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| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 14:36:18
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6106.htm
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
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| 35 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 05/17/2004 : 11:46:49
Aye Adnan...tho it seems theirs are even more frivolous..heh..
Back to this video, here's a link pointing out 50 Fishy Points to it:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477
Stuff like:
34) "Terrorists" were fat
Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or Mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands.
35) White hands of "terrorists"
Some of the "Arab terrorists" have pasty-white hands and (other exposed) skin. One would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands. (See: Nick Berg Conspiracy Theories Abound.)
36) Wrong accent
Al-Zarqawi is/was Jordinian. Arab linguists have said the man posing as Al-Zarqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.
37) Change in masks by beheader
To quote a K5 comment:
"The guy who holds up the head at the end has a white mask and no vest. The guy who pulls out the knife and starts cutting is in a black mask. The only guy with a white mask is wearing a green vest"
38) Voice id
Al-Zarqawi's identification by the CIA was based on "probable" voice id of the videotape.
39) Al-Zarqawi's missing leg
Al-Zarqawi was missing one leg. Al-Zarqawi allegedly wears a prosthetic device, according to previous CIA reports. (See: IHT Protrait of Al-Zarqawi.) There is no evidence that the killer wore a prosthetic device. Further, Al-Zarqawi had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally. No man in the group showed evidence of such infirmity.
40) Missing tattoos?
Large green tattooed "dots" are known to be on the back of Abu Musab Zarqawi's left hand. These tattoos cannot be seen in the close up video of the execution, though the back of his hand is fairly visible. (See: IHT Protrait of Al-Zarqawi.)
41) Al-Zarqawi dead?
Numerous indigenous sources have said Al-Zarqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building.
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| darwin |
Posted - 05/16/2004 : 17:43:32
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Seems like most of the 'wars' the US start are pretty pointless and end up in a worse situation than where they started..heh..
Let's start a War on Wars..
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| Adnan_le_Terrible |
Posted - 05/16/2004 : 17:02:44
Many wars are pointless, Dave!
It's our tradition to control, Like Erich Honecker and Helmut Kohl, From the Ukraine to the Rhône. Sweet home über alles, Lord, I'm coming home. So come on, Sugar Daddy, bring me home. |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 05/16/2004 : 16:37:12
Seems like most of the 'wars' the US start are pretty pointless and end up in a worse situation than where they started..heh..
Let's start a War on Wars..
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| darwin |
Posted - 05/15/2004 : 21:53:00
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
I dunno if i posted this here, but to paraphrase Robin Hitchcock:
I don't get this 'war on terror'. Terror is an emotion..you can't have a war on emotions. It'd be like having a war on love.
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It's all LBJ's fault for his "War on Hunger". Too bad that guy got pulled down by Vietnam. He (unlike the current monkey) had the skills and brains to make a difference. |
| El Barto |
Posted - 05/15/2004 : 20:12:37
The war on terrorism is in the same vein as the war on drugs...it's a fucking ambiguous curtain statement that pretty much allows you to do anything in the name of the war on ______. There's no realistic or possible end to either unless we change the administration and de-brainwash the nation.
Boycott cults and t's |
| VoVat |
Posted - 05/15/2004 : 15:12:02
quote:
I dunno if i posted this here, but to paraphrase Robin Hitchcock:
I don't get this 'war on terror'. Terror is an emotion..you can't have a war on emotions. It'd be like having a war on love.
Shhh! Don't give Bush any ideas!
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
| Newo |
Posted - 05/15/2004 : 10:11:48
Anyone who declares war on an abstract noun isn´t worried much about stopping it.
-Owen |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 14:08:07
I dunno if i posted this here, but to paraphrase Robin Hitchcock:
I don't get this 'war on terror'. Terror is an emotion..you can't have a war on emotions. It'd be like having a war on love.
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| This_Guy |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 02:25:41
somebody tell me how the war on terror ends please?
i tried to read it but it just pu me to sleep.
i bet there's a wedding. |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 19:48:16
What are you talking about?
Ooo! Bye! I gotta slither my way over to the freak tent, I'm on.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
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| Malax |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 19:37:13
There we go. We found it!
Your sense of humour
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
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| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 19:32:07
Yes, it sucks. Every once and a while Frog Boy comes over to my tent (between show's) to visit. He says he's my friend, but I know he's just here to drink my Zima and watch my porn.
Thank god for internet forums
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| Malax |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 19:25:33
What? You don't have any friends? I feel really bad for being naughty to you before, now. Im truly sorry. I don't wish that situation on anyone.
