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| glacial906 |
Posted - 07/08/2006 : 20:16:22
For some reason, I am really looking forward to seeing this movie. On the surface it looks like another typical action flick, and I'm certain it will have an overabundance of fast car chases, loose women and drug cartels. But, it has one thing going for it: it's director. I love Michael Mann. My favorite of his movies by far has got to be "Heat." If he can bring in any of the drama and emotion of that movie to "Miami Vice" it will be good. From the looks of it we will see Sonny sexing it up with the ladies, and Tubbs has some one-liners in the trailers. But, fortunately the movie doesn't look to be simply a parody of the original show, like "Starsky & Hutch" and "Dukes of Hazzard."
Any thoughts?
Incidentally, Michael Mann was the executive producer of the "Miami Vice" television series from '85-'89.
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| Carl |
Posted - 08/27/2007 : 12:20:26
Finally watched it the other night. Oh dear. It's almost a decent cop thriller, but it's just so bloody corny and po faced. The characters were so fucking humourless.
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| shineoftheever |
Posted - 01/01/2007 : 02:21:45
i saw it on dvd and have cof's opine. not good. did not want to buy t-shirt, wanted money for rental back, wait it was a free rental, still, i want my money back....absolutely ridiculous. but then again i never liked the show in the first place. now if they make a magnum movie????????
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| Carl |
Posted - 12/30/2006 : 08:10:52
No, me neither. I'm sure it's reasonably enjoyable, but part of the TV series enduring appeal was it's period detail, i.e flashy white suits, etc.
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| floop |
Posted - 12/28/2006 : 11:11:53
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
Floop or Carl, have you seen this yet?
i ain't seen it. |
| Newo |
Posted - 12/27/2006 : 12:32:30
I liked the Insider and Manhunter though for the most part feel that Mann fellow isn't up to all that much, shiny copshows with some fortunecookie philosophy thrown in and no matter how much talking takes place, the characters end up running around shooting each other in an airfield/metro/storm drain/creepy old house *yawn*
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 12/27/2006 : 11:43:00
Okay folks. I've dug up this grave yet again.
So MIAMI VICE (2006) is now out on DVD and I was excited to purchase it having been pleasantly blown away by it last summer after I was so vehemently opposed to it from the start. There were way too many 'it's in that last sentance, by the way. Anyhow. This being my favorite movie of the year (as I posted so many praises and attempted to back it up months ago...see above to refresh) I finally used a Christmas gift card and snatched me a copy of the DVD.
Apparently it's only available in one of those God forsaken Director's Cut...but I thought it wouldn't differ much. Now, I really don't know how authorized or genuine this so-called director's cut is, but it has TOTALLY ruined the natural pacing and mood of the theatrical release last July. It has slapped on an unneccesary beginning credit sequence, altered the music cue positions throught, changed the end credit songs...UGH!!!! My guess is all this was not particularly overseen my Michael Mann, but okayed by him after Universal decided to attempt to recoup some losses for the DVD release. The film bombed, and it was very expensive. Critics and audiences weren't happy at all with the alienistic story-telling and ambiguous unfolding of scenarios, so they've made it more linear with these edits and reworks and additions. I HATE IT. WHY? Why can't a movie just be left alone these days? I watched this with disgust today, so fucking pissed off...it's ruined!
Anyway, sorry. Just had to vent. Where's my VENT YOUR ANGER THREAD when I need it?
Floop or Carl, have you seen this yet? It may not seem as bad on DVD if you haven't seen it in the theater, but I'm a stickler for detail and have a keen sponge-like ability for recall.
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 08/18/2006 : 02:13:36
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
I am going to go see this again tonight.
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Wow, as much as I respect your arguments for the movie, seeing it more than once still boggles my mind. I can't imagine actually _loving_ this movie much less liking it.
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| floop |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 20:25:30
you definitely have a knack for writing movie reviews Tranny. i'm still not fired up to see the film though.
