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| mosleyk |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 07:53:35
I guess I just wanted to start a general discussion about recent developments. Curious how others have been affected, thoughts, people still going to fly....etc.
I was glued to my TV as long as I could this morning before I had to get ready for work. Sounds like the lines of the airports once again will be a mile long. My jaw absolutely dropped when I heard the news. Strangely enough I spontaneously cancelled a trip to LA (in the next couple of weeks) yesterday before the news broke. It was work related, but I just didn't want to go (I honestly had a feeling about it) so I emailed my boss and said I would like to skip the Fall meeting. Since I am already not fond of flying today's news sealed the deal for me.
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| PixieSteve |
Posted - 08/12/2006 : 02:32:23
dude, i think the towel thing is more to do with the culture of particular countries rather than just the religion. i grew up in a town with over 15,000 muslims and the only people who really wore turbans were the sikh's.
anyway, i was wondering if bush is planning to attack the UK, seeing as it harbours terrorists..
FAST_MAN RAIDER_MAN - June 19th |
| edbanky |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 20:43:50
quote:
Originally posted by floop
quote:
Originally posted by edbanky
I own an authentic one of these contrivances; it's actually extremely liquid absorbant.
i think it's only fair that if you post something like that you should include a picture of yourself wearing said tablecloth-like adornment (with fake moustache please)
"i own Mailbu."
Ready to rock, Floop. Not to overstep into your territory, but I've got a real-life beard to go with it. On my flights to/from Paris, I was stopped at every checkpoint-and-a-half I encountered. It made me happy. I'll find a representative shot; I've got Jewish blood and, apart from a pale complexion, could sure pass as a mid-easterner.*
Star:
I indeed might watch too much TV, but my observational experience comes from my time on the streets of Jiddah and Riyadh, among groups of desert bedouins, and along the little market side-streets of places like Hail, in Saudi Arabia.
But you're alright. I confess that I might've mixed you up in my head with a few other posters, for which I feel bad. I don't happen to agree about the towel thing being a racial slur, but I wouldn't use it myself either.
*Here's me on the flight home from Paris. It's huge, and not for the squeamish.
Due to my present condition and predicaments of being a crippled as a result of the fatal accident that I had, I am not able to carry out this contract because I can only walk on a wheel chair. |
| floop |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 15:50:43
quote:
Originally posted by edbanky
I own an authentic one of these contrivances; it's actually extremely liquid absorbant.
i think it's only fair that if you post something like that you should include a picture of yourself wearing said tablecloth-like adornment (with fake moustache please)
"i own Mailbu." |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 15:29:06
I suspect you watch far too much television.
I think it's bullshit to decide you can tell a muslim by face value alone. Whilst there are those who will wear headscarves the only restriction placed on male muslim dress is that it be modest. That they be covered from knee to navel and that in public their arms and legs should be covered. There is some thought that the muslim male should cover their hair also but this can take place in the form of a turban, headscarf or skullcap and isn't strictly followed. If racial stereotypes are all you have to go on here it is a sorry state indeed.
Further to that (and this is in the vein of political correctness as well as just pissing me off) it's a racial slur and seeing as we're all grown ups here (I hope) I don't want any such terminology in this discussion.
OK? |
| ScottP |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 14:57:11
Oh yeah?!? How would YOU like it if some one called you "baseball hat head", or perhaps "sunglasses face"?
Not so funny anymore, is it? I didn't think so... |
| edbanky |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 14:19:30
The grass in always greener on my ball sack. My left-wing media is your right-wing media.
Again with the Bush Administration being simultaneously grave/dangerous/evil and silly/lighthearted/incompetent.
Perhaps kindly give some examples of this:
"so here they're just basically a mouth piece of the bush/right wing/new world order agenda. the bush adminstration puts the spin on everything and then on top of it the media over hypes it so everyone is supposed to be so fearful."
Leave it to a liberal to proclaim that despite well-documented acknowledgment of left-leaningness, being predominantly democrat, and being nowhere near representing a similar spectrum of opinion to that of its audience, the media is somehow able to refrain from exhibiting bias. It's how you end up with organizations like the self-proclaimed "Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting" whose head-in-the-clouds eliteism has them branding their outright fanatical opposition to the right as FAIR.
Let me guess; you're also unbiased? Call a spade a spade already.
Lest there are those remaining who choose to deny that American journalists and their ilk are overwhelmingly leftist/democrat types, here are some links for you to pretend don't exist:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=829
http://www.uconn.edu/newsmedia/2005/may05/rel05033.html
Love this too:
"Not a matter of political correctness it's just the utter bullshit of the statement that bothers me."
otherwise known as
"Not a matter of political correctness it's just a matter of political correctness."
