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| Broken Face |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 13:58:44
i find that the british press tends to build up artists at a stupidly accelerated rate, which leads to at least one insanely sold out tour, nme cover story and then...*poof*...they're forgotten. maybe this is an outsider's opinion, but there have been so many bands that the UK press has tried to convince everyone they would be the next Beatles, and very few have done much outside of the UK - The Verve (one hit in the US), Blur (one US hit), The Libertines (nada), etc. does this bother the UK brethren here, or is this just an American not understanding?
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 11:03:19
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Originally posted by Stevio10
Ok, i'll go to my room and ponder over what i've done. (And listen to my Gene cd's!)
Hehe, I was hoping that comment would have been taken with a pinch of salt!
I impose a 2 week posting ban on myself!!
We'll decide when you can come back downstairs.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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| speedy_m |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 09:05:23
I find it interesting how the industry continues to get smarter and better at what they do. In the past (say, the 80s) manufactured artists would be around for one record, have a huge hit, record a follow up that no one buys, then disapear until they did a spread in Playboy 15 years later (see: Tiffany et al.). Now, the manufactured stars are kept around, their sound/image is tinkered with and updated, and the label makes a LOT more money by turning their acts into celebrities, and thus have to spend far less on promoting a new act. Why grease the palms of radio stations and spend millions on the glossy adverts when you can just release a new, "edgy" Xtina album?
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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| Stevio10 |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 07:28:29
Ok, i'll go to my room and ponder over what i've done. (And listen to my Gene cd's!)
Hehe, I was hoping that comment would have been taken with a pinch of salt!
I impose a 2 week posting ban on myself!! |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:57:24
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10
Who was your fave Britpop band Star? I think mine would have to be "Gene". I don't think any band can quite pull off making a career out of trying to sound like Morrissey as much as they did! Top marks!
All other post of yours, past and present, have lost all credibility now.
I'm sorry, I just can't take you seriously.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:03:32
*clasps hand over mouth to supress mad giggles and pointing*
I think the last time I was aware of any scene I was involved in was around the brit pop time, mainly I was listening to radiohead, the smiths, eels, longpigs and pulp. Oh and Ash. Things like that (REM goes without saying) but I did have a mass of brit pop cd's that went on rotation, not so much went mental for because I don't think you can do that really with brit pop, in it's very nature it's bubblegum and throwaway poppy fun. I listened to bands like tiger and my life story, had cd's by bis and kenicke and many bands no one ever heard of. I went to see kula shaker (I feel fairly comfortable admitting that) and SFA (proud of that one) and mansun (seven times! oh my!). I'd be all over the shop, going to gigs in remote places and seeing the same glammed up plastic jewellry laden fans as I saw at the gig last week, we'd all be doing the same things and knowing the same people. There were a few clubs that you were certain to find people at, the Sanctuary used to have Steve Lamacq DJ'ing and that was always great fun.
I don't think this scene is any different, I don't know the name for it but I imagine any babyshambles gig (can you still call it that if the twat never turns up? I have to say I hold weeping libertines fans in the stame esteem I hold old manics/new manics fans, do they still exist?) you went to would have the same faces in it, same with a lot of the other cool alt bands. Gigs seem to sell out fast nowadays which didn't happen when I was going to them more often, I think it's this hype. It's cool to be into this sort of music and the scenesters buy their NME and they see who hey should be liking and they buy the CD's and flood the gigs until they find the next one to watch.
I've for the last, gosh 6 years I suppose, not had the spare mental capacity to look into a lot of new music, some of it slips through the cracks, and I can see how your kaiser chiefs and futureheads are fun, but not serious if you see what I mean. I don't think in ten years time people will still be playing them except for amusement and nostalgia reasons. Bands are getting big because they're being inflated to these stupid levels. All of this Doherty fuss really annoys me and helps somewhat in keeing outside of those scenester circles.
But I don't think the press hyped scenes are the only ones around, I'm fairly sure there's a ton of great stuff out there getting overlooked because the scene is it for some people and if it's out of their peripheral vision or that of the popular music press it's either not there or not good enough. So the suit jacket/meat is murder t shirt/converse wearing alt boys dominate the scene with the head to toe hennes girls, it and will do untill something else becomes alt-trendy. It's the way it is, I think it's the way it's always been with scenes like that, except now it seems mainstream cool and very tunnel visioned. From the outside that is.