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| Carl |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 09:42:39
I suppose you shouldn't listen to critics...I've seen this both hailed and blasted for it's 'gritty' look, etc. I might wait until it comes out on DVD.
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 08/17/2006 : 09:20:57
I am going to go see this again tonight.
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| Carl |
Posted - 08/01/2006 : 10:53:45
Yeah, I think I'll have to go see this.
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 08/01/2006 : 08:14:57
I went and saw this AGAIN last night! I plan to see it again this week...so very very cool!
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 10:24:49
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Originally posted by El Loco
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Originally posted by vilainde
Good news. I read some blurb on imdb this morning that said critics were disappointed because the movie had little in common with the series. Uh... did anyone really want to see some Starsky & Hutch type of crap poking fun at the 80s?
<<"The TV series was noted for pastel color schemes, Don Johnson's narcissistic slickness and Philip Michael Thomas' piercing-eyed charisma," writes Philip Wuntch in the Dallas Morning News.>> Are you fucking kidding me?
Denis
70's foolio 70's
No Vilande was right. VICE was 80's...S&H was 70's...I think you interpreted him wrong El Loco.
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| El Loco |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 10:14:27
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Originally posted by vilainde
Good news. I read some blurb on imdb this morning that said critics were disappointed because the movie had little in common with the series. Uh... did anyone really want to see some Starsky & Hutch type of crap poking fun at the 80s?
<<"The TV series was noted for pastel color schemes, Don Johnson's narcissistic slickness and Philip Michael Thomas' piercing-eyed charisma," writes Philip Wuntch in the Dallas Morning News.>> Are you fucking kidding me?
Denis
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 09:55:17
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I admit that you make a compelling argument for mood and using the characters and events to paint a scene rather than tell a story, I guess the scene painted didn't really engage me or seem like it had much to offer that hadn't been painted many times before. I did get the sense that style was the focal point of their energies rather than substance, from perpetual thunder to midnight approaches into Miami to the gritty reel used for most of the stuff in Latin America. But again, I think you can use all those stylistic devices to paint a picture and still have characters that are engaging and interesting and a story that is exciting or dramatic or at least not disjointed.
I never watched the series, perhaps that was part of my problem, but if this is true to form then I suppose good on them. My arguments against would be levelled equally on the series then as well.
Positive note: I enjoyed the flights.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself."
COF, everything that bothered you about it was the kernel of the series...it was unlike anything at the time...revelling in style, violence, and unabashed and unrealistic cool. No redeeming qualities...80's excess. I was worried this film (see previous posts) would be devoid of that somehow, but it translated into the present seemlessly with an interesting twist; muted desensitivity. The show was just as cold and deep, but 20 years ago it was fresh, shocking, and engaging. This doppelganger lifted that cloudy morality out of the past and placed it now where it strangely can belong...where it still has artistic style, but is no longer alien.
However, it's still cold as all get out.
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 09:39:34
I admit that you make a compelling argument for mood and using the characters and events to paint a scene rather than tell a story, I guess the scene painted didn't really engage me or seem like it had much to offer that hadn't been painted many times before. I did get the sense that style was the focal point of their energies rather than substance, from perpetual thunder to midnight approaches into Miami to the gritty reel used for most of the stuff in Latin America. But again, I think you can use all those stylistic devices to paint a picture and still have characters that are engaging and interesting and a story that is exciting or dramatic or at least not disjointed.
I never watched the series, perhaps that was part of my problem, but if this is true to form then I suppose good on them. My arguments against would be levelled equally on the series then as well.
Positive note: I enjoyed the flights.
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 09:21:02
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
"Fucking incredible?" Are you kidding?!?!
So much of the movie had so little to do with anything (the initial and drawn out scene in the nightclub at the beginning of the movie has NO ties to anything). I didn't really care about a single one of the characters. So many things were left unresolved anyway, that it's just as well.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself."
