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kathryn |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 12:25:24 Do you believe in ghosts (no Wilco jokes, please) or spirits or hauntings?
I don't. I've slept in bedrooms where people have died, twice lived in a house thought to be haunted, and I do not believe in this phenomenon. Do you?
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kathryn |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 11:10:21 Thanks Thomas. That takes me back.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
Carolynanna |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 10:03:42 We just moved to a new house that is about half a block away from the oldest graveyard in E-town. It is really cool in there, I'm gonna do me some good rubbings I tell ya.
It's also neat as my hubby's gramps, granny, aunt, cousin and various other family members are all buried there too. Its just a half block up a hill from our place so it looks really spooky at night too, I love it.
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starmekitten |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 07:35:49 quote: Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
quote: Originally posted by starmekitten
Didn't we both mention once the knowing when a spider is going to turn up thing after I cellophaned that battle spider in my sink?
Am I imagining that, it's 4am it wouldn't be unusual
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
That makes no sense at all.
“Did I leave the gas on? No! I’m – no – I’m a fucking squirrel!”
Last summer I wrote about a seven legged giant spider that had turned up in my bathroom sink and how I knew it was going to be there before I even got to the bathroom, and I'm sure it was Apl who said she had the same thing sometimes. I then cellophaned the sink being deathly afraid of spiders I didn't want the bastard escaping.
Thomas, I just read through that and they sound like some fucked up kids right there
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. |
Thomas |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 06:47:58 quote: Originally posted by darwin
Thomas - who is that photo? It looks very familiar.
Ricky Kasso In a nut shell he stabbed a friend more than 30 times, gouging his eyes out. Repetedly telling him "Say you love Satan" over and over while high on drugs. The media ran away with the whole heavy metal and satanism stuff. There is even a novel you might be able to find in the True Crime section also called "Say You Love Satan". I know this has nothing to do with ghosts, it is just something that has been sensationalized by the media like the Amityville murders. There are a couple of "b" movies about it, Ricky 6 and My Sweet Satan. I've seen neither movie. I do know my Aunt Ida, who live there at the time, had a few cats missing before the murder occured. Coincidence?
Satanic cult killing in New York Breskin, David Rolling Stone p30(10) Nov 22, 1984quote: A POLICE DOG WENT MAD ON THE FOURTH OF JULY, DEEP IN THE WOODS behind Main Street. Howling and sniffing, he found enough flesh for a fingerprint and a pile of bones wearing denim vest, running pants, white undershorts, Nikes. Next to the grave was a black spot on the ground where the body had lain ten days before burial. Tissue had darkened and blood had drained. The body sank into the earth.
Under some leaves, the worms did their work, transfigured themselves into flies and flew off. They left bones cleaned of flesh, full of dents from the blade of a knife. Thirty stabs? Forty stabs? Fifty? The eye sockets were whittled. There was no face to speak of. And these were just kids. Over the course of two weeks, as the body became a skeleton, at least fifteen and perhaps thirty teenagers and young adults were told of the murder, some in great detail. A few were taken to the site, a ten-minute walk from the quaint main drag and harbor park of Northport, Long Island, to view the corpse, a dissolving trophy. No one breathed a word of the killing to police, to parents, to any authorities. Finally, a girl who'd overheard some other girls talking about it made an anonymous call to the police. The skeleton was Gary Lauwers, 17, a high-school dropout who had often run away from his Northport home. The alleged murderers were Ricky Kasso, 17, and Jimmy Troiano, 18, both of whom had rejected school, home and work for a life of streets, backyards, forts, woods, cars, boats, friends' floor. They were bad kids of the 'burbs. They were found the next day, sleeping in a car, and were subsequently arrested. Kasso had been charged in April with digging up a grave the previous fall. (Gary Lauvers was among those who watched.) In his pocket, at the time of that arrest, was a list of the Dignitaries in Hell. In May, his parents had taken him to Long Island Jewish Hospital: he had pneumonia. While there, they sought to have him involuntarily committed. They'd already tried the drug rehab route at South Oaks Hospital, to no avail. They told the doctors of his grave digging, daily use of hallucinogens and other drugs, suicide attempts and jokes, threatening behavior. The psychiatrists found Kasso to be "antisocial," but not "presently psychotic," and let him go. Two months later, after the murder arrests, Jimmy Troiano was placed in a special observation cell. Kasso was not. Kasso, reportedly accompanied by chants of "Hang up, hang up" from his cell mates, did so. Troiano, who'd been in jail before, signed a confession but later pleaded not guilty, and now awaits trial for second-degree murder. The crime attracted international attention, in no small part because Suffolk County investigators said Kasso was a "member of a satanic cult" and that a throng of chanting cultists witnessed the "sacrificial" slaughter. The press came howling and sniffing. The throng turned out to be as phantom as the cheering mob at Big Dan's in the rape trial in New Bedford; and the satanic cult, the Knights of the Black Circle, turned out to be a fading organization of cat-burning, dope-dealing delinquents to whom Kasso was not particularly close. He did those things well enough on his own. The story told here is the story as seen through the eyes, and told through the voices, of Ricky's and Jimmy's and Gary's peers. It's the story of antisocial behavior become social, of the rules of the game in the game of growing up. THE ACID KING Click here if you want to read the rest
[edit] shortened it.
