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| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 06/29/2004 : 06:03:19
Popular vote (%):
Also, how many seats would be taken if reflected by Popular Vote
Liberals: 135 Seats (should have 113 seats)
36.7%
Conservatives: 99 Seats (should have 91 seats)
29.6%
Bloc Quebecois: 54 Seats (should have 38 seats)
12.4%
N.D.P. : 19 Seats (should have 48 seats)
15.7%
Other: 1 Seat (should have 2 seats)
5.6%
Total seats: 308
Majority: 155
...and now you know why the other 3 parties do not want proportional representation.....they all stand to lose seats while the NDP more than doubles its seats.
Abolish the Un-elected senate and replace it with a house of reps that have more significant power that represent the popular vote! Thats how to unify Canada and defeat the forces of both Western Alienation and Separatism. |
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| The Champ |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 17:03:30
Dave man your not poor |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 16:48:31
quote:
Originally posted by BrendanT
Created the Territory of Nunavut in 1999.
yeah, 'cause before that we weren't having any of it, now we have Nunavut! 
"That's Nuckin' Futs" |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 16:42:08
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
haha..college education. Hilarious!
Despite the efforts of some of my educated friends, i'm still doing better than some of them, financially.
I'm not laying blame, nor would i wish to make significantly more.
And just so you know, i make $25-35/hr, i'm self-employed and have been for the last 6+ yrs.
Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer!
What do you do and are you hiring? |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 15:51:52
haha..college education. Hilarious!
Despite the efforts of some of my educated friends, i'm still doing better than some of them, financially.
I'm not laying blame, nor would i wish to make significantly more.
And just so you know, i make $25-35/hr, i'm self-employed and have been for the last 6+ yrs.
Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer! |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 14:56:12
Parole is a joke in canada, u know that, the jail system is a joke in canada , u know that, Child porn is an artform for somereason says the suprem court of canada, the fact is they have not done enough to protect the innocent people in this country. U say tightend laws, well their not tight enough considering life sentences get plea bargend down to a matter of years every damn time, look at carla halmoka, she was eligable for parole like last year, yeah really tough on crime in this country. Theirs 35000 people we ordered deported and have no idea where they are, thats the type of crap im talking about. They balanced the budget by cutting 25 billion from health care, allowed it to go all to hell, then realised they should put some money back in that they took out, amazing. Over spent by billions of dollars on a number of projects, o and we have corruption in the governemnt. Paul martin lies and lies never answeres any questions and thats the kind of guy u want as P.M.?? He also said the spon scandel would be resolved before an election would be called....Nope not resolved and the election went forward anyway, i wonder why? what an ass hole. O yeah and kyoto wont work since the usa wont sign on ever, so its another waste of time. |
| BrendanT |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 12:54:37
I still don't understand how the Ontario Health and Insurance Protection Plan is going to benefit anyone other than the Ontarians?
All you have to do is get your neurosurgeon to say that you cannot wait and must have a MRI completed pronto and off to Buffalo you go with $500 in your pocket and you are good to go.
Here are a few more accomplishments.
Eliminated the deficit in 1997-98 making Canada deficit-free for the first time in three decades. Paid down $52.3 billion of debt by 2002-03.
Cut taxes by $100 billion over five years (2000-04) the largest cumulative tax reduction in Canadian history.
Reformed the Canada Pension Plan in 1997 to secure the future pensions of Canadians for at least the next 75 years.
Appointed Roy Romanow to head the Royal Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada in 2001. In response to the Romanow Report, committed to invest an additional $34.8 billion over five years in the health care system (a further $2 billion was added in budget 2004).
Created a Health Council that will report regularly on the quality of the health care system.
Introduced the Canada Child Tax Benefit in 1997, a major initiative to help children in poverty. Support will be more than $10 billion per year by 2007 - or up to $3,243 per child - over double what it was in 1996.
Created, in co-operation with provinces and territories, the Early Childhood Development Initiative (2000) to provide greater access to good quality child care and early learning opportunities. By 2003, federal funding commitments for early learning and child and care totaled over $3.4 billion.
Established in 1995 Aboriginal Head Start, an early childhood program that helps young Aboriginal children prepare for school. Funding for this and related programs has been regularly increased.
Took a number of steps to protect the safety of women and children, including tighter parole rules for inmates serving life sentences; restricting access to the personal information of victims of sexual abuse; and strengthening criminal provisions against stalking.
Toughened the Criminal Code in 2002 to protect children from sexual exploitation. Those found guilty of making child pornography and of Internet-luring can be designated as "long-term offenders".
