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kathryn Posted - 04/10/2005 : 12:25:24
Do you believe in ghosts (no Wilco jokes, please)
or spirits or hauntings?

I don't. I've slept in bedrooms where people have
died, twice lived in a house thought to be haunted,
and I do not believe in this phenomenon. Do you?


I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
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kathryn Posted - 04/12/2005 : 11:10:21
Thanks Thomas. That takes me back.


I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
Carolynanna Posted - 04/12/2005 : 10:03:42
We just moved to a new house that is about half a block away from the oldest graveyard in E-town. It is really cool in there, I'm gonna do me some good rubbings I tell ya.

It's also neat as my hubby's gramps, granny, aunt, cousin and various other family members are all buried there too. Its just a half block up a hill from our place so it looks really spooky at night too, I love it.

__________
This is the war and not the warning.
starmekitten Posted - 04/12/2005 : 07:35:49
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey

quote:
Originally posted by starmekitten

Didn't we both mention once the knowing when a spider is going to turn up thing after I cellophaned that battle spider in my sink?

Am I imagining that, it's 4am it wouldn't be unusual


Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.



That makes no sense at all.


“Did I leave the gas on? No! I’m – no – I’m a fucking squirrel!”



Last summer I wrote about a seven legged giant spider that had turned up in my bathroom sink and how I knew it was going to be there before I even got to the bathroom, and I'm sure it was Apl who said she had the same thing sometimes. I then cellophaned the sink being deathly afraid of spiders I didn't want the bastard escaping.

Thomas, I just read through that and they sound like some fucked up kids right there


Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
Thomas Posted - 04/12/2005 : 06:47:58
quote:
Originally posted by darwin

Thomas - who is that photo? It looks very familiar.




Ricky Kasso

In a nut shell he stabbed a friend more than 30 times, gouging his eyes out. Repetedly telling him "Say you love Satan" over and over while high on drugs. The media ran away with the whole heavy metal and satanism stuff. There is even a novel you might be able to find in the True Crime section also called "Say You Love Satan". I know this has nothing to do with ghosts, it is just something that has been sensationalized by the media like the Amityville murders. There are a couple of "b" movies about it, Ricky 6 and My Sweet Satan. I've seen neither movie. I do know my Aunt Ida, who live there at the time, had a few cats missing before the murder occured. Coincidence?


Satanic cult killing in New York
Breskin, David
Rolling Stone p30(10) Nov 22, 1984
quote:
A POLICE DOG WENT MAD ON THE FOURTH OF JULY, DEEP IN THE WOODS behind
Main Street. Howling and sniffing, he found enough flesh for a fingerprint
and a pile of bones wearing denim vest, running pants, white undershorts,
Nikes. Next to the grave was a black spot on the ground where the body had
lain ten days before burial. Tissue had darkened and blood had drained. The
body sank into the earth.

Under some leaves, the worms did their work,
transfigured themselves into flies and flew off. They left bones cleaned of
flesh, full of dents from the blade of a knife. Thirty stabs? Forty stabs?
Fifty? The eye sockets were whittled. There was no face to speak of. And
these were just kids.

Over the course of two weeks, as the body became a skeleton, at least
fifteen and perhaps thirty teenagers and young adults were told of the
murder, some in great detail. A few were taken to the site, a ten-minute
walk from the quaint main drag and harbor park of Northport, Long Island,
to view the corpse, a dissolving trophy. No one breathed a word of the
killing to police, to parents, to any authorities. Finally, a girl who'd
overheard some other girls talking about it made an anonymous call to the
police.

The skeleton was Gary Lauwers, 17, a high-school dropout who had often
run away from his Northport home. The alleged murderers were Ricky Kasso,
17, and Jimmy Troiano, 18, both of whom had rejected school, home and work
for a life of streets, backyards, forts, woods, cars, boats, friends'
floor. They were bad kids of the 'burbs. They were found the next day,
sleeping in a car, and were subsequently arrested.

Kasso had been charged in April with digging up a grave the previous
fall. (Gary Lauvers was among those who watched.) In his pocket, at the
time of that arrest, was a list of the Dignitaries in Hell. In May, his
parents had taken him to Long Island Jewish Hospital: he had pneumonia.
While there, they sought to have him involuntarily committed. They'd
already tried the drug rehab route at South Oaks Hospital, to no avail.
They told the doctors of his grave digging, daily use of hallucinogens and
other drugs, suicide attempts and jokes, threatening behavior. The
psychiatrists found Kasso to be "antisocial," but not "presently
psychotic," and let him go.

