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| The Calistanian |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 09:42:54
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20050322/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting_32
This happened about an hour from where I live.
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| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 04/03/2005 : 09:02:46
I talked about it with my mom and I remembered my teenager years.
If I had access to guns in those days I sure would had killed someone. That's the point, I guess.
The violet, the lily and the pink but those I refused all three |
| kathryn |
Posted - 04/02/2005 : 12:25:31
mosleyk, I am feeling the love. Thanks for your words.
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 04/01/2005 : 21:10:35
I was one of those one plane of emotion prozac users, it'd last for a while then everything would crumble again so they'd up the dosage until they had me on I think it's 60mg isn't? multiples of 20mg with 60 max? I don't remember. I just remember not feeling much of anything for a long time.
 cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| dayanara |
Posted - 04/01/2005 : 20:03:37
quote:
Originally posted by mosleyk
...Infact, most of our transplant patients go on prozac for a time. But, they are very closely monitored. And the prozac really helps them get through the very long inpatient stay pre and post transplant...
this has been my experience as well. i work mostly with acute spinal cord injuries and literally every single quad that comes through the door is put on either zoloft or prozac within a few hours of admission. can't swallow the pill? hell, we'll crush it up and shove it down your feeding tube.
i was on prozac years and years ago and it made me absolutely nuts. i'd walk out of the house, leave the front door wide open and drive around town, no idea where i was going... randomly passed out a few times...not fun.
I love my dead gay son! |
| VoVat |
Posted - 04/01/2005 : 19:44:32
quote:
I have a feeling I know what is going to be blamed in this case....Prozac.
Michael Badnarik blamed Columbine on Ritalin.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 04/01/2005 : 04:58:43
quote:
Originally posted by tobafett
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Yeah Darth Vader's not a goth, yet still his son is ashamed of him.
not true, homers...go watch the films.
luke was not ashamed of dv, just afraid at first. then came acceptance and forgiveness and redemption (after he cut off his forearm) for dv. luke allowed his anger to escape and at the same time, his father's...
dv's daughter prob. never got the chance to forgive on celluloid. now that's sad.
but they all got to roast marshmallows and ewok k'babs 'round the fire at the picnic at the end...
I knew some nerd would pull me up on that.
I bent the truth a little for the purpose of the joke.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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| mosleyk |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 16:33:45
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
mosleyk, zyban = wellbutrin, if I remember correctly.
I feel a bit funny talking about anti-depressants because
depression is such a horrible thing and people should
be helped! That said...two of the people closest
to me have undergone bona fide personality changes since each went on SSRIs. One, yes, had her depression lift
but a sort of carefree attitude bordering on mania ensued and she made several amazingly bad choices. She's the first to admit that she traded one devil for another. Oh and she's a mental health professional. The other person, after going on anti-depressants, has had his emotions outright flatline, like he's perpetually in a yoga class. You could tell him his cat got run over and he'd give you a Zen stare. He's no longer depressed but he's a zombie and hard to connect with or even talk to. And he thinks this is dandy and sings the praises of his Paxil. Still, I am convinced that anti-depressants help many, many people.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
Yes Zyban is Wellbutrin. And they discovered that it worked to stop smoking cravings after many people living at residential care facilities taking it were noted to have stopped smoking. I used to work in a residential care facility for the mentally ill, so do have a genuine interest and passion for these issues. I agree mental issues must be addressed. I am not anti...anti-depressants. Infact, most of our transplant patients go on prozac for a time. But, they are very closely monitored. And the prozac really helps them get through the very long inpatient stay pre and post transplant.
Unfortunately I really believe many doctors are too quick to prescribe them when behavior modification would work better. Also, studies have should that anti-depressants and counselling need to go hand in hand. Many doctors prescribe and don't refer.
I am sorry you have had to watch friends struggle with this issue. It certainly is not easy for anybody involved and there are no fix all answers.
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| tobafett |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 16:04:44
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Yeah Darth Vader's not a goth, yet still his son is ashamed of him.
not true, homers...go watch the films.
luke was not ashamed of dv, just afraid at first. then came acceptance and forgiveness and redemption (after he cut off his forearm) for dv. luke allowed his anger to escape and at the same time, his father's...
dv's daughter prob. never got the chance to forgive on celluloid. now that's sad.
but they all got to roast marshmallows and ewok k'babs 'round the fire at the picnic at the end... |
| kathryn |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 15:56:28
mosleyk, zyban = wellbutrin, if I remember correctly.