You begin saving the world by saving one person at a time; all else is grandiose romanticism or politics |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 01:21:07
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Originally posted by therewererumours
This topic can be completly exemplified by that James Blunt crap that appeared at no.1 and hasn't shifted for the last few weeks. It's complete rubbish, everybody ranting on about how great he is, and his horrible Maroon 5esque warbaling, it makes me sick.
Join the Cult of 
Yeah, that James Blunt, can't stand him.
*cough*
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| fbc |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 01:10:19
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Originally posted by therewererumours
This topic can be completly exemplified by that James Blunt crap that appeared at no.1 and hasn't shifted for the last few weeks. It's complete rubbish, everybody ranting on about how great he is, and his horrible Maroon 5esque warbaling, it makes me sick.
We have a winner! Nice post, rumour.
But no worries, he'll soon be exported over to the States on the back of this one song where hopefully he'll meet a girl, or boy (i've yet to decide), and settle down in New York or L.A. So cliche. But we are talking about the British music scene here.
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| therewererumours |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 20:08:16
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Originally posted by floop
American press is total pants. their journalists are a bunch of nancy boys who just waffle on about fuck all. i'd rather stare at a piece of smeg than read one page of Rolling Stone
Have you been watching Red Dwarf Floop?
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| floop |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 19:57:04
American press is total pants. their journalists are a bunch of nancy boys who just waffle on about fuck all. i'd rather stare at a piece of smeg than read one page of Rolling Stone |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 19:46:52
Actually, this bit is the scariest!!!!!!!!!!
Customers who bought music by David Hasselhoff also bought music by these artists:
Coldplay
Leonard Nimoy
Oasis
William Shatner
Foo Fighters
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| Stevio10 |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 19:42:53
Ahh! Geneva! No One Speaks!
I Should Coco by Supergrass was the album I had in my walkman when i was in hospital getting my tonsils out when i was 12 or 13 (seems so long ago now!). My friend (he's my flatmate now coincidentally!) made me the tape with Dookie on the other side. It's funny, back then we would listen to all sorts of great music. Now we listen to David Hasselhoff! You can't get much better!
Actually, people, have a look at amazon and at the customer reviews, they're hilarious!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005Q8UG/qid=1124419166/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/202-2677315-9155002
Apologies if it doesnt work.
(Think i may have to start a david hasselhoff appreciation thread!) |
| therewererumours |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 17:51:31
This topic can be completly exemplified by that James Blunt crap that appeared at no.1 and hasn't shifted for the last few weeks. It's complete rubbish, everybody ranting on about how great he is, and his horrible Maroon 5esque warbaling, it makes me sick.
Join the Cult of |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 16:19:33
Gene were ace, I still have 'drawn to the deep end' somewhere, in fact I was listening to fighting fit just the other day. Thats a good question.
I have to have a little think about that.
Do you remember Geneva?
You begin saving the world by saving one person at a time; all else is grandiose romanticism or politics |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 16:15:48
Who was your fave Britpop band Star? I think mine would have to be "Gene". I don't think any band can quite pull off making a career out of trying to sound like Morrissey as much as they did! Top marks!
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 16:11:13
i love your slinky spoilers / they really speak to me / state of the art sound system / leather upholstery....
thats going to be in my head all night now.
It is, according to XFM, the ten year anniversary of brit pop (marked by the blur vs oasis "battle") I quite liked it at the time, brit pop I mean. This is a good thread. I'm watching and thinking.
You begin saving the world by saving one person at a time; all else is grandiose romanticism or politics |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 16:04:42
To answer your question, it doesn't annoy me that the media do this, as a Shetlander or a Scot or a Brit or an European it doesn't really have any major significance on my life. They do it with the English football team too ;) It does get tedious, however, when you can't turn on the tv or open a mag without hearing about Chris Martin, Pete Doherty, David Beckham or 1966!! But hey, that's pop culture, no escaping it! |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 15:58:29
I'm not a fan of many UK bands at the moment. Mostly because the media is trying to make it a "scene", like britpop in the 90's. At the moment we're overflooded by many average bands and with the media it seems quantity is more important than quality. Yeah we have the Darkness, Coldplay, Oasis, Razorlight, Futureheads, Libertines (had), Snow Patrol, Keane, Bloc Party, Kaiser Chiefs......etc etc...They're all saviours until they make their second albums! Some excluded, they know who they are!