Two months later, after the murder arrests, Jimmy Troiano was placed
in a special observation cell. Kasso was not. Kasso, reportedly accompanied
by chants of "Hang up, hang up" from his cell mates, did so. Troiano, who'd
been in jail before, signed a confession but later pleaded not guilty, and
now awaits trial for second-degree murder.

The crime attracted international attention, in no small part because
Suffolk County investigators said Kasso was a "member of a satanic cult"
and that a throng of chanting cultists witnessed the "sacrificial"
slaughter. The press came howling and sniffing. The throng turned out to be
as phantom as the cheering mob at Big Dan's in the rape trial in New
Bedford; and the satanic cult, the Knights of the Black Circle, turned out
to be a fading organization of cat-burning, dope-dealing delinquents to
whom Kasso was not particularly close. He did those things well enough on
his own.

The story told here is the story as seen through the eyes, and told
through the voices, of Ricky's and Jimmy's and Gary's peers. It's the story
of antisocial behavior become social, of the rules of the game in the game
of growing up. THE ACID KING

Click here if you want to read the rest



[edit] shortened it.

"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard"
Homers_pet_monkey Posted - 04/12/2005 : 05:35:31
quote:
Originally posted by starmekitten

Didn't we both mention once the knowing when a spider is going to turn up thing after I cellophaned that battle spider in my sink?

Am I imagining that, it's 4am it wouldn't be unusual


Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.



That makes no sense at all.


“Did I leave the gas on? No! I’m – no – I’m a fucking squirrel!”
Newo Posted - 04/12/2005 : 00:44:39
Maybe dead people and people waiting to be born, Elephant, perhaps past and present and future are more subtly intertwined than this timeline lark the motionpicture industry and David Deutsch are so keen on.

I was googling for Blackalicious lyrics and I got this which they´d sampled from:

(Woah. Stay, stay, stay)
(Daisy! Daisy!)
(I love daisies, I love daisies,
I love pushing up your favourite daisies)
(Daisy!)
(This is Posdnuos, the president of a paragraph)
POS:
Paragraph
President
President preaching 'bout the on-tech,
Known for the new step,
Stop and take a bow
Amityville
Resident
Resident supported by the speaker view
Want to feel it in your shoe
Let me show you how
Platform
Witnesses
Witnesses, show you to my show-lab
Fill you with my vocab
Hope you have a spoon
Discuss
Contracts
You like the way I vocalise
And bring it to a compromise
My P.A. won't set up till noon
It's a DAISY age
Sun
Ceiling
Ceiling connects to the sun
Burning inside everyone
On a side, plug-a-fied sire
One
Million
Demonstrations have been heard
My hair burns when I'm referred
Kid shouts my roof is on fire
Go
Dancing
Dancing like a bandit
Psychics try to stand it
Keep it up until they burn a cell
Romancing
Romancing dialect in shows
Posdnuos creating flow
You say you didn't know
Oh well, it's a DAISY age
DOVE:
Pedal

Promenade
Promenade people to the providence
Dove will show dominance
Inside of every phrase
Rebel
Renegade
Renegade reaching only topflight
Can't find your new height
Think you need a raise
Dialect
Ultimate
Ultimate strings from the soul stuff
Copies always staying rough
Before they go to plate
Try a pack
It'll stick
Stick to you but won't deflate
Keeping all the levels straight
I tell you, mate, that we're top rate
'Cause it's a DAISY age
The speak
Motor
Motor is the heart beat
Sleeping in your car seat
Kept alive to every mile discovered
Complete
Quota
Quota sharp at 12 noon
Risen to a new tune
Positive is greater than negative
Image
Mirror
Mirror image don't contend
Vocals should be comprehended
Silver audience'll say what's said
Scrimmage
Nearer
Nearer to the goal line
Forget about the rose vine
The Soul will let you know it's time
And it's a DAISY age
(La la la la, lah)
(This is a DAISY age)
(Sing about, sing about the DAISY age)
(Let it rain, let it rain, rain on a DAISY)
(Rain on, rain on)



--

"Here love," brakes on a high squeak, "it´s not backstage at the old Windmill or something, you know."
darwin Posted - 04/12/2005 : 00:31:19
Thomas - who is that photo? It looks very familiar.
starmekitten Posted - 04/11/2005 : 19:52:14
Didn't we both mention once the knowing when a spider is going to turn up thing after I cellophaned that battle spider in my sink?

