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| coastline |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 13:02:40
Here's another arrogant list of the most essential, or definitive, or best, or whatever albums of all-time, this time decided by the U.S. National Association of Recording Merchandisers.
There are so many problems with this list, it's hard to begin. Jewel, Janet Jackson and Faith Hill are on there, and Shania Twain even landed at #21. But no Pixies. The "Forrest Gump" soundtrack made it, but the Pixies didn't. Avril freaking Lavigne, but no Pixies! Kenny G! Bon Jovi! Argh.
Below is the list, which came out this week, and here's a link to the organization's website about it: www.definitive200.com/index.html
1 BEATLES SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND 1967
2 PINK FLOYD DARK SIDE OF THE MOON 1973
3 MICHAEL JACKSON THRILLER 1982
4 LED ZEPPELIN LED ZEPPELIN IV 1971
5 U2 JOSHUA TREE 1987
6 ROLLING STONES EXILE ON MAIN STREET 1972
7 CAROLE KING TAPESTRY 1971
8 BOB DYLAN HIGHWAY '61 REVISITED 1965
9 BEACH BOYS PET SOUNDS 1966
10 NIRVANA NEVERMIND 1991
11 PEARL JAM TEN 1991
12 BEATLES ABBEY ROAD 1969
13 SANTANA SUPERNATURAL 1999
14 METALLICA METALLICA 1991
15 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN BORN TO RUN 1975
16 PRINCE PURPLE RAIN 1984
17 AC/DC BACK IN BLACK 1980
18 ROLLING STONES LET IT BLEED 1969
19 DOORS DOORS 1967
20 GRATEFUL DEAD AMERICAN BEAUTY 1970
21 SHANIA TWAIN COME ON OVER 1997
22 WHO WHO'S NEXT 1971
23 STEVIE WONDER SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE 1976
24 FLEETWOOD MAC RUMOURS 1977
25 PINK FLOYD WALL 1979
26 ALANIS MORISSETTE JAGGED LITTLE PILL 1995
27 NORAH JONES COME AWAY WITH ME 2002
28 EMINEM MARSHALL MATHERS LP 2000
29 OUTKAST SPEAKERBOXX-LOVE BELOW 2003
30 DR. DRE CHRONIC 1992
31 BEASTIE BOYS LICENSED TO ILL 1986
32 GUNS 'N ROSES APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION 1987
33 DIXIE CHICKS WIDE OPEN SPACES 1998
34 MILES DAVIS KIND OF BLUE 1959
35 EAGLES HOTEL CALIFORNIA 1976
36 DEF LEPPARD HYSTERIA 1987
37 SOUNDTRACK GREASE 1980
38 MARVIN GAYE WHAT'S GOING ON 1978
39 BEATLES WHITE ALBUM 1968
40 SOUNDTRACK SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER 1977
41 JIMI HENDRIX ARE YOU EXPERIENCED? 1967
42 BEATLES REVOLVER 1966
43 BOSTON BOSTON 1976
44 BON JOVI SLIPPERY WHEN WET 1986
45 U2 ACHTUNG BABY 1991
46 WHITNEY HOUSTON WHITNEY HOUSTON 1985
47 LED ZEPPELIN LED ZEPPELIN II 1969
48 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND CRASH 1996
49 ROLLING STONES STICKY FINGERS 1971
50 GREEN DAY DOOKIE 1994
51 LED ZEPPELIN HOUSES OF THE HOLY 1973
52 JONI MITCHELL BLUE 1971
53 ELVIS PRESLEY ELVIS AT SUN 2004
54 AEROSMITH TOYS IN THE ATTIC 1975
55 LAURYN HILL MISEDUCATION OF LAURYN HILL 1998
56 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN BORN IN THE U.S.A. 1984
57 50 CENT GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN' 2003
58 AC/DC HIGHWAY TO HELL 1979
59 NOTORIOUS B.I.G. LIFE AFTER DEATH 1997
60 VAN HALEN VAN HALEN 1978
61 GREEN DAY AMERICAN IDIOT 2004
62 BLACK SABBATH PARANOID 1971
63 EMINEM EMINEM SHOW 2000
64 JEWEL PIECES OF YOU 1995
65 COLDPLAY RUSH OF BLOOD TO THE HEAD 2002
66 MEATLOAF BAT OUT OF HELL 1977
67 USHER CONFESSIONS 2004
68 KID ROCK DEVIL WITHOUT A CAUSE 1998