Doubled maternity and parental leave benefits to 50 weeks (2000).
Provided a six-week Compassionate Care leave for people who must take time off from their jobs to care for gravely ill or dying family members.
Introduced the Canada Education Savings Grant in 1998 to augment the Registered Education Savings Plan by as much as $400 each year per child. (This was further increased for low-income parents in budget 2004.)
Created the Canada Foundation for Innovation in 1997 to promote research at Canadian universities and hospitals. Invested $3.7 billion in the CFI, which has awarded research grants to more than 2,400 projects, almost half of them in the health sciences.
Created two thousand new 21st Century Chairs for Research Excellence in Canadian universities.
Created the Canadian Institutes of Health Research in 2000, committing more than $600 million each year for health-related research.
Established Genome Canada, a not-for-profit corporation dedicated to developing and implementing a national strategy in genomics.
Introduced a series of infrastructure support programs over the past 10 years. Federal commitments have totaled some $10 billion.
Created the Community Access Program in 1996 to connect small communities across Canada to the Internet. SchoolNet made Canada the first country in the world to link all schools to the Internet.
Invested $5.2 billion over six years in the national Agricultural Policy Framework which works on issues in food safety and quality, environment, science and innovation, renewal, and risk management (Budget 2000).
Passed the Clarity Act in 2000, helping to secure the unity of Canada.
Passed the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act in 1994 to improve public involvement in environmental assessments.
Ratified the Kyoto Protocol. Budget 2003 provided $2 billion to promote energy efficiency, renewable energy, sustainable transportation.
Led the international campaign to ban anti-personnel landmines resulting in the historic Ottawa Convention in 1997.
Chaired negotiations in 1998 leading to the establishment of the International Criminal Court.
Provided $500 million to promote Africa's development within an additional $1.4 billion over three years for international assistance (Budget 2003).
After deciding not to participate in the war in Iraq, Canada has taken an active role in the country's reconstruction with the provision of more than $300 million in humanitarian aid, and forgiveness of approximately $750 million of debt.
Passed the Anti-Terrorism Act; implemented the Smart Border initiative with the US to expedite the flow of goods and people while dealing with security risks; and in 2001 provided $7.7 billion over five years to enhance security and make Canada's borders secure, open and efficient.
Created the Territory of Nunavut in 1999.
Passed Bill C-24, which eliminates most corporate and union donations to political parties and enhances disclosure requirements.
Spearheaded the first of many Team Canada trade missions in 1994.
Do any of these mean anything to a significant amount of people?
Just curious.
We should be helping the Government change from the inside not just opposing it.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
It's step, hip, step, pivot! Are you trying to piss-off the volcano?! |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 11:19:01
O yeah and FROG,
Could u plz explain how the health care system works in France? |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 11:18:16
Talking about people who are not likely to follow through with anything, take a hard look at the liberals.
And i would like the governemnt to do more then one thing per decade , and perhaps something that actually means something to a significant amount of people. If ohip covers some private health care then that first of all shortens waiting lines , keeps canadians in canada to get health care which keeps the money here, and have efficiency brought into the health care system. I mean getting an MRI being the main one would save lives, the waiting lines are too long, and private clincs are the answere |
| BrendanT |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 09:51:02
You can't think of one thing that the Canadian Federal Government has accomplished since 1993.
How about if I mention this fact. It is from 1993.
The 1993 Report recommended that the Government:
abrogate its funding arrangements with the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador in respect of the Innu communities of Sheshatshiu and Davis Inlet and enter into direct arrangements with the Innu as Aboriginal people in Canada. Such arrangements should ensure that the Innu have access to all federal funding, programs and services that are available to status, on-reserve Indian people in Canada while preserving the unique aspects of existing arrangements such as the outposts program.
The land is now called Nunavut!!!!!!!!!!
Not a bad start for the Canadian people.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
It's step, hip, step, pivot! Are you trying to piss-off the volcano?! |
| BrendanT |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 09:36:51
May I ask how OHIP is the answer to our countries continually raped and dwindling Health Care system?
Will my OHIP tax increase for 2004/2005 help everyone in the fishing inlets of the East Coast acquire the care they will need?
What does it matter where someone is born? Can you not have a intellectual view of an "outside" nation? But I guess if you consider Ralph Nader ignorant and an idiot I must say that knowledge cannot exist without ignorance.
