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| GypsyDeath |
Posted - 02/28/2004 : 10:24:59
SO, was having this discussion with some members off here, and decided to open it upto the lot of you..
We were talking about The Beatles and whether a very influential and influesntial band (ever)...or not...
Also in discussion was whether Frank be a better song writer than Lennon/McCartney...
Also whether The beatles were more deseerving of their hype than Nirvana or bands like that?
I thinkit is all relative to the person personally..
Discuss
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 12/05/2005 : 13:14:45
I think that Beatles may be the best band of the 20thCentury, (I always hate 'of all time')
and they were highly influential and they remained highly influential, and will remain highly influential (just like bach, beethoven, gershwin, dylan and Surface Noise, ;) ).
I don't really like their first period, I think the Kinks had better first albums, more agressive, better lyrics, better guitarlicks. I even think the Stones had a better begining (haven't listened to their first record more than once).
things they invented:
-The Album as a collection of songs that are supposed to be tied together
not a collection of singles with a bunch of junk, that will be altered in
every other country were they have different singles. There was a lot of 'move the product' in the 50's/60's. New single? Okay, put them together with the other 3 last singles and let's call it another album. The Beatles were the first, at least the first mainstream act that had the concept of 'album' that we had over the last 40 years and with the internet and the massive downloading of a couple of songs that people like is vanishing a bit.
-The unnamed album (white album? no way, it's called nothing, or 'the beatles'). I believe nobody did that before them
-The numbering of albums (white album) in a way that customers/fans see it and want to have low-numbers and collect them.
-They were a mainstream-act but did lot's of controversial things that make me believe that they were 'real'.
don't think they invented Pop though, remember Elvis? I won't call him an inventor, but he was definately 'pop'.
Ohh and I think lot's of credit should be given in the masterpiece-pop-departement to mr.Brian Wilson circa Pet Sounds/Smile. Lovely
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 12/05/2005 : 11:38:55
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| VoVat |
Posted - 12/05/2005 : 10:54:28
Cranberry sauce.
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 10:02:27
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| GypsyDeath |
Posted - 12/05/2005 : 09:39:10
good lord. it is odd coming back and seeing alot of my threads being revivied.
HAH cheeseman. This thread was never gonna beomce stagnant.
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| Z_Zoquis |
Posted - 12/03/2005 : 05:54:00
Man what a thread. Just the way it goes I suppose. There are young folk running around now poo-pooing the sacrifices brave men made during the world wars too. As time goes by and things fade more and more into the past it becomes easier and easier to write them off as insignificant. The Beatles were HUGE in every possible way. L/M remain the two pop songwriters that every other artist in the genre aspires to whether they know it or not. They wrote a truck-load of virtually perfectly crafted pop songs and almost every important power pop band (and most rock bands in general even if they're trying NOT to sound like the Beatles) since (from Split Enz, Squeeze, Blondie, The Db's, Plimsouls, Big Star, The Raspberries, right up to Nirvana and The New Pornographers and everything in between including FB) has explicitly or implicitly referenced the work they did. I garantee you the man doesn't think he's a better songwriter than L/M. Personally, I like the Velvet Underground better. I find their grittier, noisier style more to my liking. But even the Velvet Underground were influenced by the Beatles. More than any other band of the time, The Beatles shaped the future of Rock & Roll. |
| Carl |
Posted - 12/03/2005 : 04:37:04
The old thread revival continues unabated! :)
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| zub_the_goat |
Posted - 12/03/2005 : 03:59:50
I personally love the beatles, but can see why people would think they are nothing special, however, a lot of the people ive spoken too who had 'been there' when the beatles first arrived on the scene describe how much of a big thing they were, music would be a very different creature today without the beatles |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 12/03/2005 : 03:19:00
quote:
Originally posted by GypsyDeath
I havent seen hicks for ages. hmm...
Maybe he's hiding? It certainly is curious.
I remember a quote from, I think, Lemmy, along the lines of: "everything new that gets done in music, the Beatles did it first."