This was the core of the Miami Vice series stripped down to the moody, atmospheric, and surreal sterile Michael Mann logic. The series didn't make much sense...minimalist storylines which picked up in the middle of this and jarringly transferred to that, and didn't care if you followed it or not...but somehow it would reel you along. I was totally impressed...and with Mann (especially Miami Vice), the characters aren't always the story. The story isn't even the story. It's the souless decadence of the landscapes and juxtaposed emotions of architecture and beautiful violence...the beauty of cars and boats and planes on way, water and wing controlled by halved and mysterious men. Hightened reality of cops and robbers in a dead twilight zone of neon, black, and opaque internal communication that rarely let's the viewer into their thought process, which can be aggravating but, at least to me, intriguing. Mann's world of male engineering, both emotional and mental, has never been as frustratingly hidden or as frightfully exciting. I liked it a lot.
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 08:48:28
"Fucking incredible?" Are you kidding?!?!
It was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in theatres to the point that three of the four of us would've walked out if the fourth hadn't been passably amused and we there at his invitation. For a while it was sort of funny that dialogue would just transition to sex back and forth by a painfully cliched meeting of the eyes and changing of music. Then it got annoying. The battle at the end, before they went out, the painful conversation was to me the crux of the movie. Talk about action and tease as much as possible first.
The sex scenes were barely that. The action scenes were mostly uninteresting (except the trailer break-in, which alone brought the movie from 0 out of 10 to maybe 2). So much of the movie had so little to do with anything (the initial and drawn out scene in the nightclub at the beginning of the movie has NO ties to anything). I didn't really care about a single one of the characters. So many things were left unresolved anyway, that it's just as well.
The only vice here was that I went and paid to see this.
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| vilainde |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 08:25:48
Good news. I read some blurb on imdb this morning that said critics were disappointed because the movie had little in common with the series. Uh... did anyone really want to see some Starsky & Hutch type of crap poking fun at the 80s?
<<"The TV series was noted for pastel color schemes, Don Johnson's narcissistic slickness and Philip Michael Thomas' piercing-eyed charisma," writes Philip Wuntch in the Dallas Morning News.>> Are you fucking kidding me?
Denis
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 08:10:26
OK.........I take EVERYTHING back.
This movie was fucking incredible!
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| Carl |
Posted - 07/13/2006 : 18:18:51
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| glacial906 |
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 17:12:16
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
Well, just look at it! How many other shows really really reflect the moment they existed in, while simultaneously attempting to do just that? The show was all style, fashion, looks, sound, and shock (with an undercurrent of rehashed 70's tv cop plot-lines, which didn't really matter, and mostly they made no sense). Each week it would strive to hit us over the head with the fact this was the 1980's.
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-bRIAN
Hehe, yeah, I know what you mean.
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| Carl |
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 08:38:57
This was always on in my house as a child, the opening credits with the kind-of mardi gras parade and speedboats and thumping music always sticks in the brain! There was an episode called Home invaders, I think, that started with an elderly couple waking up in the middle of the night to find two masked thugs robbing them, that scared the shit out of me. I had that, Close Encounters and Whitley Strieber's Communion aliens to thank for many a sleepless night as a little 'un!! ;D
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 08:29:46
Well, just look at it! How many other shows really really reflect the moment they existed in, while simultaneously attempting to do just that? The show was all style, fashion, looks, sound, and shock (with an undercurrent of rehashed 70's tv cop plot-lines, which didn't really matter, and mostly they made no sense). Each week it would strive to hit us over the head with the fact this was the 1980's.
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| glacial906 |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 23:02:39
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
That's crazy. Funny, but crazy. As though Miami Vice were some kind of clairvoyant, sentient entity that knew that one day it would be out-of-date...beloved to some, yes, and watched by many in syndication, but ultimately without a place in the new millenium
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| glacial906 |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 23:02:05
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
That's crazy. Funny, but crazy. As though Miami Vice were some kind of clairvoyant, sentient entity that knew that one day it would be out-of-date...beloved to some, yes, and watched by many in syndication, but ultimately without a place in the new millenium
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| tobafett |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 22:41:37
i'm concerned about the socks. i bet these new boys are wearing socks.
supposed to look like this fellas:
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| Carl |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 17:37:29
Yes, I agree. And also, it's not set between 1979-1990.