Am I imagining that, it's 4am it wouldn't be unusual


Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
apl4eris Posted - 04/11/2005 : 19:13:18
Apparently one of my ancestors had a castle in Scotland, that still stands, that has a skeleton walled up inside it. That'd be one hell of a haint-cleanin-job. Being the castle is made of stone and all.

Neat story, Elephant. The precognition thing has happened to me many times, and to several other people I know. I definitely think there is something real going on there.


We smoke while we flip the bird.
Elephant Posted - 04/11/2005 : 18:03:34
Yeah that's pretty scary stuff - SPOOKY SPOOKY!

I believe there is life after love... I mean death. (Judging from your MP3 the dead make better music then Cher)

My aunt is pretty into the entier ghost thing, same with my mom. They read all these shitty books on ghosts and stuff, and "spirits" and things.

Personally I think the universe is gotta' be far too big to have our existance end after our death. Like just think what we don't know about the universe and how big it is - you can't!

Your head just starts to hurt or your thought process comes to a stand still. Even as a kid I always thought we were not suposta' think about it and so for our own safety we physically can't think of the possibilities.

Now back to my aunt - she's had some strange things happen. She talks about how she had seen her daughter walking around the house and she really wasn't in the house she had run to the store without telling her.

She also had told my mom on the phone about how she had a dream that (the same daughter) was hit by a truck (not a car) and then the next day she was hit by a truck (specifically a truck). I don't see any reason for my mom or her to lie about it - so it must be true.

Later she was divorcved and her ex had joint-custody. So the ex was renting a house and I've heard some very strange stories about it. It was a red house and my cousines would always tell me strange stories about how they had seen a little girl walking about the house, and how they had all returned home one night to find a glass coffee table broken and on many differnet occasions dishes would be broken.

Personally I think the dead have something with the colour red, it attacts them or something. Don't ask me where I get this from - but even as a kid I thought the same thing.

So yes - I do believe in ghosts. I can say I do believe they ARE dead people, but not like the dead people you would imagine. I think it's just energy that's not self-aware or anything, it just sits in one place.

I remember watching a documentry talking about how people believe that different stones can trap energy (specificly of the dead) and that's why a lot of castles in London or whatever are suposta' be haunted - because of the stone they're made from.
Cult_Of_Frank Posted - 04/11/2005 : 17:33:47
The story would be unbelievable except that I believe you and that is some creepy stuff on there (to me). I'm just wondering technically what could've happened, it's really quite bizarre. It's the same pattern throughout, which is interesting.


"I joined the Cult of Frank / Wooteenie!"
SpudBoy Posted - 04/11/2005 : 17:17:29
To give technical background, I was down in the basement recording at about 3am, when my sampler just started making this rhythmic noise. I had been using it a little while before, and I was tired, so I looked around to see what I had just laid on the keys.

For those of you who are not aware, MIDI is Musical Instrument Digital Interface. It basically is instructional data sent to a sound-generating device (like my Sampler) to say "Play this note for this long, this loud". The sampler requires MIDI input to do anything soundwise.

So I'm looking around, and I don't see anything pressing any keys on any synthesizers, I check my sequencer - it's off. So I unplug the MIDI cables from the back. The sound doesn't stop. This is when I get chills. I have had things rearranged down there while no one was in the house, so I was already a little on edge about the possibilities there, but this was the first anomaly I was witnessing. The rhythm is slow, deliberate - kind of an ambient "shave-and-a-haircut" bit. After a couple minutes of being frozen in my tracks, it stops, and I leap into action. I throw a tape in, and hit record. A few minutes later, it starts again - still no MIDI cables, no visible means of control. Apl runs down asking what it is and I can't really form a sentence - after it was over I managed to explain it, but the recording above represents what I was able to capture. It never happened again.

Edit - spelling.


"High fructose corn syrup: It makes the demons worse." - Wesley Willis
apl4eris Posted - 04/11/2005 : 16:46:31
Hey. I wasn't kidding about that song heheheh but seriously. If you want to listen, you can dl it here, my (and Spudboy's) special gift to you:

http://discordis.com/Ghost_in_the_Sampler.mp3

It's spooky though. I suggest you turn it up loud, for full effect. In the dark.

I'm serious.


We smoke while we flip the bird.
Homers_pet_monkey Posted - 04/11/2005 : 14:41:47
You just saved yourself a haunting.