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard" |
Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 05:35:31 quote: Originally posted by starmekitten
Didn't we both mention once the knowing when a spider is going to turn up thing after I cellophaned that battle spider in my sink?
Am I imagining that, it's 4am it wouldn't be unusual
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
That makes no sense at all.
“Did I leave the gas on? No! I’m – no – I’m a fucking squirrel!”
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Newo |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 00:44:39 Maybe dead people and people waiting to be born, Elephant, perhaps past and present and future are more subtly intertwined than this timeline lark the motionpicture industry and David Deutsch are so keen on.
I was googling for Blackalicious lyrics and I got this which they´d sampled from:
(Woah. Stay, stay, stay) (Daisy! Daisy!) (I love daisies, I love daisies, I love pushing up your favourite daisies) (Daisy!) (This is Posdnuos, the president of a paragraph) POS: Paragraph President President preaching 'bout the on-tech, Known for the new step, Stop and take a bow Amityville Resident Resident supported by the speaker view Want to feel it in your shoe Let me show you how Platform Witnesses Witnesses, show you to my show-lab Fill you with my vocab Hope you have a spoon Discuss Contracts You like the way I vocalise And bring it to a compromise My P.A. won't set up till noon It's a DAISY age Sun Ceiling Ceiling connects to the sun Burning inside everyone On a side, plug-a-fied sire One Million Demonstrations have been heard My hair burns when I'm referred Kid shouts my roof is on fire Go Dancing Dancing like a bandit Psychics try to stand it Keep it up until they burn a cell Romancing Romancing dialect in shows Posdnuos creating flow You say you didn't know Oh well, it's a DAISY age DOVE: Pedal Promenade Promenade people to the providence Dove will show dominance Inside of every phrase Rebel Renegade Renegade reaching only topflight Can't find your new height Think you need a raise Dialect Ultimate Ultimate strings from the soul stuff Copies always staying rough Before they go to plate Try a pack It'll stick Stick to you but won't deflate Keeping all the levels straight I tell you, mate, that we're top rate 'Cause it's a DAISY age The speak Motor Motor is the heart beat Sleeping in your car seat Kept alive to every mile discovered Complete Quota Quota sharp at 12 noon Risen to a new tune Positive is greater than negative Image Mirror Mirror image don't contend Vocals should be comprehended Silver audience'll say what's said Scrimmage Nearer Nearer to the goal line Forget about the rose vine The Soul will let you know it's time And it's a DAISY age (La la la la, lah) (This is a DAISY age) (Sing about, sing about the DAISY age) (Let it rain, let it rain, rain on a DAISY) (Rain on, rain on)
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"Here love," brakes on a high squeak, "it´s not backstage at the old Windmill or something, you know." |
darwin |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 00:31:19 Thomas - who is that photo? It looks very familiar. |
starmekitten |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 19:52:14 Didn't we both mention once the knowing when a spider is going to turn up thing after I cellophaned that battle spider in my sink?