One can actually quite objectively state that Muslim men are known to wear towell/rag/tablecloth-like adornments on their heads. Matter-of-fact, I own an authentic one of these contrivances; it's actually extremely liquid absorbant. I am curious about the utterness of the bullshit being decribed here. If one were to use a term like "birdbath heads", I would have less trouble seeing it as bullshit to the utter degree.
Due to my present condition and predicaments of being a crippled as a result of the fatal accident that I had, I am not able to carry out this contract because I can only walk on a wheel chair. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 09:47:18
Erm, any chance we could refrain from phrases like "towel heads" please. Not a matter of political correctness it's just the utter bullshit of the statement that bothers me. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 09:13:38
I disagree with the insurance example. This is a scenario where we have plenty of record and personal evidence and so profiling is unnecessary discrimination. That lots of teens drive like idiots and crash a lot doesn't mean I do. In fact, in over 10 years of driving, I've yet to cause a single accident. How was I high risk? Why should I have paid more than others because I was under 25? I can see jacking up my premiums if I've cause accidents especially correlated to how long I've been driving, but otherwise it's discrimination for profit. And on that note, I've seen plenty of soccer moms who can't merge to save their life. In fact, this morning I drove behind a woman who not only didn't accelerate when merging but deccelerated, cut-off a guy and then almost sideswiped another.
As for profiling at the gates, it's not for profit and the stakes are higher besides, but I sit on the fence with that. I think that people determined to be at higher risk should be screened more carefully, but I also think that it's possible to abuse those stereotypes by slipping in someone who matches the stereotype for a "safe" passenger and taking advantage of preconceptions.
 "No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 09:11:27
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
quote:
Originally posted by Daisy Girl
Dean, I totally respect your opinions and honesty I think you¡¦re so super cool so I don't think you¡¦d take this personally but I thought I would say that 
Just in general, I don¡¦t know why but this whole thing today just freaks me out in a 1984 way.
The newscaster on the network news kept saying that "we" were being attacked. "We" weren't being attacked. It was up to 10 jetliners. I know this is a serious threat but, I really think it was blown out of proportion. The terrorists were caught and the governments/airline industry were able to implement the precautions to prevent it. The whole "we" thing just means that the network/producer/anchors have lost their objectivity, which really freaks me out.
Then, when I was watching a story on that same newscast about the impact about the terrorist attack they suddenly cut to an interview with a fundamentalist minister in Texas talking about what he thought was the impact on the congregation. It really was such a weird thing that just gave made me the feeling of the religious right agenda in a story where it didn't belong.
For some reason, this whole thing disturbs me. It's crazy for me to think that the media can go on this crazy tangent for this but they gloss over actual loss of life in Iraq, Israel and Lebanon. It is also crazy for me to think that the best anti terrorist activity the US government can do is to stop killing people-- period. Then non US people will stop getting pissed at the US and then less people will want to become terrorists in the first place.
Sorry, this is a hot button, I promise I will shut up after this!!!
If there was somewhere or something you said that I was supposed to be offended by or take personally I must've missed it so no worries. :)
I guess the question is, can you blame the government for the media doing what the media does with the story? Biasing it, sensationalizing, bla bla bla. Is there anyone left out there that respects the media? That accepts it as gospel? Probably many, but on this site? I'm disheartened by my own skepticism and lack of trust but it seems inevitable. I mean, how do we know that this happened? Really? If we can't trust government or media, we're pretty much SOL since that dictates what people believe and how they justify the slow sweeping changes that are being wrought on supposedly free societies.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself."
no :) I just wanted to make sure it didn't come across the wrong way :) you're my frank brother (vs. blood brother) ;)
you know what, you probably get way better coverage than we do here in the us. cbc (is it) is pretty independant and unbiased. here in the us we have networks owned by the same companies that make the weapons/war materials- so here they're just basically a mouth piece of the bush/right wing/new world order agenda. the bush adminstration puts the spin on everything and then on top of it the media over hypes it so everyone is supposed to be so fearful. |
| lonely persuader |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 08:20:59
We'd be shocked if such profiling wasn't a factor in the selection of surveillance targets that resulted in yesterday's arrests. Here in the U.S., the arrests should be a reminder of the dangers posed by a politically correct system of searching 80-year-old airplane passengers with the same vigor as screeners search young men of Muslim origin. There is no civil right to board an airplane without extra hassle, any more than drivers in high-risk demographics have a right to the same insurance rates as a soccer mom.
