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| benji |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 07:28:15
i watched the rerun of the channel 4 compliation of the top 100 films of all time in the weekend.
the list was originally broadcast in late 2002, but i wasn't in the country then, so had never seen it...
but jeez...
gladiator at 6? yeah right.
but for anyone interested, here is the final list in ascending order.
Star Wars / The Empire Strikes Back (1977/80) - George Lucas / Irvin Kershner
The Godfather / The Godfather Part II (1972/74) - Francis Ford Coppola
The Shawshank Redemption (1994) - Frank Darabont
Pulp Fiction (1994) - Quentin Tarantino
Some Like It Hot (1959) - Billy Wilder
Gladiator (2000) - Ridley Scott
It's a Wonderful Life (1946) - Frank Capra
Blade Runner (1982) - Ridley Scott
Schindler's List (1993) - Steven Spielberg
Goodfellas (1990) - Martin Scorsese
Psycho (1960) - Alfred Hitchcock
Jaws (1975) - Steven Spielberg
Apocalypse Now (1979) - Francis Coppola
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - Milos Forman
The Matrix (1999) - Andy and Larry Wachowski
Casablanca (1942) - Michael Curtiz
The Usual Suspects (1995) - Bryan Singer
Wo hu cang long {Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon} (2000) - Ang Lee
Citizen Kane (1941) - Orson Welles
Raging Bull (1980) - Martin Scorsese
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) - Steven Spielberg
Taxi Driver (1976) - Martin Scorsese
Monty Python's Life of Brian (1979) - Terry Jones
Singin' in the Rain (1952) - Gene Kelly and Stanley Donen
L.A. Confidential (1997) - Curtis Hanson
The Wizard of Oz (1939) - Victor Fleming, King Vidor
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Stanley Kubrick
Kes (1969) - Ken Loach
Vertigo (1958) - Alfred Hitchcock
Lawrence of Arabia (1962) - David Lean
Fargo (1995) - Joel and Ethan Coen
Gone with the Wind (1939) - Victor Fleming
Trainspotting (1995) - Danny Boyle
The Full Monty (1997) - Peter Cattaneo
The Graduate (1967) - Mike Nichols
Alien (1979) - Ridley Scott
The Silence of the Lambs (1990) - Jonathan Demme
Withnail and I (1986) - Bruce Robinson
The Great Escape (1963) - John Sturges
Toy Story (1995) - John Lasseter
The Third Man (1949) - Carol Reed
Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994) - Mike Newell
The Sound of Music (1965) - Robert Wise
Fitzcarraldo (1982) - Werner Herzog
Deliverance (1972) - John Boorman
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly ( 1966) - Sergio Leone
Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) - Robert Hamer
Chinatown (1974) - Roman Polanski
The Exorcist (1973) - William Friedkin
Annie Hall (1977) - Woody Allen
The Italian Job (1969) - Peter Collinson
Sunset Boulevard (1950) - Billy Wilder
The Jungle Book (1967) - Wolfgang Reitherman
Titanic (1997) - James Cameron
Jean de Florette / Manon des Sources (1986) - Claude Berri
Dr Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1963) - Stanley Kubrick
Rebel Without a Cause (1955) - Nicholas Ray
Shichinin no samurai {The Seven Samurai} (1954) - Akira Kurosawa
A Matter of Life and Death (1946) - Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) - George Roy Hill
Secrets and Lies (1995) - Mike Leigh
Blue Velvet (1986) - David Lynch
La Dolce Vita (1960) - Federico Fellini
Spartacus (1960) - Stanley Kubrick
Metropolis (1926) - Fritz Lang
Bonnie and Clyde (1967) - Arthur Penn
King Kong (1933) - Merian C Cooper and Ernest B Schoedsack
Get Carter (1971) - Mike Hodges
The Searchers (1956) - John Ford
Det Sjunde inseglet {The Seventh Seal} (1957) - Ingmar Bergman
Don't Look Now (1973) - Nicolas Roeg
Brief Encounter (1945) - David Lean
MASH (1969) - Robert Altman
The French Connection (1971) - William Friedkin
Top Hat (1935) - Mark Sandrich
The Producers (1968) - Mel Brooks
Trois Couleurs Bleu/Blanc/Rouge {Three Colours trilogy} (1993-94) - Krzystof Kieslowski
Cabaret (1972) - Bob Fosse
Goldfinger (1964) - Guy Hamilton
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) - David Hand
The Gold Rush (1925) - Charles Chaplin
High Noon (1952) - Fred Zinnemann
Saturday Night Fever (1977) - John Badham
The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) - Michael Curtiz and William Keighley
Enter the Dragon (1973) - Robert Clouse
À Bout de Souffle {Breathless} (1959) - Jean-Luc Godard
Ice Cold in Alex (1958) - Lee Thompson
Bronenosets Potyomkin {The Battleship Potemkin} (1925) - Sergei Eisenstein
The African Queen (1951) - John Huston
The General (1927) - Clyde Bruckman and Buster Keaton
A Hard Day's Night (1964) - Richard Lester
Way Out West (1937) - James W Horne
Henry V (1944) - Laurence Olivier
Easy Rider (1969) - Dennis Hopper
My Beautiful Laundrette (1985) - Stephen Frears
Belle de Jour (1967) - Luis Buñuel
Bride of Frankenstein (1935) - James Whale
The Terminator (1984) - James Cameron
Saturday Night and Sunday Morning (1960) - Karel Reisz
Do the Right Thing (1989) - Spike Lee
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| GypsyDeath |
Posted - 03/25/2004 : 03:07:26
I cant believe that Taxi Driver & The Graduate came so low!!! SLander!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/24/2004 : 15:58:02
quote:
Originally posted by TarTar
The original Blair Witch Project was awesome. Completely revolutionary for horror films, completely turned the genre upside down. Of course, plenty of people without an imagination and people who want lots of blood and thrills didn't get it, but I thought it was outstanding.