Am I imagining that, it's 4am it wouldn't be unusual
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. |
apl4eris |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 19:13:18 Apparently one of my ancestors had a castle in Scotland, that still stands, that has a skeleton walled up inside it. That'd be one hell of a haint-cleanin-job. Being the castle is made of stone and all.
Neat story, Elephant. The precognition thing has happened to me many times, and to several other people I know. I definitely think there is something real going on there.
We smoke while we flip the bird. |
Elephant |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 18:03:34 Yeah that's pretty scary stuff - SPOOKY SPOOKY!
I believe there is life after love... I mean death. (Judging from your MP3 the dead make better music then Cher)
My aunt is pretty into the entier ghost thing, same with my mom. They read all these shitty books on ghosts and stuff, and "spirits" and things.
Personally I think the universe is gotta' be far too big to have our existance end after our death. Like just think what we don't know about the universe and how big it is - you can't!
Your head just starts to hurt or your thought process comes to a stand still. Even as a kid I always thought we were not suposta' think about it and so for our own safety we physically can't think of the possibilities.
Now back to my aunt - she's had some strange things happen. She talks about how she had seen her daughter walking around the house and she really wasn't in the house she had run to the store without telling her.
She also had told my mom on the phone about how she had a dream that (the same daughter) was hit by a truck (not a car) and then the next day she was hit by a truck (specifically a truck). I don't see any reason for my mom or her to lie about it - so it must be true.
Later she was divorcved and her ex had joint-custody. So the ex was renting a house and I've heard some very strange stories about it. It was a red house and my cousines would always tell me strange stories about how they had seen a little girl walking about the house, and how they had all returned home one night to find a glass coffee table broken and on many differnet occasions dishes would be broken.
Personally I think the dead have something with the colour red, it attacts them or something. Don't ask me where I get this from - but even as a kid I thought the same thing.
So yes - I do believe in ghosts. I can say I do believe they ARE dead people, but not like the dead people you would imagine. I think it's just energy that's not self-aware or anything, it just sits in one place.
I remember watching a documentry talking about how people believe that different stones can trap energy (specificly of the dead) and that's why a lot of castles in London or whatever are suposta' be haunted - because of the stone they're made from. |
Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 17:33:47 The story would be unbelievable except that I believe you and that is some creepy stuff on there (to me). I'm just wondering technically what could've happened, it's really quite bizarre. It's the same pattern throughout, which is interesting.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / Wooteenie!" |
SpudBoy |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 17:17:29 To give technical background, I was down in the basement recording at about 3am, when my sampler just started making this rhythmic noise. I had been using it a little while before, and I was tired, so I looked around to see what I had just laid on the keys.
For those of you who are not aware, MIDI is Musical Instrument Digital Interface. It basically is instructional data sent to a sound-generating device (like my Sampler) to say "Play this note for this long, this loud". The sampler requires MIDI input to do anything soundwise.
So I'm looking around, and I don't see anything pressing any keys on any synthesizers, I check my sequencer - it's off. So I unplug the MIDI cables from the back. The sound doesn't stop. This is when I get chills. I have had things rearranged down there while no one was in the house, so I was already a little on edge about the possibilities there, but this was the first anomaly I was witnessing. The rhythm is slow, deliberate - kind of an ambient "shave-and-a-haircut" bit. After a couple minutes of being frozen in my tracks, it stops, and I leap into action. I throw a tape in, and hit record. A few minutes later, it starts again - still no MIDI cables, no visible means of control. Apl runs down asking what it is and I can't really form a sentence - after it was over I managed to explain it, but the recording above represents what I was able to capture. It never happened again.
Edit - spelling.
"High fructose corn syrup: It makes the demons worse." - Wesley Willis |
apl4eris |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 16:46:31 Hey. I wasn't kidding about that song heheheh but seriously. If you want to listen, you can dl it here, my (and Spudboy's) special gift to you:
http://discordis.com/Ghost_in_the_Sampler.mp3
It's spooky though. I suggest you turn it up loud, for full effect. In the dark.
I'm serious.
We smoke while we flip the bird. |
Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 14:41:47 You just saved yourself a haunting.