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| PixieSteve |
Posted - 12/02/2005 : 21:26:50
quote:
Originally posted by IceCream
that's one gigantic gap between the times of the last two posts.
and one gigantic leap in my mind
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| IceCream |
Posted - 12/02/2005 : 21:24:47
that's one gigantic gap between the times of the last two posts. |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 12/02/2005 : 21:19:02
The beatles fucking rock. been listening to them constantly lately.
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| GypsyDeath |
Posted - 03/11/2004 : 03:42:49
So...Who was it that said this thread would die because of my stupid comment at the beginning? haha.
Jim - that hicks qoute, thats one of my fav shows of his. haha.
I havent seen hicks for ages. hmm...
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| BLT |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 18:48:24
quote:
Originally posted by ProverbialCereal
How can he be obsessed with "the greatest rock n roll band ever" and give no credit to black people, when they were the main innovators of the blues? The blues basically gave way to rock and roll.
Derek reminded me of a Julian Cope song.
Well, the blues had a baby and the bastard couldn't sing
So the priest holds the candle and the parents kiss the ring
Someone shouted, 'Let's keep the afterbirth and throw the kid away'
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| ProverbialCereal |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 17:40:42
quote:
Originally posted by TarTar
Well, he also made it a point to talk about how worthless Jewish people and blacks were, since, according to him, no Jewish or black people had ever contributed to the advancement of society in any way.
First there was the Blues, then Rock n Roll and Jazz came out of the Blues, more or less.
How can he be obsessed with "the greatest rock n roll band ever" and give no credit to black people, when they were the main innovators of the blues? The blues basically gave way to rock and roll.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 16:38:17
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At this point, he was so greatly obsessed with Led Zeppelin that it was all he could talk about. There was nothing else but Zep. Well, he also made it a point to talk about how worthless Jewish people and blacks were, since, according to him, no Jewish or black people had ever contributed to the advancement of society in any way. I couldn't fucking believe this blind racist propaganda he was tossing at me, and I let him know he was wrong. I stopped hanging out with him pretty quickly.
And that guy grew up to be...Mad Dawg.
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| The Calistanian |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 12:50:07
Well, I think we've proven that when a person likes or dislikes a band, it's based on more than how similar or different they are. Really, if a person likes the Beatles, then based on my theory, that same person should like the Monkees, which is wrong. So, other factors come into play...like styles of individual musicians, voice qualities, the musician's personality, the musician's beliefs, other various experiences regarding the band, all affect our opinion of a band. Good stuff, TarTar, you've added insight into my understanding of why people do or do not like bands.
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| TarTar |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 12:31:07
I used to hang out with this guy named Kil who thought he was an intellectual champion, and couldn't stop boasting about the fact that he had a girlfriend who had sex with him. He'd say, "I used to be such a nerd." And we would say, "Dude, you're still a nerd." He would say, "Really? Well, I guess now I'm a nerd that gets laid." Besides for that, all he ever talked about was Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin. It was just Jimmy Page this and Robert Plant that. Actually, it was funny, cuz when I met him, the only name in the band he knew was Jimmy Page, I believe he even thought Jimmy Page sang. I had correct him on so many things. I think he used to call Roger Waters "Roger Walters," and he pronounced the word medley "melody". He also was a complete jackass. One time, a bunch of us were hanging out at his place, getting stoned. We had just been recounting an incident from a few days ago where Kil had been throwing chicken off the balcony of his apartment. A few minutes later, there was a discussion about pussy eating, I believe, and Kil said, "Hey, you are what you eat." And I decided this would be a good time to tell this group about a friend of mines aesthetic as an artist, "You are what you throw away," because he collects trash and discarded objects and incorporates them into his work. He feels that peoples trash really show who they are. So I said, "I thought it was, you are what you throw away." And Kil said, "I don't get it." Someone else said, "Chicken." Now I didn't intend for that to be what it was, but I didn't get a chance to say that. Kil immediately says, "Oh, I'll put that on my list of things to do. Laugh at Pete's jokes." Then everyone laughed. Here I am, stoned at the age of 18 so I'm so much more affected by this bashing of me, it PISSED ME OFF cuz he had totally misunderstood me and tried to mock me. I never did explain it, but man it made me want to sock the bastard. I eventually stopped hanging out with him. About 8 months later, I ran into him and we tried to become friends again. At this point, he was so greatly obsessed with Led Zeppelin that it was all he could talk about. There was nothing else but Zep. Well, he also made it a point to talk about how worthless Jewish people and blacks were, since, according to him, no Jewish or black people had ever contributed to the advancement of society in any way. I couldn't fucking believe this blind racist propaganda he was tossing at me, and I let him know he was wrong. I stopped hanging out with him pretty quickly. But yeah, I think a big part of my dislike for Zeppelin is rooted in the whole experience of knowing that douchebag.