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| Domestiques |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 22:02:32
no kevin smith? surely shome mishtake.
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| TarTar |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 22:00:49
The original Blair Witch Project was awesome. Completely revolutionary for horror films, completely turned the genre upside down. Of course, plenty of people without an imagination and people who want lots of blood and thrills didn't get it, but I thought it was outstanding.
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 16:05:42
Ice Cold In Alex is good, I watched that on the recommendation of this program first time it was on, and its a good movie for sure.
For someone who doesn't really drink, I've never seen a cold beer look as attractive as at the end of that film.
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| Stuart |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 16:01:25
Looking at the list again I am surprised that there aren't many classic war movies. For example, The Great Escape needs to be there, as does Stalingrad and maybe Das Boot. I also thought that the Pianist was a cracking movie, despite the fact I thought that it was going to be a load of crud.
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| BLT |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 13:27:41
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Originally posted by TarTar
At least a Buster Keaton film made it onto the list, too. And The General, which has a spectacular train wreck, especially considering it was made in 1927. I believe that AFI's Top 100 list from '98 or so didn't have a single Buster Keaton film on it. How can you have a list of greatest American films without Buster Keaton? It's illogical.
Kudos to you for recognizing this, TarTar. "The General" was the first film I looked for on this list (my "credibility check"). Buster is/was THE MAN. I have the DVD collection on Kino-- absolutely outstanding. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 11:27:48
Oh wait, wait. Another totally selfish and superficial inclusion here that nobody will agree with. Underworld. Miss Beckinsale's beauty alone deserves it's inclusion. Hey it's that or Serendipity. 
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 11:24:47
Perhaps it was too early for City Of God, but I would have liked to have seen it in there none-the-less. I would also have Black Hawk Down in there, as for me it's the greatest war film ever made. Even better than Platoon, Full Metal Jacket and Apocalpyse Now (though they are all worthy of inclusion). Hmm what else........oh the greatest horror films ever, The Shining, The Blair Witch Project (SO many people are gonna disagree with me on that one) and the original Ring. Run Lola Run and La Hain (sic). The Game, Memento and Fight Club.
But hey we all have our own faves that not everyone else is gonna appreciate. Hell, my favourite film ever is Predator. I love it so much that I even love the sequel 'cos it was never about Arnie for me, it was about the Predator. It is the greatest monster/alien design ever for me, even better than Alien (can't wait for the two to have a scrap later this year). And to think that it looked like a shit Pokemon villain at first. Thanks god they changed it.
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| ispini tapaidh |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 07:05:47
Pearl Harbour. |
| Stuart |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 06:55:00
Zardos with Sean Connery
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| Malax |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 06:28:02
Space Truckers with Dennis Hopper don't forget that.
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| vilainde |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 05:18:04
Uh... that's right, Crime & Punishment in Suburbia is pretty crappy. But it has a killer soundtrack!
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| remig |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 05:00:22
they should have listed Stand By Me and The Goonies, too.
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| TarTar |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 04:12:49
Other films that need to be on a Top 100 list:
Crime and Punishment in Suburbia
Perfect Tenant
Joyride (the one w/ Toby McGuire and Benicio Del Toro)
Nail Gun Massacre
Teenage Caveman
Night at the Roxbury
Cherry Falls
If you haven't figured it out yet, this would be Top 100 crappiest films. Yes, even the one with Benicio. It's got plenty of holes in it and no characters are fleshed out a bit. And the characters are morons!