I feel a bit funny talking about anti-depressants because
depression is such a horrible thing and people should
be helped! That said...two of the people closest
to me have undergone bona fide personality changes since each went on SSRIs. One, yes, had her depression lift
but a sort of carefree attitude bordering on mania ensued and she made several amazingly bad choices. She's the first to admit that she traded one devil for another. Oh and she's a mental health professional. The other person, after going on anti-depressants, has had his emotions outright flatline, like he's perpetually in a yoga class. You could tell him his cat got run over and he'd give you a Zen stare. He's no longer depressed but he's a zombie and hard to connect with or even talk to. And he thinks this is dandy and sings the praises of his Paxil. Still, I am convinced that anti-depressants help many, many people.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 14:16:51
my ex did a study on antidepressants, he told me that the trouble with them is often rather than treat the depression they give a person enough of a lift to do something about it, ie suicide. A good many depressives actually don't do the deed because of the lack of energy and enthusiasm towards it and everything. Fluoxatine gives a quicky fix for that
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| BLT |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 14:03:03
Amazingly, the FDA finally started requiring "black box" labels on antidepressants last October. |
| mosleyk |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 12:22:51
I actually work in research. I started working as an analyst for the IRB of a medical university and now I am in Peds Hem/Onc running their studies. When I was in the IRB I remember coming across all sorts of adverse event (AE) reports with anti-depressants. For instance Zyban which is marketed under that name for smoking cessation is actually an anti-depressant and you wouldn't believe all of the AE reports for people who took it to stop smoking and then ended up with suicidal and homicidal ideations. Not too mention reports of how horribly it interacts with alcohol.
Honestly, I think that anti-depressants are very serious drugs and unfortunately docs can be too quick to prescribe them because we think just because something has an FDA approval it is safe.
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| kathryn |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 11:39:36
Funny you should mention that mosleyk. My friend's
brother recently killed himself two weeks after
starting Prozac, and his family is up in arms about
the drug and contemplating a lawsuit. I'm not sure
what to make of it. It seems like a new phenomenon.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| mosleyk |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 08:02:51
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
Bingo! They will find a fall guy, they'll blame some
blameless, totally unrelated thing or person.
And they will also forget all about this subject
until the next school shooting.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
I have a feeling I know what is going to be blamed in this case....Prozac. Ends up the kid was on Prozac just like some other kid who shot his parents some months back (ironically enough I remember the Prozac part of the story, but nothing else). So now focus will shift to Prozac and nobody will talk about why all these kids are on Prozac to begin with. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/31/2005 : 04:39:21
Yeah Darth Vader's not a goth, yet still his son is ashamed of him.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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| VoVat |
Posted - 03/30/2005 : 18:09:23
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Oh c'mon. Goth kids are asking for it.
But not everyone who wears a black trenchcoat and likes the Cure is necessarily a Goth. It's kind of ridiculous to spread these labels around as if they're somehow relevant to the news.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| kathryn |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 12:10:15
Bingo! They will find a fall guy, they'll blame some
blameless, totally unrelated thing or person.
And they will also forget all about this subject
until the next school shooting.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 12:03:46
quote:
Originally posted by Daisy Girl
This is definately a sad thing... to add to the list of stereotypes the media portrayed the shooter/victims. They called him goth, which I always hate. Why do you have to make it even harder for goth kids than it already is to fit in?
So that they can blame Marilyn Manson.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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| kathryn |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 12:02:02
Last week, I was at the grocery store and a teenage
girl was walking in and she had the coolest mohawk
-- tall and green and amazing. She was dressed in
what today is called "Goth" but back in my teen years
(70s) was called how the non-disco fans dressed.
Anyhoo. Everybody in the store is looking at her.
Old people are pointing. The tweed-and-pearl-wearing
SUV moms are whispering. I'm walking out as she's
walking in and I lean to her and say "Great hair!"