How about the Conservative Party stating that they would like to investigate the opportunity for a Sharia Law mediation court system set up within the Canadian judicial system. This was a blatent attempt to get the Muslum/Islamic vote. There was no way that this investigation would have accomplished anything more than the answer "No"! Very sneaky and almost "slight-of-hand" by the Conservatives. How can someone conservative in value want to investigate the opportunity to set a global precedent by allowing a foriegn justice procedure to overide the system of justice that has been in existence since the nations conception? Just a crafty, vote-mongering politician hungry for power.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
It's step, hip, step, pivot! Are you trying to piss-off the volcano?! |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 09:07:27
Actually...yes...it does matter if he jumped on the bandwagon. He is less likely to follow thru....and of all of my friends who went to the US, none mentioned the lower taxes as an incentive.
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| The Champ |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 08:15:49
It doesnt matter if u think he just jumped on the Band wagon , the fact is that it was in his platform so he would thus do it, and yes it got significant coverage since i heard about it every day in some form of media |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 08:09:51
Michael Moore first of all is making millions off of this movie, so i dont care what he thinks about Canada because hes not a canadian and doesnt know what hes talking about, neither does Ralph nader, and he proves he doesnt know what the hell hes talking about when he says
"...and the country would turn to a "pay-or-die model" of health care."
NO Ralph nader u ignorant idiot it would be covered under OHIP, ive said this a million times. OHIP OHIP OHIP!!!!!!!
OHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What im getting at is that both canada and the Usa has good systems, and in my opinion canada should take the good parts of the usa system such as low taxes etc, considering people are leaving canada with high educations to go to the states because of the tax system. Im not talking about turning Canada into USA #2 and neither was/is Harper. Canada's social programs are very important and im all for them, however the Liberal governemnt has done nothing to help change/ build canada since they were elected in 93, i can't think of a single thing. |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 08:05:50
quote:
Originally posted by The Champ
Allright i can argue those to somewhat right now :)
Rent increases u have subsidised housing and rent control, just ask Jack Layton he was living in one even tho he was making the big bucks on toronto's city councile
Steven harper wanted and might still be able to add a 2000 dollar a year per child tax credit, now thats a damn good idea and am all for that considering its expensive to raise kids and thats one reason why we have a shrinking population and have to rely on immigration to keep our population from dwindling into nothing. Hey its a start in the righ direction and im sure thats all it would be, a start not a finish.
Rent Controls? Are you kidding? .....Did you know that NYC has even better rent controls than most Canadian cities? A lot of good that did them. In Montreal, it is not uncommon that landlords flip an apartment after someone leaves, and double the rent in the process (despite all the wonderful rent controls that look really great on paper).....I'm sorry to say that for the most part, your Free Market rules in this case. And by the way, Jack Layton was trying to set an example by living in social housing.....his city council salary made it so he was actually paying above average Toronto rent (coincidently).
As well, Harper was not the only one who promised increases in the Child-Tax Benefit....and judging from the Conservative Party Platform (available at his website) low-income family issues get little attention....which leads me to conclude that he jumped on the bandwagon with that promise. Gender issues also get no mention in the Con Platform.
All this to say that Harper is a technocrat. It would be great if elitists like him were forced to take courses in the social sciences....but sorry, he now be a Number Man, not a People Man. |
| Frog in the Sand |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 07:16:20
God, this topic turns out to be much more interesting than I supposed at first. Seriously.
I really love Canada, from East to West & from North to South, and I'm glad to learn a little more about its political issues.
Ciel, ce thème de discussion s'avère bien plus intéressant que je ne le supposais d'abord. Sérieusement.
J'aime vraiment le Canada, d'est en ouest et du nord au sud, et je suis ravi d'en savoir un peu plus sur sa vie politique.
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| BrendanT |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 07:00:34
TORONTO - Following on the heels of filmmaker Michael Moore, U.S. presidential hopeful Ralph Nader is asking Canadians not to support the Conservatives, saying a right-wing government would undermine the country's social safety net.
In an open letter, Nader, who is running as an independent candidate in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, tells Canadians not to "overreact" to the federal Liberal sponsorship scandal. He said they should vote for any party but the Tories.
"Stephen Harper and the Conservatives have plans for crippling the commonwealth and security of the Canadian standard of living, known worldwide as just about the finest among sizable nations," Nader says in the letter.
Ralph Nader's letter
Nader, who gained fame as a consumer advocate, blasts the Tories for being "sympathetic" to a Fraser Institute plan of a "corporatist Canada that tears away your common safety net."