At the moment it's just so bland because everyone sounds the same and it creates this scene...a scene that thinks it's cool! But in reality, it's just chart music kids grown up who think they're cool thinking they're listening to cool music. It was the same in the 90's with britpop...you knew it was a bad scene when you got to Shine 8 (Compilation CD of said scene!) Even the word "Shine" was taken from Gallagher (ahem) singing "Sheeeeeeeeeeiiiiiine" in every song. You knew the compilations and scene were getting worse when every volume included the likes of Menswear, Marilyn (is that how you spell it?), Blameless, Gene, Supernaturals etc to make up the numbers! Obviously there'd be the latest singles from bands like Oasis, Blur, Charlatans, Super Furry Animals, Bluetones (saw them in my hometown of Shetland last week! How the mighty fall!), etc etc...
Anyway the same is happening again now with equally boring bands who are deemed as gods just to make up the numbers of this scene. It is obscene!
Who's gonna be the menswear, gene and echobelly of this scene? Place your bets now! :)
My money's on Kaiser Chiefs :) |
| fbc |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 15:48:21
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Originally posted by Broken Face
i just think that american press is less likely to hail someone king before their time.
that's a good thing. I'm not saying we don't have good bands emerging over here.
it's just that they're touring the world on the back of one album. Their very first record, too.
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 15:31:53
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
Really, its the NME that does this far more than other rags,
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
Yup.
I am just gutted that they are still the only ones who really get onto the good ones (over here) first though. I mean you have to shift through a lot of shit, but nobody else gets onto the good ones so quickly over here. It's a price I must pay to get my new music.
The interent is proving to be an excellent source too but I don't have enough time 'cos it's spread all over the show on the net.
I should start my own mag, with Mike2 as my American correspondent.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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| Broken Face |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:43:08
i hope i didn't come off saying 'america's system is better' because we HAVE NO SYSTEM. our radio is shit, our magazines (for the most part, unless you read HARP) are shit, and our MTV is triple shit. i just think that american press is less likely to hail someone king before their time. but once they make it here, they are usually sustained longer than they should be (see Limp Bizkit, Dave Matthews Band, etc)
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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| fbc |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:31:29
What i don't like is this thing about having a number 1 song/record.
I don't read much music weeklies, but our radio seems obsessed by charts.
Sorry to name drop, but Pixies and Nirvana never had a number 1 single, and it didn't do them no harm.
only the other day Radio 1 were talking about Coldplay's new song maybe being their first number 1,
like it's a disappointment if it doesn't happen because they've never had one.
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:23:27
Bloomin' NME, it's to blame for the ills of most of the world.
Really, its the NME that does this far more than other rags, although others are guilty - I find American magazines to focus overly on already-large acts, though, so you're not all that ace yourselves.
Though somewhat jaded, I still think the music scene in the UK is covered with decent attention to new talent, and a fairer assessment of what's out there - I'm always quite impressed that as a nation we've managed to keep a musical tradition that only America can equal.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| fbc |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:21:36
I don't think it's an American misunderstanding.
It seems our media are in cahoots with one another.
Once Radio 1 cotton on to a good (new) song/band, they proceed to play it to death.
In turn, our most popular tabloid paper gossip/entertainment/celebrity kiss-ass column jumps on the band wagon and bigs them up too.
With this in place, our Top of the Pops/saturday kids shows book said bands for us all to see.
(Keep in mind this band has released just one song max)
Our public are like sheep. The papers tell us boho fashion is in so what do all the fashion whores wear?
bloody boho.
It's like they don't have a mind of their own. robots, sheep being told what to do/wear and listen to.
it's all about what's perceived to be cool at the time, then hype it until it all falls down.
On the back of this one track (and eventually the album) a national tour is planned and sold out.
Then with egos (maybe not the bands, but men in suits) inflated, plans are made to "crack" America.
I apologise whole heartedly.
Gone are the days of bands becoming big through word of mouth, a natural buzz.
"Rock stars" are the new icons, and it's embarrassing to see the type of "fan" they attract.
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:20:46
I agree, they (mainly NME) build them up far too quickly (see Arctic Monkeys now) and it's a bit of a joke to be honest with you.
I love my new music more than most, but I know bullshit when I smell it (most of the time, I was wrong to dance to Jet that one time).
Having said that, my god is America hard to crack. Most of the bands that make it there are fucking shit to be quite honest with you. I mean really make it like Linkin Bizkit or Puddle Of Nickelcreed.
I don't think I need to go into the reason why this is, it's pretty obvious it seems. Trust me though, bands like Pixes deserve to be as big over there as they are over here ; )
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