And her face went from a scowl to the sweetest smile.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| BLT |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 08:04:38
Oh c'mon. Goth kids are asking for it. |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 19:02:40
Rushmore... that's a great flick....
Sorry Sir Rock you had to walk so far in the figgin cold. Well at least you could impress the other folks with some major cool vinyl.
This is definately a sad thing... to add to the list of stereotypes the media portrayed the shooter/victims. They called him goth, which I always hate. Why do you have to make it even harder for goth kids than it already is to fit in? |
| Sir Rockabye |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 19:01:02
Hehe, thank K, I try my best.
Floop, the only thing our school is really missing is an attractive teacher like Olivia Williams to be a Wes Anderson flick. I of course, would play the role of Max Fischer.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
| floop |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:22:57
i picture Sir Rock's school being like Rushmore, in RUSHMORE
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| kathryn |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:17:00
No shit, you belong to a vinyl collector's club at your school?
The Sir, you are so fucking cool, man!
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| Sir Rockabye |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:12:46
Hey! Today I did walk home three miles in the rain/snow. No umbrella or anything. I was frozen/dripping after about half a block. Last time I ever stay after school to go to a meeting of the vinyl collector's club. At least I got to shock and amaze fellow classmates with Ed is Dead and Levitate Me.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:08:42
Stay strong!
Seriously, this is so weird and upsetting. And nothing like what
it was like when I walked two miles to school in the snow
without shoes. I mean, when I was in high school in the 70s.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| Sir Rockabye |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:03:37
Yeah, my sentiments as well, and actually the sentiments of most of my peers. It's a good feeling knowning that they aren't getting to all of us.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 17:00:20
Army ads and corporate sponsors in public schools? Jeez.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 14:14:16
I was talking more about these school shootings that seem to occur every so often in America. You never seem to hear about them anywhere else (not nearly as often anyway). I am sure it's not too difficult for kids to get hold of guns in Brazil (form what I hear) but you don't seem to hear about this happening there. That's why I put into question gun laws for this particular scenario. There must be other reasons, apart from ease of acces to guns, as to why the US has so many of these school shootings.
I don't think it's a anything to do with not liking Mondays either, though it's spooky to think of that song, seeing as this shooting also occured on a Monday. Pure coincidence of course.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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| Sir Rockabye |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 13:37:36
Calistanian's got it exactly right, we still use Channel 1 news. Adverts are shown, mostly for the army and then the occasional cororate sponsor.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
| The Calistanian |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 12:43:08
Well, we had this type of thing way back when I was in school even (early 90's). It would come on once a day, like 10 a.m., and it would be 15 minutes of news (political, scientific, headlines, whatever). The anchors were young, probably early 20's. It was called "Channel 1", and strange enough, it was on channel 1. The TV's weren't hooked up to cable or anything, so this was the only time of day anything would be on. There was a TV in every classroom. It was kind of like an MTV News meets The Evening News (I remember first hearing about Kurt Cobain's death on this).
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2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
3. I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 11:01:14
Can The Sir also enlighten us as to whether there are
any commercials or advertisements? Either during
before or after the school TV news or in the cafeterias, etc.
Thanks.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 10:23:05
I still think thats odd though, classroom news?
sorry, do you mind me asking, what sort of news programs do they show? if it's different from regular news how so, does it feature things such as the incident in questions and other gun crime issues, does it feature world issues, american issues, political issues, scientific things? i'm curious
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| Sir Rockabye |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 19:32:49
quote:
Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
american schools are so odd. i mean schools with tv circuits? i don't think that there is anything similar in europe, in italy and in greece at least. tv is considered to be the archnemesis of education to be avoided at all costs and not a thing to put in a school (documentaries and science films apart).
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
Sorry if I wasn't making myself clear. The televisions we use in the classrooms are used solely for the morning news (and not just the regular news, a new program created just for use in the classroom) and for the daily morning announcements. I agree that TV should be kept out of the classrooms, if it is to be misused. Sorry if I was not clear.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
| The Calistanian |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 19:17:49
Just a side point...
Apparently (I heard this from another news source) the boy's grandfather was a police officer, and he took his gun and killed him...so the fact that he had his hands on a gun may have been more related to that than the fact of being able to own guns.
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2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
3. I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