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna* |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 19:21:33
I don't like to watch "Friends", it just reminds me that i don't have any.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| Malax |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 19:12:25
I know vaguely whats been going on, I didn't know the guys name. 2 people from that film were in friends. And David Schwimmer was in band of brothers. How odd. Or not. As for us invading as well, my response is simply, I don't care. I didn't invade, not me personally. What Tony Blair does doesn't represent me as a person so I don't give a damn. I hate it when american bands come over and say to everyone "we have to apologise for our ass of a president" then all the kids shout as though they give a damn. I don't, hes not MY prime minister, I just happen to live in the country he governs over. I walked out of the shitty band boysetsfire because after every song they tried to feed everyone shitty political mumbo jumbo. If the guy had said you all stink of shit I hate you, they would still have cheered.
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna* |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 19:00:02
I hate Friends. I think I mentioned that somewhere before. I think I'll cry....
I like people who glue macaroni on to a piece of cardboard and paint it gold. That's what I aspire to basically. - Tom Waits |
| Malax |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 18:58:03
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
quote:
Originally posted by Malax
Right ok, I shall post not further about this stuff. Yes you invaded them but they chose to fight back blah blah blah blah etc etc.
If you serious about the "Also don't forget that Private Ryan is a movie." bit then you seriously need to get a sense of humour. I understand that sometimes things that I say don't come across right but how can that be read any other way. But I'll just presume you were joking as well.
But seriously I do think if you dont beat up prisoners they will kill the weird guy from friends and you'll cry. Oh wait....
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna*
Malax, I have a great sense of humor. In fact I'm often told by myself, that I'm the funniest person I know.
Sorry, i guess I missed the joke there, I've had a couple beers. i most certainly did not mean to offend.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
Its cool.
But really?You thought that maybe I could think that if you dont be bad to prisoners they will kill the weird guy from friends and apl4eris will cry?
Sorry I'll stop now.
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna* |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 18:55:53
Malax, I'm confused about you not knowing what exactly I'm talking about -the way you spoke seemed to imply you read about what I had mentioned (Rush Limbaugh's absurd statements) in the papers, and to an extent agreed. Maybe you were talking about something else? Now the room's spinning.
Anyhoo, I caught your joke. But remember, it was not just the US that invaded, Tony Blair and his country did too. Oh wait...
I like people who glue macaroni on to a piece of cardboard and paint it gold. That's what I aspire to basically. - Tom Waits |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 18:51:17
You can see that photo (from NY Times) at www.thememoryhole.org as well.
Direct NY Times link to story: www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/politics/07DEAT.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/politics/07DEAT.html
free registration, yadda yadda...
I like people who glue macaroni on to a piece of cardboard and paint it gold. That's what I aspire to basically. - Tom Waits |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 18:50:52
quote:
Originally posted by Malax
Right ok, I shall post not further about this stuff. Yes you invaded them but they chose to fight back blah blah blah blah etc etc.
If you serious about the "Also don't forget that Private Ryan is a movie." bit then you seriously need to get a sense of humour. I understand that sometimes things that I say don't come across right but how can that be read any other way. But I'll just presume you were joking as well.
But seriously I do think if you dont beat up prisoners they will kill the weird guy from friends and you'll cry. Oh wait....
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna*
Malax, I have a great sense of humor. In fact I'm often told by myself, that I'm the funniest person I know.
Sorry, i guess I missed the joke there, I've had a couple beers. i most certainly did not mean to offend.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| Malax |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 18:45:17
Right ok, I shall post not further about this stuff. Yes you invaded them but they chose to fight back blah blah blah blah etc etc.
If you serious about the "Also don't forget that Private Ryan is a movie." bit then you seriously need to get a sense of humour. I understand that sometimes things that I say don't come across right but how can that be read any other way. But I'll just presume you were joking as well.
But seriously I do think if you dont beat up prisoners they will kill the weird guy from friends and you'll cry. Oh wait....
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna* |
| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 18:29:09
quote:
Originally posted by Malax
apl4eris
I have no idea exactly what your talking about, I have limited knowledge at best of whats been going on. And like I said I don't entirely agree with the 'statement' but shit like this happens. Plus its all well and good everyone sitting here typing this after reading it in a paper or seeing stuff on the news. With shit like this the only person I would believe was a family member who had been there and seen whatever goes on first hand.
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Have you not seen saving private ryan?
If you dont piss on the prisoners and such, they will come back later and kill the weird guy from friends. And you'll CRY!
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna*
Malox, don't forget that we invaded them. Also don't forget that Private Ryan is a movie.
Here's a story about the ones that died
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=4642
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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| Malax |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 17:51:55
apl4eris
I have no idea exactly what your talking about, I have limited knowledge at best of whats been going on. And like I said I don't entirely agree with the 'statement' but shit like this happens. Plus its all well and good everyone sitting here typing this after reading it in a paper or seeing stuff on the news. With shit like this the only person I would believe was a family member who had been there and seen whatever goes on first hand.
