think your EPA does quite a good job... |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 14:23:00
Well, except for those little things called the petro-chemicals and utilities industries, just to name a couple.
The fact that they are making fuel cells with coal-burning technology just adds insult to injury. I also like the "Clean Air" Act. What the fuck? "1984" double-speak is alive and kicking.
"The Plain English Guide to the Clean Air Act"
http://www.epa.gov/oar/oaqps/peg_caa/pegcaain.html
RIP Little Bucharest: Yuppies. They don't eat goulash. |
| floop |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 13:55:40
quote:
Originally posted by frank_black_francis
The 'OIL=POWER' paradigm is eliminated if people figure out ways to live without a car.
the OIL=POWER paradigm is eliminated with electric cars
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| VoVat |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 13:16:43
I agree that we need to find an alternative fuel source. Electricity isn't necessarily it, but it's a step in the right direction. Oil companies have WAY too much power and influence. That's totally explicit in the present-day United States, where an oilman is President, but it's been implicit for much longer than that. The oil companies want control, so they do what they can to squelch research into other fuel sources. It ends up hurting everyone but (surprise!) the oil companies themselves.
As for Frank Black Francis' no-car option, it's just not available to everyone. A lot of people really don't have much of a choice as to where they live, and whether or not they have to rely on cars. Ideally, I agree with FBF, but it would require a massive paradigm shift for it to really be practical for many people not to drive.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 10:44:18
Yes, they used to give 4,000 US dollars as an incentive to buy ULEV high mileage (environmentally friendly) cars. I think it is less now.
That pales in comparison when you discover that the federal government lets you write off up to 100,000 US dollars from your taxes if you buy a multiple-seating vehicle over a certain weight. It suddenly becomes clear why there are so many assholes in Hummers.
RIP Little Bucharest: Yuppies. They don't eat goulash. |
| El Barto |
Posted - 07/11/2004 : 09:23:42
Doesn't the government give a tax incentive for having a hybrid? I thought I read somewhere...you get something for it.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 18:12:44
I remember hearing about petrol alternatives way back when I wa doing my A levels, gasahol I think it was called, used commonly in brazil a mix of ordinary petrol and alcohol, cheaper and more energy efficient and better for the environment....
But not good for the pockets of companies like shell who all members of my family (at the demand of my father) boycott due to twattery... I don't know if anyone remmbers this but years ago shell petrol caused major engine trouble with certain makes of car.. seemed to be those beginning with V mostly.. to most countries once the mistake had been recognised they forked out hefty compensation, except to the UK because, apparantly, we are stupid and have short memories... they actually said that.....
well... the tre family remembers Shell damn you.....
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 16:31:53
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
I agree floop.
We almost bought one (hybrid), but finances dictated being prudent. ("Gotta be prudent!")
We did the next best thing and got a used Honda Accord. Good mileage, good reliability. Next time around, maybe they will be cheaper and have more of a track record to go by and more mechanics certified to service them. I hope.
RIP Little Bucharest: Yuppies. They don't eat goulash.
Remember not to let any one steal your Honda 'H' from the front of the car. Otherwise, how will anyone know its a Honda?
The clue to all this in a song, man. "Who holds back the electric car? We do..."
Kind regards,
Dr. Simon
Specialist In Broken Hearts |
| floop |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 14:02:08
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Given the year long waiting list, why should they advertise them? Not only is there a waiting list, but I think people are over the book price to get the Prius. I don't know why they can't pump them out faster.
that's my point. they can make them. the lack of advertising and year waiting list is just to prevent them from becoming popular.
it's the MAN, man..
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| darwin |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 12:21:41
quote:
Originally posted by floop
quote:
Originally posted by Little Black Francis
One of my dad's comrades got a Honda hybrid a couple months ago.. they are available dumbass =)
suce ma bite enculé de ta merehehehahhahehehaha
they are available, but they're not readily available. the Honda and the Toyota, from what i understand, have long waiting lists.. you have to wait almost a year to get one.
and have you ever seen one of them advertised? ever. they're making zero effort to promote them. but then turn around and say it's because "people aren't interested".
il n'est pas être facile le Maître des quesadillas, mais il se sent bon.
Given the year long waiting list, why should they advertise them? Not only is there a waiting list, but I think people are over the book price to get the Prius. I don't know why they can't pump them out faster. |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 12:00:23
What ever happened to the No-Car option? This obsession with finding technological solutions to technological problems is useless....The 'OIL=POWER' paradigm is eliminated if people figure out ways to live without a car. We dont have to all live in the suburbs....and if you live downtown, damn you if you own a car. |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 11:46:09
Oh, okay... yeah, you're right Floop. If I was to buy a car, I think I would like to have on of those...
They need to start selling them and making more and promoteing them... the government should be more involved in the promotion too, like give a tax incentive or something
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| floop |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 11:03:10
quote:
Originally posted by Little Black Francis
One of my dad's comrades got a Honda hybrid a couple months ago.. they are available dumbass =)
suce ma bite enculé de ta merehehehahhahehehaha
they are available, but they're not readily available. the Honda and the Toyota, from what i understand, have long waiting lists.. you have to wait almost a year to get one.
and have you ever seen one of them advertised? ever. they're making zero effort to promote them. but then turn around and say it's because "people aren't interested".
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| johndietzel |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 01:00:41
Gutless is the Prius. Creepy when you keep thinking the car has died, when it switches to electric. Good mileage but not much of an option unless you are significantly more dedicated to saving the planet than you are to enjoying driving.
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| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 22:17:11
One of my dad's comrades got a Honda hybrid a couple months ago.. they are available dumbass =)
suce ma bite enculé de ta merehehehahhahehehaha |
| ObfuscateByWill |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 13:24:16
My old '89 Buick is still chugging along to nearly 30mpg.
Not great, but pretty good for a 15-year-old car.
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I'd like to give the Toyota Prius a shot.
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| apl4eris |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 13:14:52
I agree floop.
We almost bought one (hybrid), but finances dictated being prudent. ("Gotta be prudent!")
We did the next best thing and got a used Honda Accord. Good mileage, good reliability. Next time around, maybe they will be cheaper and have more of a track record to go by and more mechanics certified to service them. I hope.
RIP Little Bucharest: Yuppies. They don't eat goulash. |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 13:11:29
how 'bout this floopy?
http://www.josephnewman.com/
the american government is keeping it all under wraps, oil = power!
"You'll soon be dust your deeds already are, You saw no orb no fiery bushes either, I must be drunk I feel unsteady, No monster me, sadly no saint either... " |
