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| darwin |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 14:10:54
Dave is saying that images produce a negative environment in which woman feel that they can't measure up to the high standards. Rather than having a man and two men moderators protect the environment for women, why shouln't one of the moderators be a woman. Rather than having "men thinking for the women", give the women a voice. No one woman is going to represent the feelings or thoughts of all of the woman (certainly Dave isn't representing my male thoughts), but maybe it's a step towards a more steady and defined policy. |
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| darwin |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 12:51:26
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Darwin - it seems to me the majority of comments are actually about posting images of women, and that they think they should be able to, and that it doesn't demean women.
reply moved to:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13589 |
| Carolynanna |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 11:58:19
quote:
Originally posted by dayanara
dayanara would make a horrible moderator and doesn't want the job, but thanks for the nod.
in case anyone is actually listening, i again nominate carolynanna.
i am sitting here observing my emotional discomfort.
Wowee, thanks dayanara.
But as darwin said, this baby might make it a bit difficult.
(Depending if he's got the colic or not like the last one.)
I might be around less and less, damn kids!
That said, Homer! Homer! Homer!
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Don't believe the hype.
Although it would be fun to make Simon greet me with fanfare lest he face my wrath... |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 11:46:53
Darwin - it seems to me the majority of comments are actually about posting images of women, and that they think they should be able to, and that it doesn't demean women.
I don't doubt that some people are also upset with my attitude. If you re-read the thread i started (picture of beautiful women thread), i tried very hard not to be demeaning. In my first few postings, what specifically did i write that was demeaning, rude or insulting?
After a pile of insults, and people demanding the 'right' to post images of women, i lay into them a little more. Even then, i believe i was pretty reasonable, and kept the 'personal' issues to a minimum. (Not none, but pretty reasonable, all things considered.)
I agree that i'm not a better person than anyone here, and i don't mean for people to think i am. That is just a way to sidestep a point...being that i'm resposible for this Forum.
I think i *do* have the background to determine the possibility of someone feeling inferior because of the postings. What if i, myself, feel demeaned? What if people have written me complaining? Do i let them go and post, and take the heat themselves? (And do i ignore my own feelings?)
Again, it is very clear that people don't like to hear that posting and looking at pictures of women might upset others, not might not be appropriate or even desirable for this Forum.
And yes, women do have different experiences from men. I don't understand how this diminishes my own experiences, nor whether or not i can determine if a topic is demeaning to women, or anyone else.
 "Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
| IceCream |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 01:08:26
Darwin, you've really managed to impress me now. There are some very interesting points which you make in this thread which reminds me of a quote that's not really relevant but could be in a slightly different situation:
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding".
-Albert Einstein. |
| darwin |
Posted - 07/08/2005 : 00:57:07
I'll revise my admitedly sexiest comment that implied that women are usually more diplomatic. "I doubt most people would have been as brash as you were ...." You're wrong, if you think this firestorm is about pictures of women. It's about you being rude and demeaning to us. You aren't smarter than us, you aren't better informed than us, you aren't a better person than us. So, please quit acting that way.
I in no way said that only the people being discriminated against should stand up against that discrimination. But, this is not a clear cut case of discrimination. It is you thinking that women will be insulted or be made to feel inferior by images of other women being posted. I don't think you have the background to judge that. And if you think you do then why do feel that "totally that we should have a few women as Mods"? Is it because they have backgrounds and knowledge that you don't have? |
| Thomas |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 21:49:51
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
or Zanni67
Anyone with a keen eye would have noticed Zanni67 in the photo I posted in my Post Your Favorite Pictures of Floop thread.
Okay, maybe you wouldn't have noticed. I just thought it was funny you brought her name up and she just happened to be in that picture.
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard" |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 21:08:29
Um..being sexist to defend sexism? Sorry, i don't think that floats.
I don't believe you have to a member of whatever 'issue' to be able to discuss or defend it.
To say that a man cannot stand up against the exploitation of women is to say that white people cannot defend blacks, nor the young defend the old. (And it would also leave my main area of concern completely off the map - animal rights. I am not a pig in a factory farm...how do i know of what they suffer?)
And besides all this silliness, it's clear that a progressive view of sexism and the significance of objectification is very unfamiliar ground for many. (Sorry if that sounds patronizing..that is not my intent.) I certainly misunderstood it for many years, and thought that 'letting women work and not pinching their butts' was what it was all about....and i was an idiot for not looking any deeper all those years.
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
| kathryn |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:20:36
Funny, well not funny, I've been hearing in my head all day
"Down in the tube station at midnight." Not a good thing today.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| darwin |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:20:27
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Two significant issues at hand here.
First serious issue is that, as seen in the backlash to me, certain principles are not accepted or welcome. I doubt that if a female Mod had raised the issue i had, she would have been given any more respect than myself, and would have been equally abused.