Nader warns that under the Conservatives, foreign ownership and large corporations would dictate Canadian economic policy and the country would turn to a "pay-or-die model" of health care.
"Forty-five million Americans – women, men and children – have no insurance coverage, and the number of uninsureds is increasing," says Nader in his letter.
He ends the letter by telling Canadians that the world needs an "independent, humane Canada."
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
It's step, hip, step, pivot! Are you trying to piss-off the volcano?! |
| BrendanT |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 06:57:40
CANADIANS RISK turning into pseudo-Americans if they vote Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party into office, activist American filmmaker Michael Moore said yesterday. "So my silent plea is don't go our way!" Moore said in an interview yesterday during a hectic day-long Toronto visit to introduce his controversial documentary, Fahrenheit 9/11, at a special preview screening for 600 people at the Varsity Cinemas.
"Look, I'm on a lifelong mission to convince Americans to be more Canadian-like," he said, describing how he grew up in Flint, Mich., listening to the CBC and came to admire Canada for its independence, especially in relation to the Vietnam War.
"I think we'd have a better country if we behaved more like you," Moore said. "And the thing that you're in the process of possibly doing in the next week or two is behaving more like us."
Moore said he fears that Harper is too sympathetic to U.S. President George W. Bush, whom he relentlessly attacks in Fahrenheit 9/11.
Moore's views are no surprise. He counts himself as a spokesman for the left and confesses his primary ambition for his film is to have an effect on the current U.S. election: "I'd like to remove George W. Bush from the White House!"
As for Harper, Moore said: "First of all he would put Canadians in the coalition of the willing. He believes that Canada should be joining more with the United States instead of trying to be its own separate thing. And I think he has a big pair of scissors in his hands, desperate to cut away at the social safety net that you have.
"Why on earth would you do that to yourselves? Why would you want a society that looked like ours? What do you think is so remarkable about the way that we've structured our society, where we have a growing gap between rich and poor, where we have 40 million adult Americans who are functional illiterates because of our educational system? Why would you want to live in more fear as violence and crime increases? That to me makes absolutely no sense. It's like taking a piss on yourself. Why would you want to do that?"
At the same time, Moore said, he knows that Paul Martin and the Liberals have put themselves in a losing position in the polls because of scandals. In the U.S., his political position is compromised, he said, because he is no fan of Democrat John Kerry.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
It's step, hip, step, pivot! Are you trying to piss-off the volcano?! |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 03:47:18
Good stats btw im looking at em now |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 03:40:16
Allright i can argue those to somewhat right now :)
Rent increases u have subsidised housing and rent control, just ask Jack Layton he was living in one even tho he was making the big bucks on toronto's city councile
Steven harper wanted and might still be able to add a 2000 dollar a year per child tax credit, now thats a damn good idea and am all for that considering its expensive to raise kids and thats one reason why we have a shrinking population and have to rely on immigration to keep our population from dwindling into nothing. Hey its a start in the righ direction and im sure thats all it would be, a start not a finish.
Dave i dunno about your situation but it is never to late to get a college education. |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 07/02/2004 : 02:18:40
Poverty:
Check out some stats at Statistics Canada.
http://www.statcan.ca/start.html
Look at the per capita income change and compare it to average Rent Increases (or the Housing Market in general)....and Voila!
Also interesting (Maybe not to Harper) is if you compare average income between Genders. You may note that Women (despite having Higher Levels of Education/ On average) earn up to 30% less on average than Men...and who might you ask are the heads of Single Parent Families for the most part? Women.
Again, This doesnt really interest Harper.....but hey, maybe the Free Markets will work all this out in the end. |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 22:29:21
I believe, if you look at my income, i am technically living in poverty..
Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer! |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 16:50:15
Im going to look for some stat's on unemployment, and poverty in canada before i argue this. But it is my assumption that with more people employed their are more people paying Taxes and thus more money for the poor, depending on what the governemnt spends it on. I mean think about how much money we would have every year extra for the budget if we didnt have a National Debt. I dont think the buy now worry about it later trudeau ideology works myself. |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 15:08:34
quote:
Originally posted by The Champ
LOL , what the hell is wrong with a FREE MARKET??, sorry fellas but free markets is whats paying for your social programs, dont u get it? A strong Economy is benifical for EVERYONE, and guess what, communism dont work! it never has wake up people. Now we have corruption brought back in why exactly? CAuse people are ignorant to any suggestions of change? Guess so. stupid. Small minded thinking from the Left wing.