“Did I leave the gas on? No! I’m – no – I’m a fucking squirrel!”
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prozacrat |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 14:35:37 Nevermind everything I wrote in my last post. Did you see Homers proof?! They're real! Believe! Believe!!!! |
Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 13:21:07 Still a doubting Thomas despite me posting proof!
Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
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prozacrat |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 13:10:02 I've never been one to believe in this type of paranormal activity. I'm nowhere close to knowing enough to say they're not true, but I haven't been convinced, despite a few terrifying experiences of my own. As delicious as the idea of etherreal spirits walking amongst the living is, that doesn't necessarily lend it credibility. But it's fun to imagine. There are some paranormal or supernatural concepts that could very well be possible. Though ghosts are technically possible, that doesn't make it probable by any means. |
Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 13:08:19
Now do you believe!?
Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
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kathryn |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:56:40 Meatwads? Excuse me? : )
I just remembered how one of my students kept telling me she was missing class because she could only fall asleep at daybreak because her apartment was too scary. She was a decent person and a good student, so I didn't think she was making up a story, though it sounded far-fetched for a 22-year-old to be afraid of the dark. The following semester, I had in my class a male student who rented that same apartment, after she'd graduated. He said that he didn't believe in ghosts until he moved in to that obviously haunted apartment. I shrugged it off. For a paper I assigned that involved historical researched, he researched the history of that building. Of course, he discovered that in the late 1890s a woman who lived there went on a rampage and killed all the inhabitants of the home, which in later years was divided into apartments. The apartment where both of my students had lived had been the room in which she killed several people. YIKES!
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
apl4eris |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:48:55 I don't believe you have to either believe or not believe. I wonder if that puts me in some other dimension.
A ghost trapped in the logic-string of this thread, perhaps?
There are more things in heaven and earth... like talking meatwads, for instance.
We smoke while we flip the bird. |
whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:44:58 But as I said, I'm not a believer.
Ayúdate a ti mismo, y entonces te ayudarán también los demás. Principio de amor al prójimo. |
whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:43:16 I was a teenager. Late at night I was sleeping and felt like my body was being crushed by someone. Someone strong. I tried to release myself, and couldn't, but I fighted 'til my lungs were completely empty, then I stopped breathing and felt as if I was in a water suspension tank floating around for ages. "So this is how it feels being dead", I thought. I woke up after a neverending underwater journey through the universe that seemed to last an eternity. I couldn't sleep in a whole week after that.
Probably I felt sleep in a bad posture and it maked my dream, but it was terribly real. I even gave a name to my little ghost, but I don't remember it.
One year before that I saw two times a hominid creature running around my house, incredibly quick. I don't have an rational explanation for this one. A hallucination due to my sexual awakening stress, maybe
PS: When I was writing that I googled a phrase to know it was written correctly and the first site was about a girl telling a similar story. Scary, to say the least.
Ayúdate a ti mismo, y entonces te ayudarán también los demás. Principio de amor al prójimo. |
kathryn |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 11:03:14 Interesting stuff. Thanks, you guys.
Deja vu is your brain processing the present as a memory, is my crude, non-scientific recollection of the neurological explanation.
I think you either believe or you don't and I don't. I've lived in a house where someone commited suicide and in two houses where someone has died and I've never felt a thing. One night a friend called me to ask if I would spend the night at her place because there was a thunder- storm and the house's owner had just died and we ended up sleeping in the recently deceased person's bed and the whole night my friend was freaking out as thunder and lightning struck nearby, while I just slept peacefully. The family of a college friend of mine up and moved out of their house because they were all convinced it was haunted. I mean, the 10-year-old sister, the teen son, both parents, they were so freaked out that they moved out before selling the place. I just don't believe in this stuff. But I find it fascinating when people sense it or believe in it. I wonder what Frank would say...
