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| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 09:42:38
THERAPY SCHMERAPY
Kitty clones a subdivision of Kitty inc could clone your pet for you!
No need to miss your pet at all, saving literally pounds/dollars (delete as appropriate) on stupid hippy therapy
I've been checking out the competition
https://www.savingsandclone.com/index2.html
and following their basic contract* I have figured I can offer the same service for HALF THE PRICE! yes! half!
For just $16,000 you could have an identical fluffy made for you after fluffys sad passing. I also offer services that savings and clone do not, you want your cat/dog/bunny to glow green** in the dark? no problem!
email Kittyclones-at-ethicsschmethics-dot-com for more information
trust me, i'm a molecular biologist....
* basic contract states that I do not have to make a clone, I do not have to attempt to make a clone, I do not have to promise you a live animal at all, I have to promise to store a cell sample and maybe have a go if I'm not too busy/bored
** GFP glowing animals extra $5,000 for basic green, also offer purple for $10,000
 cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
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| VoVat |
Posted - 03/13/2005 : 12:08:15
quote:
I'm not even convinced they're making proper clones to be honest with you
Nah, they just give you a close enough match from the artificial animals that they grow on trees.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/13/2005 : 10:59:41
Yes they do, Darwin is right, they are hemizygotic, which means they come from the same fertilised egg so ALL of the DNA in ALL of the cells will be the same. Non identical twins are dizygotic (i think the word is) which means two eggs got fertilised, so not the same DNA at all.
This is not to say they will BE the same because of things such as X chromosome inactivation which is a random process making mosaic individuals, and things like gene imprinting I think will affect it as well. So you can be a hemizygotic twin and be quite different in some ways from your twin.
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| darwin |
Posted - 03/13/2005 : 09:46:15
Yes, identical twins have the same DNA. Maybe there are some minor differences that kittie knows about, but identical share the same copies of genes from each parent. |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 03/13/2005 : 03:16:09
my dog has a gimpy front leg, if you cloned her would she have it or the memories of getting hit by the car that caused it?
on a serious side note, do identical twins have the same dna?
 You can go eat a decroded piece of crap! |
| danjersey |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 21:16:24
once your pet has past, have a pro make there inards into strings then play them somthin sweet. |
| darwin |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 21:12:42
They beat wrinkled peas. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 21:08:33
well I'm still awake so the bed time reading of the "chromatin blah blah blah" they have exclusively bought the rights to hasn't convinced me.
amd those are the coolest punnet squares I ever saw
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| darwin |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 21:01:47
So since calico genetics are so unusually complicated and unlikely to produce identical clones, I wonder why the first cat that they did was a calico. They should have known it was going to work worse than usual. (Kitty: I haven't heard anything suggesting that they've fixed the telomere problem)
Everything you ever wanted to know about calico cat genetics (including some cool Punnett squares):
http://schneider.ewald.bei.t-online.de/calico/calicoeng.html
And a book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0387947965/qid=1110689782/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-1031890-3467363?v=glance&s=books |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 18:57:38
aah the explanation for the disimilarity between these two puddy tats is thus:
"the scientific explanation was simple. The color of a calicos coat is determined by genes on its X chromosomes, and in each cell of a calicos body, one of the two X chromosomes is randomly inactivated. In the cell scientists took from Rainbows body to make CC, the orange-coat genes were apparently dormant"
X-chromosome inactivation. I bet the ladies didn't know one of their X chromosomes is inactive, it's ok though, there's only crap in the Y chromosome and a lot of empty space....
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 18:51:02
hehehe, this company is terrible really terrible
I'm not even convinced they're making proper clones to be honest with you, I mean, did anyone read how many aborted, miscarried and malformed lambs it took to make Dolly? and they've now "improved" the technique have they, which is interesting because (and this is a secret) no one has a clue what they are doing in this sort of science oh they have a fair idea, there are standards and "rules" but in a real in vivo system they don't actually really apply.
I wonder if they fixed the premature aging/telomere thing. I need a little bed time reading, I'm going to go check out the website again.
but remember! half the price, $16,000 and I'll have a bash at it! I'll do you a green one!