69 GEORGE HARRISON ALL THINGS MUST PASS 1970
70 BILLY JOEL STRANGER 1977
71 EAGLES HELL FREEZES OVER 1994
72 VAN MORRISON MOONDANCE 1970
73 REM AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE 1992
74 PHIL COLLINS NO JACKET REQUIRED 1985
75 METALLICA MASTER OF PUPPETS 1986
76 FAITH HILL BREATHE 1999
77 JOHNNY CASH AT FOLSOM PRISON 1968
78 JOHN COLTRANE LOVE SUPREME 1964
79 PINK FLOYD WISH YOU WERE HERE 1975
80 MICHAEL JACKSON OFF THE WALL 1979
81 MARVIN GAYE LET'S GET IT ON 1973
82 BOB SEGER NIGHT MOVES 1976
83 PAUL SIMON GRACELAND 1986
84 LINKIN PARK HYBRID THEORY 2000
85 PRINCE 1999 1983
86 DEF LEPPARD PYROMANIA 1983
87 JANET JACKSON CONTROL 1986
88 RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS BLOOD SUGAR SEX MAGIK 1991
89 DIRE STRAITS BROTHERS IN ARMS 1985
90 TUPAC ALL EYEZ ON ME 1996
91 MATCHBOX TWENTY YOURSELF OR SOMEONE LIKE YOU 1996
92 RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS CALIFORNICATION 1999
93 LED ZEPPELIN PHYSICAL GRAFFITI 1975
94 NELLY COUNTRY GRAMMAR 2000
95 CREED HUMAN CLAY 1999
96 CLASH LONDON CALLING 1979
97 CELINE DION FALLING INTO YOU 1996
98 NEIL YOUNG HARVEST 1972
99 SOUNDTRACK DIRTY DANCING 1987
100 DIXIE CHICKS HOME 2002
101 TOM PETTY FULL MOON FEVER 1989
102 VAN HALEN 1984 1984
103 SOUNDTRACK TITANIC 1997
104 CROSBY STILLS & NASH DEJA VU 1970
105 TLC CRAZYSEXYCOOL 1999
106 BECK ODELAY 1994
107 KENNY G BREATHLESS 1992
108 NWA. STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON 1989
109 SEX PISTOLS NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS 1977
110 BEATLES RUBBER SOUL 1965
111 RADIOHEAD O.K. COMPUTER 1997
112 SIMON & GARFUNKEL BRIDGE OVER TROUBLE WATER 1970
113 DIXIE CHICKS FLY 1999
114 METALLICA AND JUSTICE FOR ALL 1988
115 MICHAEL JACKSON DANGEROUS 1991
116 MARIAH CAREY DAYDREAM 1995
117 SOUNDTRACK TOP GUN 1999
118 ELTON JOHN GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD 1973
119 POLICE SYNCHRONICITY 1983
120 NO DOUBT TRAGIC KINGDOM 1995
121 ROLLING STONES BEGGAR'S BANQUET 1968
122 R KELLY R 1998
123 TOOL LATERALUS 2001
124 OASIS WHAT'S THE STORY MORNING GLORY 1995
125 BOB MARLEY EXODUS 1977
126 JOURNEY ESCAPE 1981
127 CHRISTINA AGUILERA CHRISTINA AGUILERA 1999
128 JAY-Z BLUEPRINT 2001
129 ALICIA KEYS DIARY OF ALICIA KEYS 2003
130 SOUNDTRACK O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU? 2000
131 CARS CARS 1978
132 ENYA DAY WITHOUT RAIN 2000
133 NATALIE COLE UNFORGETTABLE WITH LOVE NATALIE COLE 1991
134 SOUNDTRACK FOOTLOOSE 1984
135 LIONEL RICHIE CAN'T SLOW DOWN 1983
136 SARAH MCLACHLAN SURFACING 1997
137 BONNIE RAITT NICK OF TIME 1989
138 METALLICA RIDE THE LIGHTNING 1984
139 SHERYL CROW TUESDAY NIGHT MUSIC CLUB 1993
140 FRANK SINATRA IN THE WEE SMALL HOURS 1954
141 EARTH WIND FIRE GRATITUDE 1975
142 ZZ TOP ELIMINATOR 1983
143 WILLIE NELSON RED HEADED STRANGER 1975
144 JOHN LENNON IMAGINE 1971
145 TONI BRAXTON TONI BRAXTON 1993
146 ETTA JAMES AT LAST 1961
147 ELVIS PRESLEY ELVIS PRESLEY 1956
148 CAT STEVENS TEA FOR THE TILLERMAN 1970
149 SMASHING PUMPKINS MELLON COLLIE & THE INFINITE SADNESS 1995
150 DAVE BRUBECK TIME OUT 1959
151 JANET JACKSON JANET 1993
152 QUEEN A NIGHT AT THE OPERA 1975
153 OZZY OSBOURNE BLIZZARD OF OZZ 1980
154 WILL SMITH BIG WILLIE STYLE 1997
155 PRINCE SIGN OF THE TIMES 1987
156 PUBLIC ENEMY IT TAKES A NATION OF MILLIONS TO HOLD US BACK 1988
