| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| interloper |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 16:16:54
Retarted, yet a very probable reality.
Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005
There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and
HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at
early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The
administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the
public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed
immediately.
$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget
to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005.
Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system,
which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see
website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance
plan - fiscal year 2004.
The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft
board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is
an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members
of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard
slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice
but to draft.
Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year,
www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp" target="_blank">http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal
National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by
requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women,
perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in
furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other
purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed
services.
Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.
College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the
U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep
would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs,
John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration
involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a
"pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country.
Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class
lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would
only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester.
Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object
to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a
say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this
plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft.
The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important
decision.
Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles,
grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's
their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!
Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling
their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other
media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.
Jillian N. Schneebeck
Grants Associate
Planned Parenthood of Minnesota/South Dakota
1965 Ford Parkway
St. Paul, Minnesota 55116
Phone: 651-696-5652
Fax: 651-696-5543
jschneebeck@ppmsd.org
Hand held shower nozzles are the demon enemy of the patriarch and should be destroyed. |
| 25 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| interloper |
Posted - 06/04/2004 : 04:53:36
quote:
Originally posted by ProverbialCereal
quote:
Originally posted by Mroocore
just like the world found out after Pearl Harbor, you do not want to make Americans get off their couches.
I think most Americans got off their couches before Pearl Harbor ended.
The plot was bad enough, but Ben Affleck on top of that? He is enough alone to stop watching that movie.
Harhar.
Just quit a cult / going through withdrawal
You laugh, but that's exactly what I did upon being exposed to that piece of shit. Get off the couch.
Hand held shower nozzles are the demon enemy of the patriarch and should be destroyed. |
| ProverbialCereal |
Posted - 06/03/2004 : 23:21:32
quote:
Originally posted by Mroocore
just like the world found out after Pearl Harbor, you do not want to make Americans get off their couches.
I think most Americans got off their couches before Pearl Harbor ended.
The plot was bad enough, but Ben Affleck on top of that? He is enough alone to stop watching that movie.
Harhar.
Just quit a cult / going through withdrawal |
| darwin |
Posted - 06/03/2004 : 17:14:28
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat
McCain does stand-up comedy? Who knew? <g>
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo.
What, you've never seen him on The Daily Show? |
| VoVat |
Posted - 06/03/2004 : 16:02:08
McCain does stand-up comedy? Who knew? <g>
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| darwin |
Posted - 06/03/2004 : 15:16:13
quote:
Originally posted by interloper
quote:
Originally posted by Mroocore
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
This cuts both ways. Perhaps by reinstating the draft people will be less willing to support a war if their loved-ones or their self might ended up being sent into the conflict. It would be critical to make the playing field even. No deferments or outs from mommy and daddy's influence on the higher-ups.
I wonder if this country (the US) would be better off if there was a required 2 years of service either in the military, Peace Corps, Conservation Corps, or other avenues. Put it in between high school and college. Not only would valuable services be generated, but the quality and attitudes of college students would also be improved.
i believe that the only way to get a majority of Americans to really care about the deployment of US troops is to force each citizen to have some kind of personal investment. how long would middle America allow politicians to advance their geo-political agendas on the backs of their sons and daughters, who were just pulled from their state college binges?
just like the world found out after Pearl Harbor, you do not want to make Americans get off their couches.
I infinately second that. Brilliant point.
I heard from a co-worker today that the primary congressman trying to get this to go through, happens to be A. on his way out and B. So far left you can't even see him. How bout that shit? I wish I had the name.
Hand held shower nozzles are the demon enemy of the patriarch and should be destroyed.
The two main proponents are (I believe) Chuck Hagel (a Republican from Nebraska or Kansas, Vietnam vet, and apparently a stand-up guy like McCain) and Charles Rangel (New York, liberal democrat, WW II vet I think) who is quoted as saying:
"Those who love this country have a patriotic obligation to defend this country," Rangel said. "For those who say the poor fight better, I say give the rich a chance." |
| interloper |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 17:53:01
quote:
Originally posted by Mroocore
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
This cuts both ways. Perhaps by reinstating the draft people will be less willing to support a war if their loved-ones or their self might ended up being sent into the conflict. It would be critical to make the playing field even. No deferments or outs from mommy and daddy's influence on the higher-ups.
I wonder if this country (the US) would be better off if there was a required 2 years of service either in the military, Peace Corps, Conservation Corps, or other avenues. Put it in between high school and college. Not only would valuable services be generated, but the quality and attitudes of college students would also be improved.
i believe that the only way to get a majority of Americans to really care about the deployment of US troops is to force each citizen to have some kind of personal investment. how long would middle America allow politicians to advance their geo-political agendas on the backs of their sons and daughters, who were just pulled from their state college binges?
just like the world found out after Pearl Harbor, you do not want to make Americans get off their couches.
I infinately second that. Brilliant point.
I heard from a co-worker today that the primary congressman trying to get this to go through, happens to be A. on his way out and B. So far left you can't even see him. How bout that shit? I wish I had the name.
Hand held shower nozzles are the demon enemy of the patriarch and should be destroyed. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 17:31:22
quote:
There's no way you can spin a draft, especially with a 41% approval rating.