The Free Market providing Social Programs of which you speak, Champ, is associated with Trickle-Down Economics (which I also mentioned)....and despite the boom in economies since Thatcherism and Reganomics (of which Harper is a fan) there has been no 'trickling down' as poverty is on the rise. Trickle Down Economics is a LIE! Free Markets operate on chaos and let too many fall thru the cracks....this 'not caring about our less fortunate neighbours' mentality is, well, quite obviously Un-Canadian.
Steven Harper is, well, Un-Canadian in his policies......
I am sure that you, like many who believe in Free Markets may, from time to time, be proud when you hear people from other countries cite the Canadian model of Health Care Policies, Social Programs and brand of Social Democracy as an great example of an effective and stable society....I know I am.
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 13:02:16
Champ, you're right, I assumed your post was connected to your last one about Liberal fear mongering as opposed to a response to fbf.
 "When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| realmeanmotorscutor |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 11:03:05
Canadian small talk moment!
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| The Champ |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 10:59:42
If you really think that the reason Stephen Harper didn't get in is because he believes in a free market, then you might want to take a closer look at his platform.
I never said that was the reason he didnt get in. What are u talking about? |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 10:09:16
If you really think that the reason Stephen Harper didn't get in is because he believes in a free market, then you might want to take a closer look at his platform. Assuming that everyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid and gullible is not exactly the way to address such topics either. If you want left/right polarized politics, the US border is never too far away. I'd rather look at their stance on the issues and go from there, rather than blindly voting right or left.
"When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 05:23:39
O yeah and another thing, i can't believe how u dont c that spreading rumours is not harmfull, or acceptable, how would u like it if i singled you out and started calling you a petiphile or something unjustified. If i got enough people to believe that then you would be harrassed constantly, think about it, its not fair and just immoral. I thought Lefties were supposed to be living on a higher moral ground then everyone else. :) |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 05:00:49
LOL , what the hell is wrong with a FREE MARKET??, sorry fellas but free markets is whats paying for your social programs, dont u get it? A strong Economy is benifical for EVERYONE, and guess what, communism dont work! it never has wake up people. Now we have corruption brought back in why exactly? CAuse people are ignorant to any suggestions of change? Guess so. stupid. Small minded thinking from the Left wing. |
| The Champ |
Posted - 07/01/2004 : 04:59:08
LOL , what the hell is wrong with a FREE MARKET??, sorry fellas but free markets is whats paying for your social programs, dont u get it? A strong Economy is benifical for EVERYONE, and guess what, communism dont work! it never has wake up people. Now we have corruption brought back in why exactly? CAuse people are ignorant to any suggestions of change? Guess so. stupid. Small minded thinking from the Left wing. |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 06/30/2004 : 15:58:18
Well said FBF.
I forgot 'racist' tho, thanks Champ! =)
Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer! |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 06/30/2004 : 15:36:47
quote:
Originally posted by The Champ
Discusting results, now hold onto your wallets guys the socialists are running the show. Now weve learned that Jack Layton is spineless because he would like to join the Liberal coccus, the west wants to separate and so does Quebec, and Ontario's people are messed up in the head and gulible as hel lfor buying inot the Liberals brain washing fear tactics. Steven harper is not a Nazi or hittler or racist, so shut your damn mouth and learn the god damn facts.
Youch!!!.....It should be noted that Harper is a trained right-wing economist who believes in all the typical right-wing things (Small Government, Free Markets, Trickle-Down Theory, and could give a rat's ass about the marginalized)....He is such an elitist that he left the Reform Party because he was disgusted with the fact that Preston Manning had the habit of consulting with the Grass Roots on Party Policy.....and despite having gained the official opposition, he is still thinking about leaving politics.
But to refer to those who voted for him as gullible.....how very Harperesque. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 06/30/2004 : 14:36:46
Perhaps people didn't vote for him because of his pro-war Bush following policies?
"When 5000 posts you reach / Look as good you will not, hmmm?" |
| The Champ |
Posted - 06/30/2004 : 14:30:57
Discusting results, now hold onto your wallets guys the socialists are running the show. Now weve learned that Jack Layton is spineless because he would like to join the Liberal coccus, the west wants to separate and so does Quebec, and Ontario's people are messed up in the head and gulible as hel lfor buying inot the Liberals brain washing fear tactics. Steven harper is not a Nazi or hittler or racist, so shut your damn mouth and learn the god damn facts. |
| All_over_the_world |
Posted - 06/30/2004 : 09:43:15
You're all weird |
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