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| darwin |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 18:38:31
Here's a fluffy newspaper article about the cloned calico cat that isn't very similar to its original self
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2003-01-21-cloned-cats_x.htm |
| ElevatorLady |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 17:08:48
That was a great post kitten, thanks. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 16:47:59
hehe thanks vovat
[mental note] stop geeking out on forum
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| VoVat |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 16:29:33
I'd say that makes sense.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 15:46:00
No, thats not the easter bunny Rita, thas a geneticly modified freak bunny using GFP - green flourescent protein from a jellyfish (although I think they make their own nowadays) the bunny is an albino but under the right light glows green
http://www.ekac.org/gfpbunny.html#gfpbunnyanchor
I did that to a plant once
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 15:32:14
yes and no...
in theory they should be genetically identical, standard thinking says that if the DNA sequence codes the same they should be the same creature physically at least, personality traits are accepted as an environmental "learning" factors rather than inherantly genetic, although certain attributes of personality should also be the same considering the DNA will also code for proteins/hormones etc that effect individual personality, like excess testosterone makes one guy super manly whilst lower testosterone makes another less manly, a lame example but you get the picture...
experiences are often attributed towards personality as well, in that the experience of one person cannot affect the offspring or clones because thats not whats coded in the genes.
however, it is not a simple case of genes and genetics as epigenetic regulation plays a role in what DNA is expressed and why and where and when. So the experience of an individual (ie environmental factors) CAN affect their offspring for generations, there's a couple of prime examples of this in the agouti mice, and an even better example in the food imbargo imposed on Holland near the end of WWII, imposed famine on these people HAVE affected offspring down the generations and those people genetically linked o this time still have underweight babies with an increased propensity for certain disorders.
Everyone has heard of Darwin (not just our Darwin, you know, the other Darwin) but there was another hereditary evolutionist/naturalist/i forget called LAMARCK who got laughed down at the time because he gave stupid examples, but it turns out, thanks to this discovery of epigentic control, that he wasn't as daft as all that. He proposed that environmental changes caused changes in behaviour which in turn led to the increase or decrease of particular structures*
NOW, whilst it may seem I have wondered from the point somewhat, I'm going to tie it up nicely for you now. The clones DNA will be the same. It will have inherited the same epigenetic control from the original animal, and this means many features and personality traits will be the same. They will not be identical as experience is a large part of personality, but underlying traits will be very similar and chances are if they are being bought into the same environment that the original creature was living in they will have many shared experiences. Just because the DNA is the same though, and the epigenetic, there is no telling or predicting mutations and abberations that could have an affect on the animal physicality or mentally.
as you can see it's quite complicated and I have confused myself now.
* if anyone is interested a rather nice and easy-read on lamarkian genetics and epigenetics is this: Leslie A. Pay. Epigenetics: Genomes meet your environment The Scientist July 5 2004
[edit] EPIGENETIC CONTROL.. that which decides what DNA is expressed, fairly new science trend, example of this being that in the genes there is an accepted amount of non coding DNA, and even when DNA codes for something they don't always seem to have a role, there, such as non translated (or do i mean expressed) RNA molecules that hang around as molecules and don't go on to make protein which is normally what happens. These RNA molecules are thought to play a role in controlling methylation of genes, it is this methylation that fundamentally dictates if a gene is on or off, If the control region of a gene has a methyl group stuck on top of it then the proteins that would initiate transcription, the first stage of "reading" DNA can not bind and the gene is switched off...
make sense or am I waffling?
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| n/a |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 15:14:28
Is that the Easter bunny Tre?
If you want something don't ask for nothing
if you want nothing don't ask for something! |
| VoVat |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 15:09:24
I'm not sure. I probably wouldn't understand the answer. Doesn't it come down to nature vs. nurture, or something like that?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 13:10:34
well... this could be a long answer, you sure you want it answered?
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| VoVat |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 13:07:31
Identical DNA doesn't mean the identical animal, does it?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 12:01:31
Hmmm, that guy from that documentary did it without a pet. Admittedly it all went a bit tits up and a lot of people got eaten, but we have the benefit of their mistakes. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 11:54:20
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
I want a Raptor. Can you do that?
do you have a pet one?
no?
didn't think so, we're a PET cloning service
cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| kathryn |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 11:52:47
they can clone a kittie but not the starmekittie!
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 10:06:48
I want a Raptor. Can you do that? |