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| BLT |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 09:04:51
quote:
Originally posted by GoddessTheory
That's cause George Harrison wrote it!
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| The Calistanian |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 08:33:06
Well, my favorite band is the Pixies/FB, and none of them are at the technical level of Led Zeppelin, yet they do write great songs, so yes TarTar, you're right that the technical aspect is not the only thing that matters. Good point...once again I post something before it's thought out. I think I was mainly trying to compare them to the Beatles in that they are not so different from them...I don't see how you can love the Beatles and absolutely hate Led Zeppelin...it doesn't make any sense. They are similar on so many levels...Led Zeppelin being a pop band basically. As with the Pixies...I don't understand how people can love them, but absolutely hate the Beatles and Led Zeppelin...they have so many similar entities it's not even funny.
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| TarTar |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 00:18:14
Um, yes, I guess I can't deny Zeppelin as musician, but I don't think that's really what counts. It can play a role, but it's not the only thing factoring in. People who aren't so talented at playing their instruments can write amazing songs. And just because someone can wail on their instrument of choice doesn't mean they can write a song. I'm not saying Zeppelin couldn't write songs, I'm just saying that the technical skill level of playing is not the only thing that counts, it's not the only part of talent when it comes to music. And perhaps by saying as musicians, you didn't mean playing chops exclusively, but that's how I took it.
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| GoddessTheory |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 20:26:37
That's cause George Harrison wrote it! |
| El Barto |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 19:20:40
Wasn't Ringo the first most successful solo Beatle after the split? Fucking depressing. I had no idea "It Don't Come Easy" was Ringo...that's actually a decent song.
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| cvanepps |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 08:44:47
A few years ago the Howard Stern Show sent "ambush interviewer" Suttering John to interview Ringo Starr. One of John's funnier questions to Ringo was...
"What did you do with all the money your mother gave you for singing lessons?"
Ringo quickly replied...
"Bought fish & chips."
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| The Calistanian |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 08:35:53
The great thing about the Beatles is that I like all of the songwriters in their own way, especially Harrison, being very underrated.
And get this, I like Led Zeppelin. "The Lemon Song" may be the best song ever. You can't deny how good of musicians they were. Don't even try.
The top four guys in rock that can belt it out: Black Francis, Robert Plant, Chris Cornell, and Chris Robinson. I'm sure I'll be crucified because the latter three are so "mainstream", but it doesn't mean they're not good. For those who are so down on Led Zeppelin, just listen to an album like "Physical Graffiti"...great stuff. Led Zeppelin II contains the best rock bass-playing ever. You can't deny them as musicians...which is really what counts.
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| Steak n Sabre |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 07:34:25
Ringo's "It Don't Come Easy" was a huge hit when it came out, I still have the single, and I think it's better than any of Pauls' solo work...
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| ProverbialCereal |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 21:42:57
I agree. Harrison, Lennon, and McCartney could all write a great song. Ringo... well, yeah he played drums in a way that suited the Beatles. At least he can somewhat carry a tune..
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| Chris Knight |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 21:16:47
I like Ringo. He's obviously not a perfect singer, but he has a nice, "chummy" sort of voice.
One thing that can be said about the Beatles that can't be said about very many rock bands is that every single member had a musical ear and could write/sing. I think that was probably a major factor in ensuring their popularity. |
| ProverbialCereal |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 20:25:30
Ringo is in no way the Renaissance man that Dave Grohl is.
Ringo should have stayed behind his trapset. I can just imagine when Ringo was laying down a vocal track:
John: C'mon Ringo, you can do it. Just one more chorus and all our agony will be gone.