I disagree. First, to be a bit sexist (sorry) I doubt she would have been as brash as you were and second she would speaking from an experience with the issue that you (as a male) can't have. I have much better time believing a woman saying something produces a negative atmosphere for woman, than believing your guess that it does. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:18:49
I'm just trying to cheer myself up.
Don't believe the type!
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| kathryn |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:16:35
Best...post...ever...
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 15:12:53
Paul Weller is a good mod.
Don't believe the type!
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:57:50
Dave, your sig needs fixing.
Kitty for mod!
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
| Dave Noisy |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:45:49
Two significant issues at hand here.
I agree totally that we should have a few women as Mods as well. (No idea why anyone would think we wouldn't go for that, care to elaborate dayanara?)
First serious issue is that, as seen in the backlash to me, certain principles are not accepted or welcome. I doubt that if a female Mod had raised the issue i had, she would have been given any more respect than myself, and would have been equally abused.
Second, we have certain qualifications for being a Mod, and that includes a demonstrated amount of level-headedness, fairness, openness, good listening skills, and having a good sense of 'when to act, and when to ask'. We must also completely trust that person. Finally, the person needs to be in a similar mindset as Dean, Brian and myself.
It's not easy finding a good Mod. That said, we *are* looking into it. No decisions will be made until Dean gets back to having semi-regular internet access.
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
| dayanara |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:36:25
all joking aside, i actually think homers would make a good moderator.
i am sitting here observing my emotional discomfort. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:26:59
HPM is a lovely girl, just lovely. You should see her legs. Oh, I shouldn't have posted that. Sorry. I don't mean to objectify a fellow forum-ette.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:19:52
or Zanni67
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God save the Noisies |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 14:19:20
never knew homers pet monkey was a girl
I vote for HPM or Kathryn or Ramona
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God save the Noisies |
| darwin |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 13:40:09
The new baby might make it difficult for carolynanna, but then I don't know how much time it takes. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 13:32:02
Looks like I am the only one who wants the job.
Don't believe the type!
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| dayanara |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 13:27:05
dayanara would make a horrible moderator and doesn't want the job, but thanks for the nod.
in case anyone is actually listening, i again nominate carolynanna.
i am sitting here observing my emotional discomfort. |
| Kirk |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 12:22:24
What about the minorities!
When need a dark-skinned lesbian rooster!
Oh, unless the majority of the users are lesbians. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 12:13:35
dayanara or kathryn.
dammit I'd have trouble choosing. |
| klikger |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 01:42:19
Daisy Girl would be a great moderator, I think. |
| dayanara |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 19:29:48
just trying to moderate.
i am sitting here observing my emotional discomfort. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 19:27:50
Thank god you are here, D.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| dayanara |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 19:26:16
stop slutting up darwin's thread, you two.
i am sitting here observing my emotional discomfort. |
| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 19:20:50
you are welcome but i cannotr allow a lady to pay for her drink. it's the rule. and sex and the city has nothing to do with this. people there leave their cocktails half finished. i have 7-8 of them before i return home. second rule: nothing must remain in the glass. no exceptions whatsoever.
Zen fascists will control you,100% natural |
| kathryn |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 19:10:25
What are you smoking, Mun? Scotch on the rocks is not too hot! I love to hear the ice cubes clink, I love to feel the cold glass in my palm.
Now you're talking about "THE summer drink"? When did you become one of those Sex and the City types?
And I always pay for my own drinks, thank you very much.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 19:07:57
it doesn't takes orders. just drinks. free drinks it's the only reason for me considering changing sex. and the moscow mule is THE summer cocktail. scotch is too hot and beer is not a club drink.
Zen fascists will control you,100% natural |
| kathryn |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 19:02:48
Now you're talking. Hand me that scotch.
btw, I don't do much without questions and I don't know about which female class you are talking about that takes orders.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 19:00:09
oh god. where is your female class that orders to drink what offered without questions? here is one (thanks for this dave):
http://www.atomix.tv/images/Moscow_Mule.jpg
anyway i'll finish it. here's your glenfiedich on the rocks.
Zen fascists will control you,100% natural |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 18:59:23
mun un chien thanks for the background.
I read the first few pages of that thread... and I think I got the point. I thought at first that it was a complete joke...but it's really true.
I think we all need to focus on what we have in common and come together. This should be a time of rejoycing for Honeycomb  not focusing on a dispute over this point of view. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 18:57:04
What on earth is a moscow mule? A mail-order bride smuggling heroin?
Gimme a scotch or something. A beer even.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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| mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 18:55:00
i was about to make irony on the fact that women objectify men, like or worse men objectify women but what the hell. here's your moscow mule, it's a party after all and there is no tommorow so i might as well dance.
Zen fascists will control you,100% natural |