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| offerw |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 02:11:33
Yep, there is definitely a bias towards English films. I thought Four Weddings was entertaining but surely not Top 100 stuff, why did they leave out Mike Leigh though? I'd say both Naked and Secrets and Lies were way more substantial than Four Weddings.
Star Wars was the first film ever to completely take over my life when I saw it in 1980 but I'd have to say putting it at # 1 is a bit of a stretch. Top 10 definitely though.
All About My Mother - Almodovar and Happy Together - Wong Kar Wai are glaring omissions.
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| benji |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 01:44:30
quote:
Originally posted by TarTar
Boondock Saints (Troy Duffy)
while i wouldn't neccessarily say that this movie should be in the top 100, i think it is a fabulous movie, and horribly under-appreciated.
I have watched it many many times, and it's just fabulous.
think an irish-american lock stick and 2 smoking barrels but much much better.
i was glad alien was up there, but thought terminator might have been higher, or actually terminator 2 in there instead.
groundbreaking films i thinks.
but it's not suprising with the lack of foreign films considering this is a British TV station's list....
i'm sure a list drawn up by a french show would be equally biased.
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| IceCream |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 20:56:42
Suprised that Life of Brian made it. I always thought that Holy Grail was more popular. However, I enjoy Life of Brian more than Holy Grail. I agree, but I am surprised.
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| Malax |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 18:26:43
I watched that when it was originally on channel 4, it was rather interesting. As a member of the british public I enjoy my english speaking films and I've seen very few foreign films, I know Im missing out but it just seems a hassle to me to sit down and watch them, after all its purely entertainment. I imagine if it were a French poll or Japanese it would be completely different.
As for the list itself, Gladiator seemed just a typical 'titanic' style movie to me. All right at the time but Im not gonna go out and buy it, or even watch them again. Shawshank Redemption does deserve to be in there, as for star wars well, never seen them but I really do fail to believe its better than say, Pulp Fiction, Godfathers, Raging Bull...........
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| TarTar |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 18:14:19
At least a Buster Keaton film made it onto the list, too. And The General, which has a spectacular train wreck, especially considering it was made in 1927. I believe that AFI's Top 100 list from '98 or so didn't have a single Buster Keaton film on it. How can you have a list of greatest American films without Buster Keaton? It's illogical.
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| Stuart |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 18:08:28
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
There's a bunch of good films there, they're just in the wrong order. Its definitely a 'Channel 4 viewers' vote...
My two cents, I would put Godfather first, but I don't know what after that. Maybe Taxi Driver, maybe Apocalypse Now. Thats two Coppola films, interesting...
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I'd have Godfather Pt.1, 2 and 3 at No.1. Good too see Enter The Dragon making it in there again, quality film... same with Jaws.
Gladiatior is such a fucking awful film, why do people like it, it's crap! Also not too keen on Star Wars, but thats probably because I have overdone watching the movies as opposed to them being crap.
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| Stuart |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 18:07:57
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
There's a bunch of good films there, they're just in the wrong order. Its definitely a 'Channel 4 viewers' vote...
My two cents, I would put Godfather first, but I don't know what after that. Maybe Taxi Driver, maybe Apocalypse Now. Thats two Coppola films, interesting...
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I'd have Godfather Pt.1, 2 and 3 at No.1. Good too see Enter The Dragon making it in there again, quality film... same with Jaws.
Gladiatior is such a fucking awful film, why do people like it, it's crap! Also not too keen on Star Wars, but thats probably because I have overdone watching the movies as opposed to them being crap.
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| TarTar |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 17:48:53
I actually don't disagree with Empire Strikes Back being number one. When I was younger it was my least favorite of the Star Wars trilogy, but now that I'm older and burnt out on the other two films, I really have come to see how powerful it is. I think a big part of it's strength is due to the fact that Leigh Brackett wrote the first draft of the script (before dying of cancer), and Brackett is a great storyteller and strong writer. She did lots of work for Howard Hawks back in the day, Rio Bravo and all of it's sequels. Another reason Empire is much better than the other two films is because George Lucas didn't have much to do with directing or storytelling in that film. Notice I don't even acknowledge the newer films as being part of Star Wars. It's strictly a trilogy. The new movies don't exist as far as I'm concerned.
I mentioned Rio Bravo. I didn't see that on the list. It might not be the greatest film of all time, but it's certainly better than Gladiator!!! While I never really give a fuck about these leasts, I'm always surprised at how quickly they completely discredit themselves. I mean, there are films that I don't care for that I can understand why they were important historically and why many people like them, but GLADIATOR! I couldn't sit through that bullshit. Russell Crowe is a highly overrated actor. He has his place. He worked well in The Insider. But he was a complete jackass-wannabe-badass in Gladiator. "The frost. Sometimes it makes the blade stick." Gimme a fuckin' break!