157 BOB DYLAN BLOOD ON THE TRACKS 1975
158 GEORGE MICHAEL FAITH 1987
159 BOYZ II MEN COOLEYHIGHHARMONY 1993
160 DESTINY'S CHILD WRITING'S ON THE WALL 1999
161 JAY-Z BLACK ALBUM 2003
162 AVRIL LAVIGNE LET GO 2002
163 FUGEES SCORE 1996
164 MADONNA LIKE A VIRGIN 1984
165 LED ZEPPELIN LED ZEPPELIN 1969
166 STEVIE RAY VAUGHN TEXAS FLOOD 1983
167 STONE TEMPLE PILOTS CORE 1992
168 ORIGINAL CAST PHANTOM OF THE OPERA HIGHLIGHTS 1988
169 JETHRO TULL AQUALUNG 1971
170 TUPAC ME AGAINST THE WORLD 1995
171 DAVID BOWIE RISE AND FALL OF ZIGGY STARDUST 1972
172 SHAKIRA LAUNDRY SERVICE 2002
173 SOUNDTRACK FORREST GUMP 2001
174 AL GREEN CALL ME 1973
175 CURTIS MAYFIELD SUPERFLY 1997
176 LIVE THROWING COPPER 1994
177 GEORGE BENSON BREEZIN' 1976
178 WHITE STRIPES WHITE BLOOD CELLS 2001
179 LYNYRD SKYNYRD PRONOUNCED LEH-NERD SKIN-ERD 1973
180 SADE DIAMOND LIFE 1984
181 FLEETWOOD MAC FLEETWOOD MAC 1975
182 PAUL MCCARTNEY & WINGS BAND ON THE RUN 1973
183 BEYONCE DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 2003
184 ANITA BAKER RAPTURE 1986
185 NAS IIIMATIC 1994
186 BARBARA STREISAND A STAR IS BORN 1976
187 EARTH WIND FIRE THAT'S THE WAY OF THE WORLD 1975
188 ANITA BAKER RHYTHM OF LOVE 1994
189 JAY-Z IN MY LIFETIME VOL 1 1997
190 LL COOL J MAMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT 1990
191 STEELY DAN AJA 1977
192 WILLIE NELSON STARDUST 1978
193 ARETHA FRANKLIN SPARKLE 1976
194 ANDREA BOCELLI ANDREA 2004
195 BOB DYLAN BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME 1965
196 LUTHER VANDROSS NEVER TOO MUCH 1981
197 U2 ALL THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE BEHIND 2000
198 RUSH 2112 1976
199 OUTKAST AQUEMINI 1998
200 GRAND FUNK RAILROAD WE'RE AN AMERICAN BAND 1973
 Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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| HeywoodJablome |
Posted - 03/16/2007 : 07:29:07
Are they just going by sales figures to make that list? At any rate, this shit never ceases to crack me up. Alanis Morrissette, Grateful Dead and Faith Hill? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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| Jefrey |
Posted - 03/16/2007 : 00:35:45
quote:
Originally posted by jackruby
I am the exact opposite. I love Pet Sounds, but apart from it and Smile (the original version) I can't stand the Beach Boys. Same with the Kinks--I love We are the Village Green Preservation Society but I don't care much for the rest of their stuff.
If you ever have a chance to hear the original version of the Beach Boys' Smile(y Smile)do it. It is absolutely amazing.
I got the new Brian Wilson rerecording of Smile, and really liked it, but only listened to it about 5 or 6 times and put it away. I haven't heard the original "Smile" - it takes some effort to get all the piece and put it together, doesn't it? I'd be interested to hear it.
I guess I just don't "get it" on Pet Sounds and Village Green. On the other hand, I "get" that Pink Floyd is totally genius, I just don't enjoy it. With Pet Sounds, I just feel like it's totally overrated.
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| IceCream |
Posted - 03/15/2007 : 20:12:57
quote:
Where's "Crooked Rain Crooked Rain" by Pavement, or "Bee Thousand" by Guided By Voices?