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Have you not seen saving private ryan?
If you dont piss on the prisoners and such, they will come back later and kill the weird guy from friends. And you'll CRY!
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
*Adapted By Carolynanna* |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 17:15:57
I hate how they continue to use the term 'war'..it still is, and always was, an unprovoked attack and take-over. An external military coup.
No different than what Iraq attempted to do in Kuwait in the early 90's. Oh, the irony.
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| apl4eris |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 11:23:10
I agree, ivandivel, it seems very stupid, clumsy and dangerous, but I wonder if it's not part of a grander scheme? Either way, it's SNAFU.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm#REBUILDING
edit: CoF, I'm so flattered that you value my statements over those of Limbaugh! I felt secure making that assertion since I watched the entire testimony of Rumsfeld and Gen. Myers, etc., before Congress live on CSPAN. It was mentioned repeatedly that there are deeper and more serious allegations, all under the wrap of "criminal investigations" including rape and murder.
I'm not naively outraged that these things occur - I am disgusted as a human being that they do, but I also am cynically aware that these things are not at all new, and part of the role of government has always seemed to include the public's ability to turn a blind eye and believe they are righteous and right, that "God is on their side", that their government is merciful and logical, because we don't acknowledge what goes on.
What is new is that even with the stranglehold executive legislation on information, these problems seem chaotically out of control, a PR nightmare that has poisoned the "hearts and minds" we were supposedly trying to win - this bodes not well for democratic freedom and civil rights, as things will only become more tighlty controlled to try to stem the flow. Much the same as personal rights being exchanged for "security".
I could elaborate, but I'm not sure anyone wants to hear me ramble on anyway.
I like people who glue macaroni on to a piece of cardboard and paint it gold. That's what I aspire to basically. - Tom Waits |
| ivandivel |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 04:31:02
I wonder though; how is it possible for the american military to be so stupid? These pictures (and videos) supposedly circulated for months before the newspapers got them. Wouldn't any intelligent person have known that these pictures would cause rage? It just confirms the suspicion that there is a serious lack of brains in pentagon (and the white house of course, but we have known that for some time now). |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 04:04:20
As we learned from the US' defiance of the UN, when you're big, you can follow which laws you want. I mean, who's going to cut off trade with the US or impose sanctions?
Now, I haven't been following this, because in my mind this stuff has always been happening in POW camps before and after the Geneva convention. This is just the first time anyone since Geneva has been stupid/arrogant enough to photograph it.
If it was simply humiliation as Mr. Limbaugh suggests, then perhaps I could agree with him that, well, worse things are probably happening to American troops that are captured, which doesn't excuse it, but indicates that the rage is misdirected. People are calling to demolish the prison? Come on, it's not the building that's the problem, it's the American soldiers within.
But if we're supposed to be accepting of rape/torture as Apl suggests is occurring (and I'll believe her over Rush pretty much anyday of the week) then there's no excusing it on our side or theirs. Just disgusting.
I should probably look into this before posting, but I'd rather not, so consider this more a general comment than a comment on the actual situation.
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| Adnan_le_Terrible |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 04:03:19
I was being ironic, MCA
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| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 03:41:30
It's not about war here. We are talking about unarmed people in jail. And civilized societies DO have rules about treating prisoners, even if they are murderers, enemy soldiers or Satan in person. If you start doing exceptions about treating people with dignity under some circumstances you will end that this will happen under all circumstances. If the people responsable for this don't get punished what will stop them from repeating their acts? And how long will it take before people get used to it? How long before some right wing integralist will propose to make torture legal under "conditions"?
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| Adnan_le_Terrible |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 01:46:15
I agree with Malax. There are no rules of war. It's a place where mentally ill people can entirely express their "genius". However, as we are sane, I think we should be pretty concerned about giving all the weapons to the mentally ill. If Neron had the nuclear bomb, we probably wouldn't be here to discuss it.
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| IceCream |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 23:07:32
I just saw this thread today. Skimming over the pictures and briefly reading a few text, it's pretty sick. |
| apl4eris |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 22:24:19
So, you agree with Rush on what arguments? Are you implying Just War practices and the Geneva Convention are pussy? Do you realize prisoners have been raped and murdered?
Please explain.
I like people who glue macaroni on to a piece of cardboard and paint it gold. That's what I aspire to basically. - Tom Waits |
| Malax |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 19:51:56
I read this in the paper today and to an extent I agree.
"Its a fuckin war!"
Not a tea party
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
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| apl4eris |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 19:24:47
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405070003
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405070005
I like people who glue macaroni on to a piece of cardboard and paint it gold. That's what I aspire to basically. - Tom Waits |