Paul: Yeah, we're here for you even if you suck
George: Way to go, buddy. Maybe if this submarine song does well, we'll let you do an Octopuss song
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| El Barto |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 20:17:07
Fucking Ringo. Bill Hicks said it best (I downloaded a bootleg of his). Something like "The Beatles were so fucking high, they even let Ringo sing a few songs."
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| WolfManMikeLonely |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 19:53:43
I personally think that all these bands that have been mentioned our overrated at least a little and in different areas. The guy that said Lou Reed can't carry a tune is a moron if he truly believes that though, Lou Reed may have a delivery that isn't all that normal(very monotone, Malkmus and Reed seem to be two of the most monotone singers ever) but he hits the notes. Also to say the Velvets aren't talented musically would be insane, if you consider all the musical chops that just John Cale has by himself. I'm not big Beatles fan, and I doubt I ever will be but I appreciate their place in music history, just not really my thing, but I don't bar them because I know I've said how much I've hated so many bands before in my life only to realize their greatness later and have to eat my words. Led Zeppelin though is one band that was brought up that I will always stand by hating in fact I'd have to say I agree with "I Hate Led Zeppelin" by Screeching Weasel completely. I think I had some more points to make but they escape me now so I'll end it here.
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| ProverbialCereal |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 15:19:23
I actually like the guitar intro to Octopusses Garden, but it all goes downhill from there.
I don't hate "Yellow Submarine," I just can't stand hearing people sing that song like it's the only Beatles song they know. Couldn't they sing Eleanor Rigby or something?
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| PixieSteve |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 14:35:29
Still waiting for The Beatles to be just a distant memory... like Beethoven, or whatever. No ones talking about him much here, even though he was very influential and revolutionised music at the time. They may have been good in their time (The Beatles), and created a lot of new styles etc. but the fact remains that since then people have got a lot better at doing what they did and have taken music even further. Yes, they're important, influential, blah blah, but music has improved *IMO* and listening to The Beatles soley because they were influential seems pointless to me.
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| GoddessTheory |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 13:50:30
quote:
Originally posted by ProverbialCereal
There are definitely more than 2 (or 3 for that matter) types of Beatles fans.
Of course, you could say:
There are 2 types of Beatles fans - those who like the song "Yellow Submarine," and those who don't. Actually, you probably aren't really a Beatles fan if you like it.
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Well, I love The Beatles and I don;t hate Yellow Submarine because I like the idea better than OCTOFUCKINGPUSSES GARDEN.
Now that song is horrid.
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| Marcel |
Posted - 03/02/2004 : 13:41:36
I too am a huge fan of The Beatles. I like all albums (and yes, I dislike Yellow Submarine as well ;)
I think it's obvious that The Beatles have had a great influence on present day's music (if not all music since, let's say, 1961).
Most Beatles albums are full with very good songs (nearly perfect) and some songs are not that good. I think this is a common thing with musicians: it has happened to Pixies/Frank Black as well...
Regarding their influence:
Ask one person on the street whether he/she knows the Beatles and the answer must be positive (unless you're on Mars :) Ask the same eprson whether he/she knows FB/Pixies and the answer will probably be negative. There's the influence the Beatles have had!
I disagree about the Beatles being overrated: there are so many Beatles songs which are just pure genius! To name but a few: I Am The Walrus, Taxman, Helter Skelter, Happiness Is A Warm Gun, Day In The Life, Get Back, and so on and so on... It's like what have been said before on this board you'll have to see their music in the right perspective. The sixties was a period with a huge music revolution (no need to explain that here, do I?). The Beatles were experimenting with different styles of music. The best example being the White Album. Every Beatle has written songs for that album (finally giving credit to Harrison's writing abilities!). Paul, as usual, wrote many songs, BUT if you look at the different styles on that album it's got many! There's punk-ish (Helter Skelter), experimental (Happiness Is A Warm Gun), twenties period (Honey Pie), melancholic (Dear Prudence), rock-ish (Glass Onion): you see there are loads of styles here! And what's probably the best thing about this: they are nearly all perfect songs! Try to beat that (there are about thirty songs on this double LP!)!
Anyway I just wanted to add something to this discussion by saying that The Beatles DO have a great influence on music.
Enough lectured today...
Marcel (who's listening to the White Album at the moment :))
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