Especially after how unpopular it was in Vietnam. On the other hand, the people instituting the draft aren't going to be the ones affected by it. While I can't necessarily say there aren't situations where it's warranted, I'm generally opposed to governments trying to force their citizens to fight wars that don't really concern them personally. Maybe I'd think differently if it were, for instance, a matter of defending the homeland. Of course, in that situation, enough people would probably fight WITHOUT being drafted.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| BLT |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 15:19:35
Bad news for those already serving:
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=axGDmBHdF1Wg&refer=top_world_news
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5120982/
It's like Catch-22 come to life. |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 13:26:53
quote:
just like the world found out after Pearl Harbor, you do not want to make Americans get off their couches.
What an amazing statement!
Can I make that my signature?
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| Mroocore |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 13:10:02
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
This cuts both ways. Perhaps by reinstating the draft people will be less willing to support a war if their loved-ones or their self might ended up being sent into the conflict. It would be critical to make the playing field even. No deferments or outs from mommy and daddy's influence on the higher-ups.
I wonder if this country (the US) would be better off if there was a required 2 years of service either in the military, Peace Corps, Conservation Corps, or other avenues. Put it in between high school and college. Not only would valuable services be generated, but the quality and attitudes of college students would also be improved.
i believe that the only way to get a majority of Americans to really care about the deployment of US troops is to force each citizen to have some kind of personal investment. how long would middle America allow politicians to advance their geo-political agendas on the backs of their sons and daughters, who were just pulled from their state college binges?
just like the world found out after Pearl Harbor, you do not want to make Americans get off their couches.
 PENGU LIES |
| soundofataris |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 11:47:39
sorry, double post. |
| soundofataris |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 11:44:45
as to the 34 thing, in a purposal drafted by the head of the selective service, the ideas were floated of raising the draft age to 34 and requiring all citizens to declare to the SS any skills or abilities that they may have that would be benefital to the army, such as medical or computer training. This purposal was submitted prior to the onset of the bush war in iraq. I'm sorry I can't post a source. I read it a month or two ago in one of those news stories on the main page of yahoo.com
warm....warmer.....disco! |
| interloper |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 06:23:25
quote:
Originally posted by Chip Away Boy
I'd like to know the source of this info, I really doubt it's credability
I got it from a friend in a bulk email he sent to a ton of people he knew. Beyond that, I have no idea about it's validity. The links posted make it seem like it is indeed a real consideration though. Evidentally, this letter has already spread substantially. Believe me, I hope it's bullshit.
Hand held shower nozzles are the demon enemy of the patriarch and should be destroyed. |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 22:49:23
More
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| Jason |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 22:43:27
The way I see it, one snag in the possibility of the draft age being raised to 34 is that the older a person gets the more likely they are to vote (thus, vote out those in favor of the draft). 18-24 year olds rarely vote (http://www.civicyouth.org/quick/youth_voting.htm) and thus can be pushed around a little more. |
| darwin |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 22:22:35
quote:
Originally posted by interloper
Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object
to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a
say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this
plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft.
This cuts both ways. Perhaps by reinstating the draft people will be less willing to support a war if their loved-ones or their self might ended up being sent into the conflict. It would be critical to make the playing field even. No deferments or outs from mommy and daddy's influence on the higher-ups.
I wonder if this country (the US) would be better off if there was a required 2 years of service either in the military, Peace Corps, Conservation Corps, or other avenues. Put it in between high school and college. Not only would valuable services be generated, but the quality and attitudes of college students would also be improved. |
| ObfuscateByWill |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 21:54:37
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
I hear they're raising the age to 34. In part because they wont draft anyone that's been on Ritalin
Hmm..
I wonder if they would bar someone for Strattera use.
There's a somewhat helpful Q & A bit on medications, ADHD and the draft here.
*Shka-pow! You're Dead! |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 21:47:00
I'm not one to talk shit
http://csof.net/node.php?id=817
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 21:40:50
This is what I got so far. http://www.nfgcc.org/64.htm
A few people at work brought up the point I made but I haven't looked into it.
I'll see what I can find
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| Chip Away Boy |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 21:13:27
I'd like to know the source of this info, I really doubt it's credability
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| fudd |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 20:55:43
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
I hear they're raising the age to 34. In part because they wont draft anyone that's been on Ritalin
Is there any germ of truth in this? I would gladly pay for a year or two's worth of Ritalin. (Of course I would throw it in the garbage and not give it to my kids.)
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| soundofataris |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 19:52:38
I personally don't believe it. Scare tactics by people with agendas. Though I dispise bush and the entire neo-con cabal, I doubt even he would enact a policy that's sure to be so unpopular. There's no way you can spin a draft, especially with a 41% approval rating.
warm....warmer.....disco! |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 19:42:17
I hear they're raising the age to 34. In part because they wont draft anyone that's been on Ritalin
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| Jason |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 18:18:16
If it makes anyone feel better here's a hopeful take on it from snopes.com (Urban Legends site):
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp |
| ShakeyShake |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 17:00:14
Unlucky guys,might get to see you out and about if it ever hits the UK
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