I agree with that bit alright. I don't mind that people have to held responsible and scientifically if the towel-heads are the one's with the bombs, they should be searched more than the rest of us. The insurance example is nice.
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| Newo |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 07:56:26
I guess the only thing left to do is cultivate as much gentleness as possible.
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Gravy boat! Stay in the now! |
| Erebus |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 07:29:24
“British antiterrorism chief Peter Clarke said at a news conference that the plot was foiled because "a large number of people" had been under surveillance, with police monitoring "spending, travel and communications."
[snip] “Which leads us to wonder if Scotland Yard would have succeeded if the ACLU or the New York Times had first learned the details of such surveillance programs.”
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008785
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| PixieSteve |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 05:33:02
don't worry, you still might be able to play gameboy...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/art_treyu/209076900/
FAST_MAN RAIDER_MAN - June 19th |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 05:15:18
I can't believe I can't take my iriver or Nintendo DS on my flight to Cyprus next month. Hopefully it will have all blown over by then.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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| lonely persuader |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 03:37:58
well said,
what i fear is turning into one of those people who over-reacts when someone says that terrorist are gonna blow up planes etc. Bah!!
then again, whatever..
What I don't really get is that the bush administration ha never tried to understand why people seem intent on some destruction of the US. Instead, he puts it down to crazy mad, turban loving, axis of evil, devil horned Arabs.
It could be because alot of what america stands for is abhorent and they are intent of spreading it throught-out the world also, Captialism, Greed, anti-socialism and gung-ho chuck norris style cowboy-indian pigeon-holing of conflicts. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 22:42:16
quote:
Originally posted by Daisy Girl
Dean, I totally respect your opinions and honesty I think you¡¦re so super cool so I don't think you¡¦d take this personally but I thought I would say that
Just in general, I don¡¦t know why but this whole thing today just freaks me out in a 1984 way.
The newscaster on the network news kept saying that "we" were being attacked. "We" weren't being attacked. It was up to 10 jetliners. I know this is a serious threat but, I really think it was blown out of proportion. The terrorists were caught and the governments/airline industry were able to implement the precautions to prevent it. The whole "we" thing just means that the network/producer/anchors have lost their objectivity, which really freaks me out.
Then, when I was watching a story on that same newscast about the impact about the terrorist attack they suddenly cut to an interview with a fundamentalist minister in Texas talking about what he thought was the impact on the congregation. It really was such a weird thing that just gave made me the feeling of the religious right agenda in a story where it didn't belong.
For some reason, this whole thing disturbs me. It's crazy for me to think that the media can go on this crazy tangent for this but they gloss over actual loss of life in Iraq, Israel and Lebanon. It is also crazy for me to think that the best anti terrorist activity the US government can do is to stop killing people-- period. Then non US people will stop getting pissed at the US and then less people will want to become terrorists in the first place.
Sorry, this is a hot button, I promise I will shut up after this!!!
If there was somewhere or something you said that I was supposed to be offended by or take personally I must've missed it so no worries. :)
I guess the question is, can you blame the government for the media doing what the media does with the story? Biasing it, sensationalizing, bla bla bla. Is there anyone left out there that respects the media? That accepts it as gospel? Probably many, but on this site? I'm disheartened by my own skepticism and lack of trust but it seems inevitable. I mean, how do we know that this happened? Really? If we can't trust government or media, we're pretty much SOL since that dictates what people believe and how they justify the slow sweeping changes that are being wrought on supposedly free societies.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
| ScottP |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 20:09:55
I'll hug anyone who's not lactating. |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 18:30:10
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
Why can't everybody just be friends? What we need is a group hug!!!
Firsts on mosleyk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p61mD558egA |
| Erebus |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 17:49:19
Why can't everybody just be friends? What we need is a group hug!!!
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 17:34:25
Dean, I totally respect your opinions and honesty I think you¡¦re so super cool so I don't think you¡¦d take this personally but I thought I would say that
Just in general, I don¡¦t know why but this whole thing today just freaks me out in a 1984 way.
The newscaster on the network news kept saying that "we" were being attacked. "We" weren't being attacked. It was up to 10 jetliners. I know this is a serious threat but, I really think it was blown out of proportion. The terrorists were caught and the governments/airline industry were able to implement the precautions to prevent it. The whole "we" thing just means that the network/producer/anchors have lost their objectivity, which really freaks me out.
Then, when I was watching a story on that same newscast about the impact about the terrorist attack they suddenly cut to an interview with a fundamentalist minister in Texas talking about what he thought was the impact on the congregation. It really was such a weird thing that just gave made me the feeling of the religious right agenda in a story where it didn't belong.