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 08:45:42 I have lived in two disturbed places...one area was our entire block growing up, and the second was a beach house I lived in from 1996-2001. Most of the occurrences were unpleasant, but all were higly interesting. I refuse to use the word 'ghost' or 'spirit' or 'entity'...I think there are areas of our physical spaces that can be inhabited with a persistence of memory, much like our own minds. A big experience, shock, trauma...whatever you want to call something that has left a lasting and indelible impression...always seems bigger and exaggerated in hindsight. Nevertheless, these memories of personal experiences seem to crop up when least expected, and we react physically most of the time (shaking, laughing, crying, gasping...etc.). These personal occurrences are not always negative as well. I think what 'hauntings' are are the same thing, only it's happening in an area(or space as opposed to a person) where something took place...these 'memories' become manifest due to an unrecognized trigger. I don't know. Sometimes I wonder if these 'ghosts' are just as stunned and scared to see us as we are to see them! Another theory I have is that there are different planes of existence inhabiting the same area (as most of our perception is 'round', but our time-line is 'straight'), and sometimes, like deja vu (which I believe to be a quick and sudden chemical imbalance, or bypass), something collides and these planes are intertwined for just long enough for us to see thru a window.
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
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apl4eris |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 04:52:09 We had a poltergeist in our old apartment in Chicago. Used to throw things around when we weren't in the room (thankfully). Plus things got hidden or moved pretty frequently. Never anything bad, except sometimes you got a feeling, for lack of a better word. An acquaintance of ours house sat for us once and said they thought the place had something in it, in the basement, or "coming from the ground" actually, and we hadn't told them anything about it, nor ever spoken about such things. Even with this and quite a few other experiences I've had, I'm just as willing to accept there is a perfectly rational explanation for them. I'd prefer not to think there are entities, possibly good or bad, wandering about. Honestly, I believe there are, both paranormal and supernatural. But not like Hollywood or campfire stories.
It also made its own song on SpudBoy's totally disconnected MIDI sampler. It's very well-developed and quite disturbing, with or without context. It's one of my favorite songs - very traditional Japanese, maybe.
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Newo |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 02:06:41 I feel in places where great traumas have occurred, like battlefields say, that energy can still be present about the place (everyday example: walk into a room where an argument has taken place beforehand and it´s quite tangible). Boo!
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mun chien andalusia |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 19:17:19 i live in houses where people died for almost ten years (i moved in the 4th flat a couple of months ago). actually it's ironic since everyplace where i moved into was liberated when the owner died and his children put it on rent. never saw a ghost tho'.
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kathryn |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 19:12:51 This might be of interest:
http://www.amityvillemurders.com
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
kathryn |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 19:01:30 Thanks Thomas. Can you jog my memory about Northport? Close to where I lived, but I can't recall what you're referring to. Nice pic. Yikes!
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
Sir Rockabye |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 19:00:58 I don't know who that is, but I do know that my dad grew up in Northport.
Oh, and as far as ghosts are concerned, I'm not a believer. I think what Nimrod's Son said though was very accurate.
Some brains just work that way, that's what chemicals can do. |
Thomas |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 18:49:57 quote: Originally posted by kathryn
Well, I can't tell you if the new film sucks but what happened in the town is another case of a mentally ill person believing they were being ordered to kill loved ones. Maybe Thomas and/or OldMan where around LI at that time and can help me because I don't remember all the details correctly anymore.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
I was 8 or 9 when the original movie came out. For the life of me I don't know the real story. I was born and raised in Brooklyn, and the only place on Long Island I ever visited before I moved there was Northport. Northport is famous for its own horror that I remember a little more.
Remember that face, circa July 1984.
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard" |
ObfuscateByWill |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 16:36:45 I do not believe.
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Spent the night in a graveyard. No spookier then than it was in the daytime.
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Got really freaked out at a Catholic Shrine, though. (Sorrowful Mother Shrine)
Beautiful in the daytime. Scary as all hell after dark.
Take a bite of the chocolate coffin. |
PixieSteve |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 15:54:59 i don't think existance of ghosts will ever be prooved. it's a bit like faith in god. only weirdos believe it.
Oh let it linger |
VoVat |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 15:52:29 I do believe in spooks. I do believe in spooks.
Seriously, though, I don't think I do believe in ghosts. I don't think there's been any real evidence as to their existence.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 04/10/2005 : 14:31:52 Interesting. Any more info would be appreciated guys.
Ducking for apples - change one letter and it's the story of my life
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