One cool thing about this list is that the top two films include the original and the sequel. Do The Right Thing should be in the top 30 at least. I must admit that I see no problem with Shawshank being ranked high. I thought that was an excellent film. And Pulp Fiction, well, I consider it to be the definitive movie and I judge all other movies based on Pulp Fiction. I feel like all movies revolve around it. Films that came before it lead up to it's creation, and films that came after it are influenced by it, or try to steer clear of it. I know this is a very narrow way to view things and far from a healthy way to look at films, but Pulp Fiction is THE movie that got me so heavily into cinema, and every shot of that film and every bit of dialogue is crucial to how I view films.
Some films that really deserve to be in a top 100 are: Stranger Than Paradise (Jim Jarmusch), Boondock Saints (Troy Duffy), Mystery Train (Jim Jarmusch), Happiness (Todd Solondz), Riffifi (not sure), Cinema Paradiso (not sure), Wild Strawberries (Ingmar Bergmann), The Untouchables (Brian DePalma), Any Coen Brothers film except for Hudscuker Proxy and Intolerable Cruelty, Crimes and Misdemeanors (Woody Allen), Boyz N The Hood (John Singleton), White Heat (don't know who directed that), Seven (David Fincher) (I bet a lot of people will disagree with that as well as Boyz N The Hood). Bringing Up Baby by Howard Hawks is a great comedy that I never hear much about anymore. And I must admit that I like Harmony Korine, especially Julien Donkey-Boy, even though it's a painful film to watch, as is everything Harmony works on. The first one he wrote, Kids, was awesome, and Larry Clark directed it well. Outstanding acting by the entire cast of that film. Larry Clark hasn't done anything remotely as compelling since Kids, though Another Day In Paradise wasn't bad, just not great. Bully, eh, had a few moments, but overall, bleh. Teenage Caveman, now that was a fucking joke, but I think it was supposed to be a bad horror flick with lots of sex, and that's just what it was. Anyway, this is getting to be a long post. I'll stop typing.
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| Broken Face |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 17:38:19
empire strikes back is a far better fil than the original star wars and deserves to be in the top 100 - the best acting in any of the films, BY FAR the best direction, the most emotion of the stories - watching it recently i was floored by its power
-brian
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| apl4eris |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 15:21:05
How stupid.
No Kurosawa either. My favorite. Harrumph.
edit: I take that back, there is ONE Kurosawa film. But this is still a stupid list.
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 15:04:37
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Originally posted by gracie
Star Wars, please god, who honestly thinks this is the best film of all time? It wasn't even the best film of 1977.
I'd put it there.
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 14:21:44
There's a bunch of good films there, they're just in the wrong order. Its definitely a 'Channel 4 viewers' vote...
My two cents, I would put Godfather first, but I don't know what after that. Maybe Taxi Driver, maybe Apocalypse Now. Thats two Coppola films, interesting...
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| The Calistanian |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 14:15:22
Where's "Teenwolf", "Footloose", any MST3K movie, "Revenge of the Nerds", "The Jerk", "Teenwolf 2", and "Fletch Lives"?
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 11:05:35
Well it wasn't the best thing to come out of 1977.
I was!!! 
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| gracie |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 10:58:34
Star Wars, please god, who honestly thinks this is the best film of all time? It wasn't even the best film of 1977. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 10:14:39
Actually Titanic was number 1 in a poll for "Worst Films Ever" recently. I saw it in a newspaper but thought it was a bollocks poll so I didn't read on. I have seen Problem Child 2 and I can assure you it is far worse than Titanic or any other film for that matter.
Even The Full Monty.
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| offerw |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 08:50:39
TITANIC!!!???? It should be considered one of the top 100 WORST films ever. This list truly stinks. Gladiator, Shawshank.......... it is shameful. Where is Wenders, Almodovar, LeConte, Techine, Jarmusch, WONG KAR-WAI(a genius but James Cameron gets sixth!)!!!!?????
THE CHANNEL 4 LIST STINKS!
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| vilainde |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 08:28:25
Four Weddings and a Fucking Funeral... that made my day.
Denis
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| Broken Face |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 08:13:53
i think that list is crazy - i mean, i agree with a lot of it, but four wedding and a fucking funeral? come on people! ditto for gladiator, get carter, titanic, the terminator and the full monty. and no brazil? come on!
-brian
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| benji |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 08:02:09
well i thought i had used ascending correctly....
but you damn frenchy has put doubt in my mind.
anyways, everyone knows which way i mean.
they compiled the list by having a set of 'experts' initially come up with an unranked list of 100 films and then the public voted to put them in order.
but really, only those who had seen all 100 should have been able to vote....but that would have made for a pretty boring poll.
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