“Did I leave the gas on? No! I’m – no – I’m a fucking squirrel!”
prozacrat Posted - 04/11/2005 : 14:35:37
Nevermind everything I wrote in my last post. Did you see Homers proof?! They're real! Believe! Believe!!!!
Homers_pet_monkey Posted - 04/11/2005 : 13:21:07
Still a doubting Thomas despite me posting proof!


Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
prozacrat Posted - 04/11/2005 : 13:10:02
I've never been one to believe in this type of paranormal activity. I'm nowhere close to knowing enough to say they're not true, but I haven't been convinced, despite a few terrifying experiences of my own. As delicious as the idea of etherreal spirits walking amongst the living is, that doesn't necessarily lend it credibility. But it's fun to imagine. There are some paranormal or supernatural concepts that could very well be possible. Though ghosts are technically possible, that doesn't make it probable by any means.
Homers_pet_monkey Posted - 04/11/2005 : 13:08:19


Now do you believe!?


Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
kathryn Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:56:40
Meatwads? Excuse me?
: )


I just remembered how one of my students
kept telling me she was missing class because she
could only fall asleep at daybreak because her
apartment was too scary. She was a decent person and a
good student, so I didn't think she was making up
a story, though it sounded far-fetched for a 22-year-old
to be afraid of the dark. The following semester,
I had in my class a male student who rented
that same apartment, after she'd graduated.
He said that he didn't believe in ghosts until he moved in
to that obviously haunted apartment. I shrugged it off.
For a paper I assigned that involved historical researched, he researched the history of that building. Of course, he discovered
that in the late 1890s a woman who lived there went on a
rampage and killed all the inhabitants of the home, which
in later years was divided into apartments. The apartment
where both of my students had lived had been the room
in which she killed several people. YIKES!



I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
apl4eris Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:48:55
I don't believe you have to either believe or not believe. I wonder if that puts me in some other dimension.

A ghost trapped in the logic-string of this thread, perhaps?

There are more things in heaven and earth... like talking meatwads, for instance.



We smoke while we flip the bird.
whoreatthedoor Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:44:58
But as I said, I'm not a believer.


Ayúdate a ti mismo, y entonces te ayudarán también los demás. Principio de amor al prójimo.
whoreatthedoor Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:43:16
I was a teenager. Late at night I was sleeping and felt like my body was being crushed by someone. Someone strong. I tried to release myself, and couldn't, but I fighted 'til my lungs were completely empty, then I stopped breathing and felt as if I was in a water suspension tank floating around for ages. "So this is how it feels being dead", I thought. I woke up after a neverending underwater journey through the universe that seemed to last an eternity. I couldn't sleep in a whole week after that.

Probably I felt sleep in a bad posture and it maked my dream, but it was terribly real. I even gave a name to my little ghost, but I don't remember it.

One year before that I saw two times a hominid creature running around my house, incredibly quick. I don't have an rational explanation for this one. A hallucination due to my sexual awakening stress, maybe

PS: When I was writing that I googled a phrase to know it was written correctly and the first site was about a girl telling a similar story. Scary, to say the least.


Ayúdate a ti mismo, y entonces te ayudarán también los demás. Principio de amor al prójimo.
kathryn Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:03:14
Interesting stuff. Thanks, you guys.

Deja vu is your brain processing the present as a memory,
is my crude, non-scientific recollection of the neurological
explanation.

I think you either believe or you don't and I don't. I've lived in a house
where someone commited suicide and in two houses where someone
has died and I've never felt a thing. One night a friend called me to
ask if I would spend the night at her place because there was a thunder-
storm and the house's owner had just died and we ended up
sleeping in the recently deceased person's bed and the whole night
my friend was freaking out as thunder and lightning struck nearby, while
I just slept peacefully. The family of a college friend of mine up and moved
out of their house because they were all convinced it was haunted. I mean,
the 10-year-old sister, the teen son, both parents, they were so freaked out
that they moved out before selling the place. I just don't believe in this stuff.
But I find it fascinating when people sense it or believe in it. I wonder
what Frank would say...