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| floop |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 17:35:43
i think you guys all bring up valid arguments, but the thing that bothers me the most is that it's not set in the 80's
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 17:28:36
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
It's kind of disappointing that the movie isn't set in that period.
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That's my whole point.
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| Carl |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 17:24:01
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
It's kind of disappointing that the movie isn't set in that period.
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 16:48:43
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Originally posted by glacial906
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Originally Posted by TRANSMARINE
I just feel why remake something and reinvent it entirely? That's Oliver Stone territory...not Michael Mann. It's like Michael Mann himself turning HEAT into a TV series ten years from now, and having it take place in 2016. It's just...wrong. CRIME STORY (another Mann helmed tv vehicle) ultimately failed because it tried to put the 80's in the 60's.
"Heat" was a remake of "L.A. Takedown," a made-for-tv movie also penned and directed by Mann in the '80's.
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Hmmm...true.
But it is far from remembered. And there was nothing remotely familiar in mass audience minds of L.A. Takedown to even link the two together other than perhaps side-note mentions in reviews. And a 90 minute unrecalled tv movie turned big budget film as opposed to a groundbreaking 6 year tv series turned film is the sickness I have over it. There obviously was points in L.A. Takedown which stuck with Mann...ideas not satisfied...thus the fully realized treatment of HEAT. So is Miami Vice the Series now something Mann has realized he was not satisfied with, and is going to re-realize it for a movie screen?
Don't get me wrong...I like Michael Mann and have for a long time...the INSIDER is a magnificent film. MANHUNTER is worlds better than SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (Brian Cox is much creepier than Hopkins). Blah blah blah. But this MIAMI VICE is like Orson Welles remaking his CITIZEN KANE. Why? Why? Why?
The whole thing is just messy.
And the worse thing is that I KNOW I'll be there opening night. Go figure.
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| glacial906 |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 16:26:57
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Originally Posted by TRANSMARINE
I just feel why remake something and reinvent it entirely? That's Oliver Stone territory...not Michael Mann. It's like Michael Mann himself turning HEAT into a TV series ten years from now, and having it take place in 2016. It's just...wrong. CRIME STORY (another Mann helmed tv vehicle) ultimately failed because it tried to put the 80's in the 60's.
"Heat" was a remake of "L.A. Takedown," a made-for-tv movie also penned and directed by Mann in the '80's.
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 14:22:36
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Originally posted by glacial906
Yeah, I was able to look past the bullshit hype that exuded from the trailer to this film, what with the Jay-Z/Linkin Park song and all, because of Michael Mann's involvement. I wonder what songs the trailer for "Heat" used?
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Yeah I heard that shite music before on the trailer. Not a good sign.
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| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 13:37:46
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Originally posted by glacial906
Yeah, I was able to look past the bullshit hype that exuded from the trailer to this film, what with the Jay-Z/Linkin Park song and all, because of Michael Mann's involvement. I wonder what songs the trailer for "Heat" used?
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HEAT trailers used the Moby version of God Moving Over The Face Of The Waters.
I just feel why remake something and reinvent it entirely? That's Oliver Stone territory...not Michael Mann. It's like Michael Mann himself turning HEAT into a TV series ten years from now, and having it take place in 2016. It's just...wrong. CRIME STORY (another Mann helmed tv vehicle) ultimately failed because it tried to put the 80's in the 60's.
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
Eww! It calls to mind I SPY! What a cool show...grew up on it. Why the heck did they even TRY to resurrect it?
MIAMI VICE is better on the small screen, etched now into DVD, with none other than Don Johnson, Philip Michael Thomas, and a shitload of pastel colored blazers. And no socks.
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