For some reason, this whole thing disturbs me. It's crazy for me to think that the media can go on this crazy tangent for this but they gloss over actual loss of life in Iraq, Israel and Lebanon. It is also crazy for me to think that the best anti terrorist activity the US government can do is to stop killing people-- period. Then non US people will stop getting pissed at the US and then less people will want to become terrorists in the first place.
Sorry, this is a hot button, I promise I will shut up after this!!!
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| Angry Elvis |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 16:58:29
you're not being cynical, it's the truth! after they stole the 2000 and 2004 election it's not much of a stretch to believe they're going to emulate cuba and put bushitlers brother jeb into the presidency without an election!
just you watch!
***i'm just a hunka hunka burnin love*** |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 16:22:20
i hate to be cynical, but it's getting close to the start of fall election campaining in the us. it's a critical election for the republicans to stay in power. i would wager that the bush machine will do everything it can to stay in power, including exploiting this incedent.
this just reminds me of v for vendetta- the goverment exploiting events to maintain its power. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 15:49:38
I don't know if this can be laid at the feet of any particular administration, but we'll see how it is used in the next few weeks. Fearmongering isn't necessary when everyone is paranoid and terrified anyway.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 15:16:20
honestly I think the Bush administration is blowing the whole thing out of preportion to scare people in to being sheep again. they found out about it. you can't bring on these things why the need for fearmongering? |
| mosleyk |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 15:15:13
llama you sly dog ;-) Good for you!
Okay...my co-worker has arrived! As released, no carry-on, liquids, but she could bring her purse. This is where her story got interesting. While they were going through the check-point one of the inspectors announced to all of the women. No lipstick! My co-worker quickly countered, "but mine isn't liquid or gel...SEE it is solid!" So the inspector brought over some of his co-workers and they had their little conference and finally decided her lipstick was okay to bring on the flight. |
| Llamadance |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 14:44:20
Breast milk is fine, it's no big deal. It's very watery, a bit like coconut milk without the coconutty taste.
What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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| mosleyk |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 14:25:17
Just found out one of my co-workers had a morning flight today (thought she flew out last night) from Wisconsin to PDX. She was suppose to make it to our afternoon meeting. Well...she didn't make it. I will be very interested to find out what her experience was in the airports. |
| s_wrenn |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 14:11:59
I'm not saying i wouldn't drink breast milk, i'm sure i'll get try it out at some stage.
Just not a Terminal B while security is checking my shoes for an explosive nail clipper.
Seán Says: Do you ever stop and look at yourself in the mirror and think: "Damn, i need a new mirror"
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| ScottP |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 14:03:28
I'd rather be blown to bits than drink breast milk. |
| Angry Elvis |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 13:52:37
oh those wacky airline companies and the things they'll do to sell a few more bags of peanuts and a coke
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1695442,00.html
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/08/explosive_gel_t.html
***i'm just a hunka hunka burnin love*** |
| Newo |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:43:06
You have to take your shoes off leaving Dublin also, at least I did. You ever notice the subtle way these "security measures" are implemented in incrementally small steps? if you applied all of todays practices to five years ago people would be horrified but instead they´re brought to accept them so slowly and surely they can feel convinced the intrusions are all for their own protection.
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Gravy boat! Stay in the now! |
| Carl |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:36:37
I didn't pay attention to the news, and thought that there was only a bomb scare at Heathrow. I did'nt know that they had actually found suspect devices.
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:29:11
Oh, and don't get me started on these 'threat levels'.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:28:05
I think the problem that came up was that they wanted to squirt it on their wrist and then try it to prevent any contamination and weren't allowed to do so.
We're not talking about precautions, we're talking about unreasonable limitations without any significant gain in safety. A lot of headache for something that has zero effect other than perhaps pacifying people who want 'someone' to do 'something'. Try a transatlantic flight with nothing to eat but what they have on the plane and charge you exorbinantly for. With nothing to do but watch the b-roll movies or stare at a GPS map. How much are we willing to give up and call it a 'precaution'? We already have our carry-ons extensively scanned and searched if any unknown quantities appear. We have security officers groping us if our jeans' buttons are a certain alloy. We have to remove our shoes in US airports at least. Many people have to get fingerprinted. The US government spies and eavesdrops on its citizens. And, probably, so does yours and mine.
Where do we draw the line? Where do YOU draw the line? Are you willing to strip down and be probed everytime you board a plane? How about just some security officer feeling you up? I think these are valid and increasingly important questions in society and certainly not 'nonsense'.
Pierre Trudeau once said that "the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation" but that appears to no longer be the case.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
| Newo |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:21:14
in other news, government sources said: Boo!
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