I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
TRANSMARINE Posted - 04/11/2005 : 08:45:42
I have lived in two disturbed places...one area was our entire block growing up, and the second was a beach house I lived in from 1996-2001. Most of the occurrences were unpleasant, but all were higly interesting. I refuse to use the word 'ghost' or 'spirit' or 'entity'...I think there are areas of our physical spaces that can be inhabited with a persistence of memory, much like our own minds. A big experience, shock, trauma...whatever you want to call something that has left a lasting and indelible impression...always seems bigger and exaggerated in hindsight. Nevertheless, these memories of personal experiences seem to crop up when least expected, and we react physically most of the time (shaking, laughing, crying, gasping...etc.). These personal occurrences are not always negative as well. I think what 'hauntings' are are the same thing, only it's happening in an area(or space as opposed to a person) where something took place...these 'memories' become manifest due to an unrecognized trigger. I don't know. Sometimes I wonder if these 'ghosts' are just as stunned and scared to see us as we are to see them! Another theory I have is that there are different planes of existence inhabiting the same area (as most of our perception is 'round', but our time-line is 'straight'), and sometimes, like deja vu (which I believe to be a quick and sudden chemical imbalance, or bypass), something collides and these planes are intertwined for just long enough for us to see thru a window.

Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown

-bRIAN
apl4eris Posted - 04/11/2005 : 04:52:09
We had a poltergeist in our old apartment in Chicago. Used to throw things around when we weren't in the room (thankfully). Plus things got hidden or moved pretty frequently. Never anything bad, except sometimes you got a feeling, for lack of a better word. An acquaintance of ours house sat for us once and said they thought the place had something in it, in the basement, or "coming from the ground" actually, and we hadn't told them anything about it, nor ever spoken about such things. Even with this and quite a few other experiences I've had, I'm just as willing to accept there is a perfectly rational explanation for them. I'd prefer not to think there are entities, possibly good or bad, wandering about. Honestly, I believe there are, both paranormal and supernatural. But not like Hollywood or campfire stories.

It also made its own song on SpudBoy's totally disconnected MIDI sampler. It's very well-developed and quite disturbing, with or without context. It's one of my favorite songs - very traditional Japanese, maybe.

Newo Posted - 04/11/2005 : 02:06:41
I feel in places where great traumas have occurred, like battlefields say, that energy can still be present about the place (everyday example: walk into a room where an argument has taken place beforehand and it´s quite tangible). Boo!

--

"Here love," brakes on a high squeak, "it´s not backstage at the old Windmill or something, you know."
mun chien andalusia Posted - 04/10/2005 : 19:17:19
i live in houses where people died for almost ten years (i moved in the 4th flat a couple of months ago). actually it's ironic since everyplace where i moved into was liberated when the owner died and his children put it on rent. never saw a ghost tho'.


i bash newbies for a living
kathryn Posted - 04/10/2005 : 19:12:51
This might be of interest:

http://www.amityvillemurders.com


I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
kathryn Posted - 04/10/2005 : 19:01:30
Thanks Thomas. Can you jog my memory about
Northport? Close to where I lived, but I can't recall
what you're referring to. Nice pic. Yikes!


I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
Sir Rockabye Posted - 04/10/2005 : 19:00:58
I don't know who that is, but I do know that my dad grew up in Northport.

Oh, and as far as ghosts are concerned, I'm not a believer. I think what Nimrod's Son said though was very accurate.


Some brains just work that way, that's what chemicals can do.
Thomas Posted - 04/10/2005 : 18:49:57
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn

Well, I can't tell you if the new film sucks
but what happened in the town is another case
of a mentally ill person believing they
were being ordered to kill loved ones.
Maybe Thomas and/or OldMan where around LI
at that time and can help me because I don't
remember all the details correctly anymore.


I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics



I was 8 or 9 when the original movie came out. For the life of me I don't know the real story. I was born and raised in Brooklyn, and the only place on Long Island I ever visited before I moved there was Northport. Northport is famous for its own horror that I remember a little more.


Remember that face, circa July 1984.


"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard"
ObfuscateByWill Posted - 04/10/2005 : 16:36:45
I do not believe.

-

Spent the night in a graveyard. No spookier then than it was in the daytime.

-

Got really freaked out at a Catholic Shrine, though. (Sorrowful Mother Shrine)



Beautiful in the daytime. Scary as all hell after dark.

Take a bite of the chocolate coffin.
PixieSteve Posted - 04/10/2005 : 15:54:59
i don't think existance of ghosts will ever be prooved. it's a bit like faith in god. only weirdos believe it.


Oh let it linger
VoVat Posted - 04/10/2005 : 15:52:29
I do believe in spooks. I do believe in spooks.



Seriously, though, I don't think I do believe in ghosts. I don't think there's been any real evidence as to their existence.



"Reunion? Shit union!"
Homers_pet_monkey Posted - 04/10/2005 : 14:31:52
Interesting. Any more info would be appreciated guys.


Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life

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