Good question, TarTar. They'll both be listed in the top 20 on any Pitchfork Media list. |
| jackruby |
Posted - 03/14/2007 : 14:00:30
I am the exact opposite. I love Pet Sounds, but apart from it and Smile (the original version) I can't stand the Beach Boys. Same with the Kinks--I love We are the Village Green Preservation Society but I don't care much for the rest of their stuff.
If you ever have a chance to hear the original version of the Beach Boys' Smile(y Smile)do it. It is absolutely amazing. |
| Jefrey |
Posted - 03/13/2007 : 00:41:39
Am I the only person in the world that doesn't "get" Pet Sounds? I've tried to listen to it about 20 times, and I'm so thoroughly bored it's like pulling teeth. And I really love the Beach Boys. I just can't stand Pet Sounds. Especially when it gets compared to Sgt. Peppers (which I agree is not the Beatles best, it's just the one that really grabs your attention as something different - plus they have those ridiculous costumes!). Whenever I try to listen to Pet Sounds, I think, "I'd really rather be listening to Sgt. Peppers."
Same thing with the Kinks "Green Village Preservation Society" - it's so lauded, but 75% of the album bores me to hell. Did you have to "be there" when it came out to get it? There are songs on both albums that I love, but as a whole, I can't stand them.
No comment on the rest of the crappy lists. Well, except that they are crap.
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| Steak n Sabre |
Posted - 03/12/2007 : 21:29:59
172 Kelly Clarkson
173 Sonic Youth
Interesting, indeed....
 What?... Me Worry???  |
| awestruck |
Posted - 03/11/2007 : 17:42:22
What is wrong with people? Radios have to have cryptic messages or something. People who only listen to what is played on the radio are just so sadly being misled. I know. I was one of those sad sad people. Thankfully, no more. Thank you FB and the Pixies! |
| coastline |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 09:30:32
Thanks for that, remig. That list is so much more real.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
| vilainde |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 09:27:32
quote:
Originally posted by coastline
1 BEATLES SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND 1967
2 PINK FLOYD DARK SIDE OF THE MOON 1973
I stopped reading there.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say." |
| remig |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 09:19:38
I think charts on Last.fm are much more interresting:
The 200 bands that more then 65000 users of last.fm listened last week:
1 Red Hot Chili Peppers
2 The Beatles
3 Radiohead
4 Coldplay
5 Muse
6 The Killers
7 Metallica
8 Nirvana
9 Death Cab for Cutie
10 Bloc Party
11 Pink Floyd
12 Fall Out Boy
13 Green Day
14 System of a Down
15 The Arcade Fire
16 The Shins
17 Oasis
18 Led Zeppelin
19 Incubus
20 My Chemical Romance
21 Snow Patrol
22 U2
23 Queen
24 Placebo
25 Modest Mouse
26 blink-182
27 Foo Fighters
28 Nine Inch Nails
29 The White Stripes
30 The Cure
31 Justin Timberlake
32 Nelly Furtado
33 Beck
34 The Smashing Pumpkins
35 The Strokes
36 David Bowie
37 Linkin Park
38 Gorillaz
39 Franz Ferdinand
40 Arctic Monkeys
41 Johnny Cash
42 Bob Dylan
43 Rammstein
44 Depeche Mode
45 Weezer
46 Sufjan Stevens
47 Evanescence
48 The Postal Service
49 Bright Eyes
50 The Rolling Stones
51 AIR
52 Rage Against the Machine
53 Tool
54 Guns N' Roses
55 The Offspring
56 Ko?n
57 R.E.M.
58 Belle and Sebastian
59 Jack Johnson
60 Jimmy Eat World
61 [unknown]
62 Panic! At the Disco
63 Kaiser Chiefs
64 Eminem
65 Madonna
66 Iron Maiden
67 Pixies
68 The Doors
69 Moby
70 The Decemberists
71 Regina Spektor
72 Pearl Jam
73 The Clash
74 AC/DC
75 Interpol
76 AFI
77 Queens of the Stone Age
78 Daft Punk
79 The Prodigy
80 Damien Rice
81 Marilyn Manson
82 Taking Back Sunday
83 Elliott Smith
84 Sigur Rós
85 The Smiths
86 Blur
87 Björk
88 Brand New
89 Yeah Yeah Yeahs
90 Massive Attack
91 The Fray
92 In Flames
93 Jimi Hendrix
94 Keane
95 Avril Lavigne
96 Aerosmith
97 Audioslave
98 A Perfect Circle
99 Gwen Stefani
100 The Who
101 30 Seconds to Mars
102 Beastie Boys
103 Tenacious D
104 Deftones
105 Nickelback
106 Nightwish
107 Of Montreal
108 John Mayer
109 The All-American Rejects
110 Slipknot
111 Dashboard Confessional
112 Black Eyed Peas
113 Ramones
114 The Flaming Lips
115 Michael Jackson
116 The Kooks
117 Simon & Garfunkel
118 Billy Talent
119 Broken Social Scene
120 Disturbed
121 Sublime
122 No Doubt
123 Gnarls Barkley
124 Explosions in the Sky
125 OutKast
126 3 Doors Down
127 Kanye West
128 Sum 41
129 Black Sabbath
130 The Beach Boys
131 The Cranberries
132 Rise Against
133 Christina Aguilera
134 Lily Allen
135 Goo Goo Dolls
136 Imogen Heap
137 The Chemical Brothers
138 Alanis Morissette
139 Bob Marley
140 lostprophets
141 Counting Crows
142 Garbage
143 Jay-Z
144 Limp Bizkit
145 Papa Roach
146 Robbie Williams
147 CAKE
148 Children of Bodom
149 The Mars Volta
150 The Velvet Underground
151 Iron & Wine
152 Dream Theater
153 Norah Jones
154 Scissor Sisters
155 The Police
156 Hellogoodbye
157 Bloodhound Gang
158 The Used
159 Eric Clapton
160 Beyoncé
161 New Order
162 Fatboy Slim
163 Portishead
164 Jamiroquai
165 Cat Power
166 HiM
167 Röyksopp
168 Aphex Twin
169 Yellowcard
170 Maroon 5
171 The Knife
172 Kelly Clarkson
173 Sonic Youth
174 Mika
175 Good Charlotte
176 The Cardigans
177 Klaxons
178 Elton John
179 Joy Division
180 Mogwai
181 Bon Jovi
182 Coheed and Cambria
183 OK Go
184 Pantera
185 Tom Waits
186 Jeff Buckley
187 Slayer
188 Dave Matthews Band
189 Gym Class Heroes
190 2Pac
191 Wilco
192 Tori Amos
193 Zero 7
194 Jet
195 TV on the Radio
196 Pink
197 Fergie
198 Opeth
199 Bullet For My Valentine
200 The Fratellis
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| TarTar |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 16:54:22
I'm always annoyed with Sgt. Pepper being considered the milestone achievement of The Beatles. I understand it broke a lot of ground for both the band and popular music, but I don't think it's their best songwriting, and certainly doesn't rock that much. I think Rubber Soul, The White Album and Abbey Road have far more to offer in the song department and even creativity and diversity.
I also don't trust any list that doesn't have Dre's The Chronic in the Top 25! Sure, 30 ain't bad, but he was beat by The Wall!
These lists seem compiled by a VH1 watcher who also tunes into the classic rock station. They obviously don't know their Pink Floyd. Just put all the obvious popular records in there, never sift and listen to all the gems lying outside the radio. Where's "Crooked Rain Crooked Rain" by Pavement, or "Bee Thousand" by Guided By Voices. The Replacements "Tim" or "Let It Be"? Immortal Tehcnique's "Revolutionary Vol. 2"?
Actually, VH1 has better lists than this, come to think of it.
Note to Darwin: They DID acknowledge Coltrane's "Love Supreme" (#78)! They still must die!
My life is dirt but you seem to make it cleaner... reduce my felony to a misdemeanor |
| speedy_m |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 14:30:01
Finally, Creed gets their due. The U.S. National Association of Recording Merchandisers? Serioulsy? Next up: a list of the "definitive 50" restaurants, compiled by the the U.S. National Association of French Fry Oil Producers.
maybe I'll kick it
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| darwin |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 14:18:16
I was going to go off on a rant about Shania Twain at 21, but then I read your message and saw you had already done that. Instead I'll point out that there are only 2 jazz albums on the whole list and they're the standard ones on every list (Kind of Blue and Out of Time). Duke Ellington and his boys should rise from their graves and smite the motherfuckers that made this list. |
| jackruby |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 14:04:32
Frank Black's ok and everything, but this list is right: Boyz II Men are far more "essential" than Frank Black. Barf.
I'd rather slam my nuts in a door than have to listen to Jay Z, Tupac, Kid Rock, and the Grease Soundtrack.
Oh, and Titanic Soundtrack?...Titanic Soundtrack?
Good to see Ziggy Stardust and Aja--althought they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too far down on the list |
